Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's statement about being reborn

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa once stated

that he

would be reborn in 100 or 150 years time, can anyone kindly verify whether that

statement

is indeed true; and if so kindly provide a reference to the text that has that

quote? I also

recall reading that he mentioned that his disciples would again gather with him

this time

around as well; so any references to that would be appreciated as well.

Best.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

Please go to the article by clicking the below link. It mainly talks

about Thakur's Reincarnation in North-west direction and about 100

years.

 

http://www.vedantauk.com/magazine_articles_Sept06.htm#If%

20Ramakrishna%20Were%20Alive%20Today%20(continued)%20Swami%

20Chetanananda

 

Following are the excerpts from the Same Article.

 

Best Regards

 

Utpal

 

!....!.....!

On 26 November 1935, Swami Vijnanananda said to the devotees in

Barisal (which is now in Bangladesh): " This time the Master came

secretly. He will come again after one hundred years in the

northwest direction. "

A Devotee: " Did the Master say that he would be born in the Punjab? "

Vijnanananda: " No, the Master did not say that he would be born in

the Punjab. "

Swami Abhedananda recalled: " One evening Sri Ramakrishna was

attended by his faithful attendants Shashi [Ramakrishnananda] and

Kali [Abhedananda], who were waiting upon him at Cossipore. The

Master inspired them by saying: 'My Divine Mother has shown me that

the photograph of this body will be kept upon altars and be

worshipped in different houses as the pictures of other avatars are

worshipped. My Divine Mother has also shown me that I shall have to

come back again and that my next incarnation will be in the West.' "

 

!....!....!

On different occasions the Holy Mother made various statements about

the Master's return. Once she recalled: " The Master said he would

come again after a hundred years. Meanwhile, for those hundred years

he would live in the hearts of those who love him. Standing on the

semicircular veranda of Dakshineswar, the Master said this, pointing

towards the northwest. I told him I could not come again. Lakshmi

also said she would not come again, even if she were chopped into

shreds like tobacco leaves! The Master laughed and said: 'How can

you avoid coming? Our roots are twined together like the kalmi

plant. Pull one stem and the whole clump comes forward.' "

The Holy Mother also stated: " The Master said that he would dwell in

the hearts of his devotees for a hundred years in his subtle body.

He further said that he would have many devotees among the white

people. "

Swami Saradananda wrote on this subject in Sri Ramakrishna and His

Divine Play: " The Master not only knew this about himself through

his yogic insight, but he also told us many times, pointing to the

northwest, that the next time he would reincarnate there. Some of us

(Girish Chandra Ghosh and others) said that the Master even told

them the time of his advent, stating: 'I shall have to be born in

that direction after two hundred years. Then many will be liberated,

and those who fail at that time will have to wait a long time for

liberation.' "

!....!....!

Ramakrishna's niece Lakshmi said: " The Master said, 'I shall come

back after 100 years.' I can't definitely say whether that year

should be counted from his birth, or death, or on the day when he

said it. "

!....!....!

 

 

, " Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

> I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Shri Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa once stated that he

> would be reborn in 100 or 150 years time, can anyone kindly verify

whether that statement

> is indeed true; and if so kindly provide a reference to the text

that has that quote? I also

> recall reading that he mentioned that his disciples would again

gather with him this time

> around as well; so any references to that would be appreciated as

well.

> Best.

>

[Guest guest]

namaste,

 

After going to below link, please go to following artcile.

 

4. If Ramakrishna Were Alive Today (continued) - Swami Chetanananda

 

regards,

 

utpal

 

 

, " utpal pathak "

<vedic_pathak wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Please go to the article by clicking the below link. It mainly

talks

> about Thakur's Reincarnation in North-west direction and about 100

> years.

>

> http://www.vedantauk.com/magazine_articles_Sept06.htm#If%

> 20Ramakrishna%20Were%20Alive%20Today%20(continued)%20Swami%

> 20Chetanananda

>

> Following are the excerpts from the Same Article.

>

> Best Regards

>

> Utpal

>

> !....!.....!

> On 26 November 1935, Swami Vijnanananda said to the devotees in

> Barisal (which is now in Bangladesh): " This time the Master came

> secretly. He will come again after one hundred years in the

> northwest direction. "

> A Devotee: " Did the Master say that he would be born in the

Punjab? "

> Vijnanananda: " No, the Master did not say that he would be born in

> the Punjab. "

> Swami Abhedananda recalled: " One evening Sri Ramakrishna was

> attended by his faithful attendants Shashi [Ramakrishnananda] and

> Kali [Abhedananda], who were waiting upon him at Cossipore. The

> Master inspired them by saying: 'My Divine Mother has shown me

that

> the photograph of this body will be kept upon altars and be

> worshipped in different houses as the pictures of other avatars

are

> worshipped. My Divine Mother has also shown me that I shall have

to

> come back again and that my next incarnation will be in the

West.' "

>

> !....!....!

> On different occasions the Holy Mother made various statements

about

> the Master's return. Once she recalled: " The Master said he would

> come again after a hundred years. Meanwhile, for those hundred

years

> he would live in the hearts of those who love him. Standing on the

> semicircular veranda of Dakshineswar, the Master said this,

pointing

> towards the northwest. I told him I could not come again. Lakshmi

> also said she would not come again, even if she were chopped into

> shreds like tobacco leaves! The Master laughed and said: 'How can

> you avoid coming? Our roots are twined together like the kalmi

> plant. Pull one stem and the whole clump comes forward.' "

> The Holy Mother also stated: " The Master said that he would dwell

in

> the hearts of his devotees for a hundred years in his subtle body.

> He further said that he would have many devotees among the white

> people. "

> Swami Saradananda wrote on this subject in Sri Ramakrishna and His

> Divine Play: " The Master not only knew this about himself through

> his yogic insight, but he also told us many times, pointing to the

> northwest, that the next time he would reincarnate there. Some of

us

> (Girish Chandra Ghosh and others) said that the Master even told

> them the time of his advent, stