Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Namaste Narasimhaji I was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign Chandi Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you Istha Devata. Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for a person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under go serious sadhana of some other deity? Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so does it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so that you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana for Ma Chandi in previous lives? Kindly tell us your views on this. -Regards Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Rajarshiji,A very interesting questioned poised !I just wish to join you in this request to Sri Narasimhaji.Please enlighten us with your views,Sir.amit. --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 wrote:rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 4:44 AMNamaste NarasimhajiI was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign Chandi Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you Istha Devata.Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for a person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under go serious sadhana of some other deity?Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so does it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so that you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana for Ma Chandi in previous lives?Kindly tell us your views on this.-Regards Rajarshi---|| Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Namaste, First of all, our current understanding of arriving at ishta devata from horoscope is not perfect. Secondly, the way ishta devata may work is complex. The role of ishta devata is to give moksha. Moksha is the state of non-distinction between objects of universe. " Supreme cosmic being " (known by various names) is the observer of all with non-distinction and the gate to moksha. Several deities play specific roles in the universe at the lower level and become one with supreme cosmic being at a higher level. Accordingly, one may start praying to a specific form of a deity with a specific role in the universe, later realize a higher form of the deity and then become liberated through that higher form. For this reason, some (especially some gurus at Sri Jagannath Centre) even say that only Vishnu's incarnations can be ishta devatas giving moksha and other deities cannot be. This is partly logical, but based on a misconception. Vishnu here refers to sarva vyaapakeswara (all-pervading lord). If one realizes an all-pervading form of Ganesha or Surya or Lakshmi or Kaali or Shiva or Subrahmanya, then too that form qualifies as ishta devata who enables moksha (liberation). For example, Ganapathi Atharva Seersham describes a supreme cosmic being form of Ganapathi, from whom Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva come. Suryopanishat describes a supreme cosmic being form of Surya, from whom Brahma, Vishn and Shiva come. And so on. One may start with the worship of Ganesha who removes obstacles and finally realize a form of Ganesha that is beyond gunas and from whom Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Surya, Agni, Vaayu etc are born. One may start with the worship of Lakshmi who gives prosperity and money and finally realize a form of Lakshmi who drives the thoughts and actions of all beings. One may start with the worship of Saraswati who gives knowledge and finally realize a form of Saraswati who is the root of all creation. Thus, one starts worshipping one's ishta devata and slowly evolves to worshipping a higher all-pervading form of that deity, who may sometimes seem like a different deity to a casual observer. This is the natural process of evolution. * * * Saptashati rahasya associated with saptashati (Chandipath) describes the process of creation. It says that first there was Mahalakshmi with three gunas. She divided herself into 3 parts - Mahakali with tamas (ichchhaa sakti - the force behind desire), Mahalakshmi with sattwa (jnaana sakti - the force behind knowledge) and Mahasaraswati (kriyaa sakti - the force behind action) with rajas. The 3 parts of Chandipath are devoted to the three. Thus, trigunatmika Mahalakshmi is the root energy driving the desires/thoughts, knowledge/perception and actions of all beings in this universe. In fact, chapter 11 towards the end of Chandipath prays to Devi (divine Mother) after all her exploits and addresses Her in the prayer as " Naaraayani " (energy of Narayana). If one views Naaraayana as supreme cosmic being from whom Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva came, trigunatmika Mahalakshami (or Narayani) is his energy. Thus, the Divine Mother of Chandipath is not really different from Mahalakshmi I have been worshipping for many years. I originally started out worshipping Lakshmi with 4 hands who sita on a lotus and gives money. I later realized that a higher form of the same deity is the energy of Narayana (supreme cosmic being) and She is responsible for the birth, sustenance and destruction of all beings including Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. * * * Whichever deity you are attached to and worship as your ishta devata, please try to imagine that deity as the all-pervading supreme cosmic being from whom the entire creation evolves. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:44 PM Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji > Namaste Narasimhaji > > I was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign Chandi > Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you > Istha Devata. > > Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for a > person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under go > serious sadhana of some other deity? > > Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so does > it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? > > Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so that > you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana for Ma > Chandi in previous lives? > > Kindly tell us your views on this. > > -Regards > Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Dear Rajarshiji,A very interesting questioned poised !I just wish to join you in this request to Sri Narasimhaji.Please enlighten us with your views,Sir.amit. --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 wrote: rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 4:44 AMNamaste NarasimhajiI was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign Chandi Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you Istha Devata.Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for a person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under go serious sadhana of some other deity?Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so does it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so that you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana for Ma Chandi in previous lives?Kindly tell us your views on this.-Regards Rajarshi---|| Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Pranaam Shri Narasimhaji and Rajarshiji, Please forgive me for hijacking this post. I would like to thank you for addressing this question. I have myself noticed how one's worship to one's 'prescribed' Ishta devata is not always straightforward. In one case, the planet (Budh) which represented the Ishta Devata was combust in the native's chart and also the Badhakesh. Not only did the native encounter obstacles in starting worship to Lord MahaVishnu but there were also problems (accidents, problems in workplace) when they started a regular recitation of the VishnuSahasranaam which they have have stopped now because of fear of more bad things happening. They only continue their DurgaMaa/Chandi worship which they have always felt naturally inclined to. What is the significance of this and what can one do when Ishta Devata is also the Badhakesh? Thank you for taking the time to read my post. , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > First of all, our current understanding of arriving at ishta devata from > horoscope is not perfect. > > Secondly, the way ishta devata may work is complex. The role of ishta devata > is to give moksha. Moksha is the state of non-distinction between objects of > universe. " Supreme cosmic being " (known by various names) is the observer of > all with non-distinction and the gate to moksha. Several deities play > specific roles in the universe at the lower level and become one with > supreme cosmic being at a higher level. Accordingly, one may start praying > to a specific form of a deity with a specific role in the universe, later > realize a higher form of the deity and then become liberated through that > higher form. > > For this reason, some (especially some gurus at Sri Jagannath Centre) even > say that only Vishnu's incarnations can be ishta devatas giving moksha and > other deities cannot be. This is partly logical, but based on a > misconception. Vishnu here refers to sarva vyaapakeswara (all-pervading > lord). If one realizes an all-pervading form of Ganesha or Surya or Lakshmi > or Kaali or Shiva or Subrahmanya, then too that form qualifies as ishta > devata who enables moksha (liberation). For example, Ganapathi Atharva > Seersham describes a supreme cosmic being form of Ganapathi, from whom > Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva come. Suryopanishat describes a supreme cosmic > being form of Surya, from whom Brahma, Vishn and Shiva come. And so on. > > One may start with the worship of Ganesha who removes obstacles and finally > realize a form of Ganesha that is beyond gunas and from whom Brahma, Vishnu, > Shiva, Surya, Agni, Vaayu etc are born. One may start with the worship of > Lakshmi who gives prosperity and money and finally realize a form of Lakshmi > who drives the thoughts and actions of all beings. One may start with the > worship of Saraswati who gives knowledge and finally realize a form of > Saraswati who is the root of all creation. > > Thus, one starts worshipping one's ishta devata and slowly evolves to > worshipping a higher all-pervading form of that deity, who may sometimes > seem like a different deity to a casual observer. This is the natural > process of evolution. > > * * * > > Saptashati rahasya associated with saptashati (Chandipath) describes the > process of creation. It says that first there was Mahalakshmi with three > gunas. She divided herself into 3 parts - Mahakali with tamas (ichchhaa > sakti - the force behind desire), Mahalakshmi with sattwa (jnaana sakti - > the force behind knowledge) and Mahasaraswati (kriyaa sakti - the force > behind action) with rajas. The 3 parts of Chandipath are devoted to the > three. > > Thus, trigunatmika Mahalakshmi is the root energy driving the > desires/thoughts, knowledge/perception and actions of all beings in this > universe. > > In fact, chapter 11 towards the end of Chandipath prays to Devi (divine > Mother) after all her exploits and addresses Her in the prayer as > " Naaraayani " (energy of Narayana). If one views Naaraayana as supreme cosmic > being from whom Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva came, trigunatmika Mahalakshami (or > Narayani) is his energy. > > Thus, the Divine Mother of Chandipath is not really different from > Mahalakshmi I have been worshipping for many years. I originally started out > worshipping Lakshmi with 4 hands who sita on a lotus and gives money. I > later realized that a higher form of the same deity is the energy of > Narayana (supreme cosmic being) and She is responsible for the birth, > sustenance and destruction of all beings including Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. > > * * * > > Whichever deity you are attached to and worship as your ishta devata, please > try to imagine that deity as the all-pervading supreme cosmic being from > whom the entire creation evolves. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 > > Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:44 PM > Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji > > > Namaste Narasimhaji > > > > I was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign Chandi > > Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you > > Istha Devata. > > > > Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for a > > person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under go > > serious sadhana of some other deity? > > > > Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so does > > it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? > > > > Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so that > > you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana for Ma > > Chandi in previous lives? > > > > Kindly tell us your views on this. > > > > -Regards > > Rajarshi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Namaste Interesting post, about ista devata and Bhadkesh. How can ista devata be negative? It cannot be the case? Ista devata only helps in bringing out sanchit sankaras of a person, if they are negative, the native goes through some negative experiances. It is always good to experiance them and be over with. Badhakesh can only delay, but that to is in line with the sanchit sanskaras of the native, it does not deny. Best Regards Mitesh , " waspieswaspies " <waspieswaspies wrote: > > Pranaam Shri Narasimhaji and Rajarshiji, > > Please forgive me for hijacking this post. > > I would like to thank you for addressing this question. I have myself > noticed how one's worship to one's 'prescribed' Ishta devata is not > always straightforward. > > In one case, the planet (Budh) which represented the Ishta Devata was > combust in the native's chart and also the Badhakesh. Not only did the > native encounter obstacles in starting worship to Lord MahaVishnu but > there were also problems (accidents, problems in workplace) when they > started a regular recitation of the VishnuSahasranaam which they have > have stopped now because of fear of more bad things happening. They > only continue their DurgaMaa/Chandi worship which they have always > felt naturally inclined to. > > What is the significance of this and what can one do when Ishta Devata > is also the Badhakesh? > > Thank you for taking the time to read my post. > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > First of all, our current understanding of arriving at ishta devata > from > > horoscope is not perfect. > > > > Secondly, the way ishta devata may work is complex. The role of > ishta devata > > is to give moksha. Moksha is the state of non-distinction between > objects of > > universe. " Supreme cosmic being " (known by various names) is the > observer of > > all with non-distinction and the gate to moksha. Several deities play > > specific roles in the universe at the lower level and become one with > > supreme cosmic being at a higher level. Accordingly, one may start > praying > > to a specific form of a deity with a specific role in the universe, > later > > realize a higher form of the deity and then become liberated through > that > > higher form. > > > > For this reason, some (especially some gurus at Sri Jagannath > Centre) even > > say that only Vishnu's incarnations can be ishta devatas giving > moksha and > > other deities cannot be. This is partly logical, but based on a > > misconception. Vishnu here refers to sarva vyaapakeswara (all- pervading > > lord). If one realizes an all-pervading form of Ganesha or Surya or > Lakshmi > > or Kaali or Shiva or Subrahmanya, then too that form qualifies as ishta > > devata who enables moksha (liberation). For example, Ganapathi Atharva > > Seersham describes a supreme cosmic being form of Ganapathi, from whom > > Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva come. Suryopanishat describes a supreme cosmic > > being form of Surya, from whom Brahma, Vishn and Shiva come. And so on. > > > > One may start with the worship of Ganesha who removes obstacles and > finally > > realize a form of Ganesha that is beyond gunas and from whom Brahma, > Vishnu, > > Shiva, Surya, Agni, Vaayu etc are born. One may start with the > worship of > > Lakshmi who gives prosperity and money and finally realize a form of > Lakshmi > > who drives the thoughts and actions of all beings. One may start > with the > > worship of Saraswati who gives knowledge and finally realize a form of > > Saraswati who is the root of all creation. > > > > Thus, one starts worshipping one's ishta devata and slowly evolves to > > worshipping a higher all-pervading form of that deity, who may > sometimes > > seem like a different deity to a casual observer. This is the natural > > process of evolution. > > > > * * * > > > > Saptashati rahasya associated with saptashati (Chandipath) describes > the > > process of creation. It says that first there was Mahalakshmi with > three > > gunas. She divided herself into 3 parts - Mahakali with tamas (ichchhaa > > sakti - the force behind desire), Mahalakshmi with sattwa (jnaana > sakti - > > the force behind knowledge) and Mahasaraswati (kriyaa sakti - the force > > behind action) with rajas. The 3 parts of Chandipath are devoted to the > > three. > > > > Thus, trigunatmika Mahalakshmi is the root energy driving the > > desires/thoughts, knowledge/perception and actions of all beings in > this > > universe. > > > > In fact, chapter 11 towards the end of Chandipath prays to Devi (divine > > Mother) after all her exploits and addresses Her in the prayer as > > " Naaraayani " (energy of Narayana). If one views Naaraayana as > supreme cosmic > > being from whom Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva came, trigunatmika > Mahalakshami (or > > Narayani) is his energy. > > > > Thus, the Divine Mother of Chandipath is not really different from > > Mahalakshmi I have been worshipping for many years. I originally > started out > > worshipping Lakshmi with 4 hands who sita on a lotus and gives money. I > > later realized that a higher form of the same deity is the energy of > > Narayana (supreme cosmic being) and She is responsible for the birth, > > sustenance and destruction of all beings including Brahma, Vishnu > and Shiva. > > > > * * * > > > > Whichever deity you are attached to and worship as your ishta > devata, please > > try to imagine that deity as the all-pervading supreme cosmic being > from > > whom the entire creation evolves. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > - > > " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@> > > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:44 PM > > Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji > > > > > Namaste Narasimhaji > > > > > > I was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign Chandi > > > Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you > > > Istha Devata. > > > > > > Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for a > > > person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under go > > > serious sadhana of some other deity? > > > > > > Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so does > > > it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? > > > > > > Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so that > > > you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana for Ma > > > Chandi in previous lives? > > > > > > Kindly tell us your views on this. > > > > > > -Regards > > > Rajarshi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Miteshji Namaste! Thank you very much for your post. I think I understand what you mean. Thank you for including the key word 'sanchit sanskaras' which was like a light bulb that just lit up for me!! It reminded me of a post from Shri Narasimhaji that I read a while ago about the 'expiation' of one's negative karma. It said something like - if you have a basket of tomatoes and some are rotten at the top, you have to throw away the rotten one's first before you can get to the bottom to the good ones. But I tend to think that the purpose of Jyotish Vidya is Bhagwaan's gift to us in order to alleviate the suffering of others and help them reach Moksha. I think that's why I find it hard to reconcile the concept of Badhakesh and Ishta Devta being one and the same. But then again, the Ishta Devta works in too mysterious ways for my limited mortal mind to understand! :-) Many thanks. , " m540i98 " <m540i98 wrote: > > Namaste > > Interesting post, about ista devata and Bhadkesh. > How can ista devata be negative? It cannot be the case? > > Ista devata only helps in bringing out sanchit sankaras of a person, > if they are negative, the native goes through some negative > experiances. It is always good to experiance them and be over with. > > Badhakesh can only delay, but that to is in line with the sanchit > sanskaras of the native, it does not deny. > > Best Regards > Mitesh > > > > > , " waspieswaspies " > <waspieswaspies@> wrote: > > > > Pranaam Shri Narasimhaji and Rajarshiji, > > > > Please forgive me for hijacking this post. > > > > I would like to thank you for addressing this question. I have > myself > > noticed how one's worship to one's 'prescribed' Ishta devata is not > > always straightforward. > > > > In one case, the planet (Budh) which represented the Ishta Devata > was > > combust in the native's chart and also the Badhakesh. Not only did > the > > native encounter obstacles in starting worship to Lord MahaVishnu > but > > there were also problems (accidents, problems in workplace) when > they > > started a regular recitation of the VishnuSahasranaam which they > have > > have stopped now because of fear of more bad things happening. They > > only continue their DurgaMaa/Chandi worship which they have always > > felt naturally inclined to. > > > > What is the significance of this and what can one do when Ishta > Devata > > is also the Badhakesh? > > > > Thank you for taking the time to read my post. > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > First of all, our current understanding of arriving at ishta > devata > > from > > > horoscope is not perfect. > > > > > > Secondly, the way ishta devata may work is complex. The role of > > ishta devata > > > is to give moksha. Moksha is the state of non-distinction between > > objects of > > > universe. " Supreme cosmic being " (known by various names) is the > > observer of > > > all with non-distinction and the gate to moksha. Several deities > play > > > specific roles in the universe at the lower level and become one > with > > > supreme cosmic being at a higher level. Accordingly, one may start > > praying > > > to a specific form of a deity with a specific role in the > universe, > > later > > > realize a higher form of the deity and then become liberated > through > > that > > > higher form. > > > > > > For this reason, some (especially some gurus at Sri Jagannath > > Centre) even > > > say that only Vishnu's incarnations can be ishta devatas giving > > moksha and > > > other deities cannot be. This is partly logical, but based on a > > > misconception. Vishnu here refers to sarva vyaapakeswara (all- > pervading > > > lord). If one realizes an all-pervading form of Ganesha or Surya > or > > Lakshmi > > > or Kaali or Shiva or Subrahmanya, then too that form qualifies as > ishta > > > devata who enables moksha (liberation). For example, Ganapathi > Atharva > > > Seersham describes a supreme cosmic being form of Ganapathi, from > whom > > > Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva come. Suryopanishat describes a supreme > cosmic > > > being form of Surya, from whom Brahma, Vishn and Shiva come. And > so on. > > > > > > One may start with the worship of Ganesha who removes obstacles > and > > finally > > > realize a form of Ganesha that is beyond gunas and from whom > Brahma, > > Vishnu, > > > Shiva, Surya, Agni, Vaayu etc are born. One may start with the > > worship of > > > Lakshmi who gives prosperity and money and finally realize a form > of > > Lakshmi > > > who drives the thoughts and actions of all beings. One may start > > with the > > > worship of Saraswati who gives knowledge and finally realize a > form of > > > Saraswati who is the root of all creation. > > > > > > Thus, one starts worshipping one's ishta devata and slowly > evolves to > > > worshipping a higher all-pervading form of that deity, who may > > sometimes > > > seem like a different deity to a casual observer. This is the > natural > > > process of evolution. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Saptashati rahasya associated with saptashati (Chandipath) > describes > > the > > > process of creation. It says that first there was Mahalakshmi with > > three > > > gunas. She divided herself into 3 parts - Mahakali with tamas > (ichchhaa > > > sakti - the force behind desire), Mahalakshmi with sattwa (jnaana > > sakti - > > > the force behind knowledge) and Mahasaraswati (kriyaa sakti - the > force > > > behind action) with rajas. The 3 parts of Chandipath are devoted > to the > > > three. > > > > > > Thus, trigunatmika Mahalakshmi is the root energy driving the > > > desires/thoughts, knowledge/perception and actions of all beings > in > > this > > > universe. > > > > > > In fact, chapter 11 towards the end of Chandipath prays to Devi > (divine > > > Mother) after all her exploits and addresses Her in the prayer as > > > " Naaraayani " (energy of Narayana). If one views Naaraayana as > > supreme cosmic > > > being from whom Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva came, trigunatmika > > Mahalakshami (or > > > Narayani) is his energy. > > > > > > Thus, the Divine Mother of Chandipath is not really different > from > > > Mahalakshmi I have been worshipping for many years. I originally > > started out > > > worshipping Lakshmi with 4 hands who sita on a lotus and gives > money. I > > > later realized that a higher form of the same deity is the energy > of > > > Narayana (supreme cosmic being) and She is responsible for the > birth, > > > sustenance and destruction of all beings including Brahma, Vishnu > > and Shiva. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Whichever deity you are attached to and worship as your ishta > > devata, please > > > try to imagine that deity as the all-pervading supreme cosmic > being > > from > > > whom the entire creation evolves. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > Spirituality: > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@> > > > > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:44 PM > > > Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimhaji > > > > > > > > I was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign > Chandi > > > > Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you > > > > Istha Devata. > > > > > > > > Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for > a > > > > person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under > go > > > > serious sadhana of some other deity? > > > > > > > > Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so > does > > > > it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? > > > > > > > > Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so > that > > > > you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana > for Ma > > > > Chandi in previous lives? > > > > > > > > Kindly tell us your views on this. > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Namaste Jyotish Vidya gives an indication of past, present and future,sometimes it is accurate and sometimes it is not accurate. Jyotish Vidya is not an issue, however the native's chart (It is the sanchit sanskars + other things of the native), the astrologer(his mind, his understanding of astrology), and the time of consultation contribute towards to the accuracy and inaccuracy. Also we are so anamoured that sometimes even if good thing happens to us, we feel it is a bad thing, it is our frame of mind at the time. You gave an example of a car accident for a native when he did Vishnu sahastranama, and considered it negative, however more worst things could have also happened, it is that the chanting saved the native to the extent possible. Everything tends to have two sides, depending on our state of mind one side resonates more than other. Now with respect to ista devata, we can deviate little bit here. I have seen two types of sadgurus, one type that always give same mantra to all their disciples as they have realized that mantra and have full confidence in it. There is also other type which give out mantras based on the disciple, some examples are Ramakrishna paramhans and the Guruji of famous astrologer Shri K N Rao. Both types of Sadgurus were very capable to see the past. present and future of their respective disciples. So both these methodolgies are correct. How do we explain/apply here the concept of ista devata and bhadkesh in this case. Further I have read in a book about a disciple of Swami Ramananda( The very realized saint who started ramanandi samparadaya). There used to be one king in Rajasthan, he was a devi upashak, devi used to manifest to him and so he was asked for a boon by devi and he asked for mooksha. The devi indicated to him that she cannot grant it, but he should go to Swami Ramananda and become his disciple and get initiation from him, that will get him Mooksha. Also if you look at disciples of Swami Ramanada, like Ravidas, Kabir, and many others they all had very unique experiances and different types of devotion, Mirabai was a krishna devotee. So we can easily conclude that the ista devata has many forms and it is a concept that applies to many births rather than just one birth. Ista devata to clear up ones sanskars can in one life also take the role of bhadkesh and also a different form. The most important thing is one should respect all forms and pursue a form rigourously to which one is attracted most, rest all will fan out in time, there are no short cuts. From an astrology perspective, there is some confusion too, Ista devata is computed from the 12th house from atmakaraka in D9 chart. However for atmakaraka some people include rahu and some donot. There is 7 karaka scheme or 8 karaka scheme and then there is also karaka replacement. Based on this one can get potentially 3 different atmakarakas and so 3 different ista devatas. So which ista devata to pick? It appears to me that we are not that advanced to relate concepts of astrology and spiritualism perfectly yet. There is still lot of gray area. Hope this helps you to stir some more thoughts in your mind and see things differently. Best Regards Mitesh , " waspieswaspies " <waspieswaspies wrote: > > Miteshji Namaste! > > Thank you very much for your post. > > I think I understand what you mean. Thank you for including the key > word 'sanchit sanskaras' which was like a light bulb that just lit up > for me!! > > It reminded me of a post from Shri Narasimhaji that I read a while ago > about the 'expiation' of one's negative karma. It said something like > - if you have a basket of tomatoes and some are rotten at the top, you > have to throw away the rotten one's first before you can get to the > bottom to the good ones. > > But I tend to think that the purpose of Jyotish Vidya is Bhagwaan's > gift to us in order to alleviate the suffering of others and help them > reach Moksha. I think that's why I find it hard to reconcile the > concept of Badhakesh and Ishta Devta being one and the same. But then > again, the Ishta Devta works in too mysterious ways for my limited > mortal mind to understand! :-) > > Many thanks. > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > Interesting post, about ista devata and Bhadkesh. > > How can ista devata be negative? It cannot be the case? > > > > Ista devata only helps in bringing out sanchit sankaras of a person, > > if they are negative, the native goes through some negative > > experiances. It is always good to experiance them and be over with. > > > > Badhakesh can only delay, but that to is in line with the sanchit > > sanskaras of the native, it does not deny. > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > > > , " waspieswaspies " > > <waspieswaspies@> wrote: > > > > > > Pranaam Shri Narasimhaji and Rajarshiji, > > > > > > Please forgive me for hijacking this post. > > > > > > I would like to thank you for addressing this question. I have > > myself > > > noticed how one's worship to one's 'prescribed' Ishta devata is not > > > always straightforward. > > > > > > In one case, the planet (Budh) which represented the Ishta Devata > > was > > > combust in the native's chart and also the Badhakesh. Not only did > > the > > > native encounter obstacles in starting worship to Lord MahaVishnu > > but > > > there were also problems (accidents, problems in workplace) when > > they > > > started a regular recitation of the VishnuSahasranaam which they > > have > > > have stopped now because of fear of more bad things happening. They > > > only continue their DurgaMaa/Chandi worship which they have always > > > felt naturally inclined to. > > > > > > What is the significance of this and what can one do when Ishta > > Devata > > > is also the Badhakesh? > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to read my post. > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > First of all, our current understanding of arriving at ishta > > devata > > > from > > > > horoscope is not perfect. > > > > > > > > Secondly, the way ishta devata may work is complex. The role of > > > ishta devata > > > > is to give moksha. Moksha is the state of non-distinction between > > > objects of > > > > universe. " Supreme cosmic being " (known by various names) is the > > > observer of > > > > all with non-distinction and the gate to moksha. Several deities > > play > > > > specific roles in the universe at the lower level and become one > > with > > > > supreme cosmic being at a higher level. Accordingly, one may start > > > praying > > > > to a specific form of a deity with a specific role in the > > universe, > > > later > > > > realize a higher form of the deity and then become liberated > > through > > > that > > > > higher form. > > > > > > > > For this reason, some (especially some gurus at Sri Jagannath > > > Centre) even > > > > say that only Vishnu's incarnations can be ishta devatas giving > > > moksha and > > > > other deities cannot be. This is partly logical, but based on a > > > > misconception. Vishnu here refers to sarva vyaapakeswara (all- > > pervading > > > > lord). If one realizes an all-pervading form of Ganesha or Surya > > or > > > Lakshmi > > > > or Kaali or Shiva or Subrahmanya, then too that form qualifies as > > ishta > > > > devata who enables moksha (liberation). For example, Ganapathi > > Atharva > > > > Seersham describes a supreme cosmic being form of Ganapathi, from > > whom > > > > Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva come. Suryopanishat describes a supreme > > cosmic > > > > being form of Surya, from whom Brahma, Vishn and Shiva come. And > > so on. > > > > > > > > One may start with the worship of Ganesha who removes obstacles > > and > > > finally > > > > realize a form of Ganesha that is beyond gunas and from whom > > Brahma, > > > Vishnu, > > > > Shiva, Surya, Agni, Vaayu etc are born. One may start with the > > > worship of > > > > Lakshmi who gives prosperity and money and finally realize a form > > of > > > Lakshmi > > > > who drives the thoughts and actions of all beings. One may start > > > with the > > > > worship of Saraswati who gives knowledge and finally realize a > > form of > > > > Saraswati who is the root of all creation. > > > > > > > > Thus, one starts worshipping one's ishta devata and slowly > > evolves to > > > > worshipping a higher all-pervading form of that deity, who may > > > sometimes > > > > seem like a different deity to a casual observer. This is the > > natural > > > > process of evolution. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Saptashati rahasya associated with saptashati (Chandipath) > > describes > > > the > > > > process of creation. It says that first there was Mahalakshmi with > > > three > > > > gunas. She divided herself into 3 parts - Mahakali with tamas > > (ichchhaa > > > > sakti - the force behind desire), Mahalakshmi with sattwa (jnaana > > > sakti - > > > > the force behind knowledge) and Mahasaraswati (kriyaa sakti - the > > force > > > > behind action) with rajas. The 3 parts of Chandipath are devoted > > to the > > > > three. > > > > > > > > Thus, trigunatmika Mahalakshmi is the root energy driving the > > > > desires/thoughts, knowledge/perception and actions of all beings > > in > > > this > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > In fact, chapter 11 towards the end of Chandipath prays to Devi > > (divine > > > > Mother) after all her exploits and addresses Her in the prayer as > > > > " Naaraayani " (energy of Narayana). If one views Naaraayana as > > > supreme cosmic > > > > being from whom Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva came, trigunatmika > > > Mahalakshami (or > > > > Narayani) is his energy. > > > > > > > > Thus, the Divine Mother of Chandipath is not really different > > from > > > > Mahalakshmi I have been worshipping for many years. I originally > > > started out > > > > worshipping Lakshmi with 4 hands who sita on a lotus and gives > > money. I > > > > later realized that a higher form of the same deity is the energy > > of > > > > Narayana (supreme cosmic being) and She is responsible for the > > birth, > > > > sustenance and destruction of all beings including Brahma, Vishnu > > > and Shiva. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Whichever deity you are attached to and worship as your ishta > > > devata, please > > > > try to imagine that deity as the all-pervading supreme cosmic > > being > > > from > > > > whom the entire creation evolves. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:44 PM > > > > Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimhaji > > > > > > > > > > I was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign > > Chandi > > > > > Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you > > > > > Istha Devata. > > > > > > > > > > Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for > > a > > > > > person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under > > go > > > > > serious sadhana of some other deity? > > > > > > > > > > Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so > > does > > > > > it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? > > > > > > > > > > Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so > > that > > > > > you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana > > for Ma > > > > > Chandi in previous lives? > > > > > > > > > > Kindly tell us your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Miteshji, indeed very good post !Ashwin Rawal--- On Wed, 1/28/09, m540i98 <m540i98 wrote:m540i98 <m540i98 Re: Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 5:12 PM Namaste Jyotish Vidya gives an indication of past, present and future,sometimes it is accurate and sometimes it is not accurate. Jyotish Vidya is not an issue, however the native's chart (It is the sanchit sanskars + other things of the native), the astrologer(his mind, his understanding of astrology), and the time of consultation contribute towards to the accuracy and inaccuracy. Also we are so anamoured that sometimes even if good thing happens to us, we feel it is a bad thing, it is our frame of mind at the time. You gave an example of a car accident for a native when he did Vishnu sahastranama, and considered it negative, however more worst things could have also happened, it is that the chanting saved the native to the extent possible. Everything tends to have two sides, depending on our state of mind one side resonates more than other. Now with respect to ista devata, we can deviate little bit here. I have seen two types of sadgurus, one type that always give same mantra to all their disciples as they have realized that mantra and have full confidence in it. There is also other type which give out mantras based on the disciple, some examples are Ramakrishna paramhans and the Guruji of famous astrologer Shri K N Rao. Both types of Sadgurus were very capable to see the past. present and future of their respective disciples. So both these methodolgies are correct. How do we explain/apply here the concept of ista devata and bhadkesh in this case. Further I have read in a book about a disciple of Swami Ramananda( The very realized saint who started ramanandi samparadaya) . There used to be one king in Rajasthan, he was a devi upashak, devi used to manifest to him and so he was asked for a boon by devi and he asked for mooksha. The devi indicated to him that she cannot grant it, but he should go to Swami Ramananda and become his disciple and get initiation from him, that will get him Mooksha. Also if you look at disciples of Swami Ramanada, like Ravidas, Kabir, and many others they all had very unique experiances and different types of devotion, Mirabai was a krishna devotee. So we can easily conclude that the ista devata has many forms and it is a concept that applies to many births rather than just one birth. Ista devata to clear up ones sanskars can in one life also take the role of bhadkesh and also a different form. The most important thing is one should respect all forms and pursue a form rigourously to which one is attracted most, rest all will fan out in time, there are no short cuts. From an astrology perspective, there is some confusion too, Ista devata is computed from the 12th house from atmakaraka in D9 chart. However for atmakaraka some people include rahu and some donot. There is 7 karaka scheme or 8 karaka scheme and then there is also karaka replacement. Based on this one can get potentially 3 different atmakarakas and so 3 different ista devatas. So which ista devata to pick? It appears to me that we are not that advanced to relate concepts of astrology and spiritualism perfectly yet. There is still lot of gray area. Hope this helps you to stir some more thoughts in your mind and see things differently. Best Regards Mitesh , "waspieswaspies" <waspieswaspies@ ...> wrote: > > Miteshji Namaste! > > Thank you very much for your post. > > I think I understand what you mean. Thank you for including the key > word 'sanchit sanskaras' which was like a light bulb that just lit up > for me!! > > It reminded me of a post from Shri Narasimhaji that I read a while ago > about the 'expiation' of one's negative karma. It said something like > - if you have a basket of tomatoes and some are rotten at the top, you > have to throw away the rotten one's first before you can get to the > bottom to the good ones. > > But I tend to think that the purpose of Jyotish Vidya is Bhagwaan's > gift to us in order to alleviate the suffering of others and help them > reach Moksha. I think that's why I find it hard to reconcile the > concept of Badhakesh and Ishta Devta being one and the same. But then > again, the Ishta Devta works in too mysterious ways for my limited > mortal mind to understand! :-) > > Many thanks. > > , "m540i98" <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > Interesting post, about ista devata and Bhadkesh. > > How can ista devata be negative? It cannot be the case? > > > > Ista devata only helps in bringing out sanchit sankaras of a person, > > if they are negative, the native goes through some negative > > experiances. It is always good to experiance them and be over with. > > > > Badhakesh can only delay, but that to is in line with the sanchit > > sanskaras of the native, it does not deny. > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > > > , "waspieswaspies" > > <waspieswaspies@ > wrote: > > > > > > Pranaam Shri Narasimhaji and Rajarshiji, > > > > > > Please forgive me for hijacking this post. > > > > > > I would like to thank you for addressing this question. I have > > myself > > > noticed how one's worship to one's 'prescribed' Ishta devata is not > > > always straightforward. > > > > > > In one case, the planet (Budh) which represented the Ishta Devata > > was > > > combust in the native's chart and also the Badhakesh. Not only did > > the > > > native encounter obstacles in starting worship to Lord MahaVishnu > > but > > > there were also problems (accidents, problems in workplace) when > > they > > > started a regular recitation of the VishnuSahasranaam which they > > have > > > have stopped now because of fear of more bad things happening. They > > > only continue their DurgaMaa/Chandi worship which they have always > > > felt naturally inclined to. > > > > > > What is the significance of this and what can one do when Ishta > > Devata > > > is also the Badhakesh? > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to read my post. > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > First of all, our current understanding of arriving at ishta > > devata > > > from > > > > horoscope is not perfect. > > > > > > > > Secondly, the way ishta devata may work is complex. The role of > > > ishta devata > > > > is to give moksha. Moksha is the state of non-distinction between > > > objects of > > > > universe. "Supreme cosmic being" (known by various names) is the > > > observer of > > > > all with non-distinction and the gate to moksha. Several deities > > play > > > > specific roles in the universe at the lower level and become one > > with > > > > supreme cosmic being at a higher level. Accordingly, one may start > > > praying > > > > to a specific form of a deity with a specific role in the > > universe, > > > later > > > > realize a higher form of the deity and then become liberated > > through > > > that > > > > higher form. > > > > > > > > For this reason, some (especially some gurus at Sri Jagannath > > > Centre) even > > > > say that only Vishnu's incarnations can be ishta devatas giving > > > moksha and > > > > other deities cannot be. This is partly logical, but based on a > > > > misconception. Vishnu here refers to sarva vyaapakeswara (all- > > pervading > > > > lord). If one realizes an all-pervading form of Ganesha or Surya > > or > > > Lakshmi > > > > or Kaali or Shiva or Subrahmanya, then too that form qualifies as > > ishta > > > > devata who enables moksha (liberation) . For example, Ganapathi > > Atharva > > > > Seersham describes a supreme cosmic being form of Ganapathi, from > > whom > > > > Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva come. Suryopanishat describes a supreme > > cosmic > > > > being form of Surya, from whom Brahma, Vishn and Shiva come. And > > so on. > > > > > > > > One may start with the worship of Ganesha who removes obstacles > > and > > > finally > > > > realize a form of Ganesha that is beyond gunas and from whom > > Brahma, > > > Vishnu, > > > > Shiva, Surya, Agni, Vaayu etc are born. One may start with the > > > worship of > > > > Lakshmi who gives prosperity and money and finally realize a form > > of > > > Lakshmi > > > > who drives the thoughts and actions of all beings. One may start > > > with the > > > > worship of Saraswati who gives knowledge and finally realize a > > form of > > > > Saraswati who is the root of all creation. > > > > > > > > Thus, one starts worshipping one's ishta devata and slowly > > evolves to > > > > worshipping a higher all-pervading form of that deity, who may > > > sometimes > > > > seem like a different deity to a casual observer. This is the > > natural > > > > process of evolution. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Saptashati rahasya associated with saptashati (Chandipath) > > describes > > > the > > > > process of creation. It says that first there was Mahalakshmi with > > > three > > > > gunas. She divided herself into 3 parts - Mahakali with tamas > > (ichchhaa > > > > sakti - the force behind desire), Mahalakshmi with sattwa (jnaana > > > sakti - > > > > the force behind knowledge) and Mahasaraswati (kriyaa sakti - the > > force > > > > behind action) with rajas. The 3 parts of Chandipath are devoted > > to the > > > > three. > > > > > > > > Thus, trigunatmika Mahalakshmi is the root energy driving the > > > > desires/thoughts, knowledge/perceptio n and actions of all beings > > in > > > this > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > In fact, chapter 11 towards the end of Chandipath prays to Devi > > (divine > > > > Mother) after all her exploits and addresses Her in the prayer as > > > > "Naaraayani" (energy of Narayana). If one views Naaraayana as > > > supreme cosmic > > > > being from whom Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva came, trigunatmika > > > Mahalakshami (or > > > > Narayani) is his energy. > > > > > > > > Thus, the Divine Mother of Chandipath is not really different > > from > > > > Mahalakshmi I have been worshipping for many years. I originally > > > started out > > > > worshipping Lakshmi with 4 hands who sita on a lotus and gives > > money. I > > > > later realized that a higher form of the same deity is the energy > > of > > > > Narayana (supreme cosmic being) and She is responsible for the > > birth, > > > > sustenance and destruction of all beings including Brahma, Vishnu > > > and Shiva. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Whichever deity you are attached to and worship as your ishta > > > devata, please > > > > try to imagine that deity as the all-pervading supreme cosmic > > being > > > from > > > > whom the entire creation evolves. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ > > > > > <> > > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:44 PM > > > > Question on Istha devata to Narasimhaji > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimhaji > > > > > > > > > > I was reading up on the old mail about how your started doign > > Chandi > > > > > Homa. You mentioned that you always considered Ma Lakshmi as you > > > > > Istha Devata. > > > > > > > > > > Now what I was wondering about it that, is it possible that for > > a > > > > > person to get closer to his/her Istha, he/she may have to under > > go > > > > > serious sadhana of some other deity? > > > > > > > > > > Like in your case you have done so many homas for Ma Chandi, so > > does > > > > > it mean Ma Chandi is your Istha devata? > > > > > > > > > > Or does it mean Ma Lakshmi wanted you to do these sadhanas so > > that > > > > > you can progress faster, maybe you had done a lot of sadhana > > for Ma > > > > > Chandi in previous lives? > > > > > > > > > > Kindly tell us your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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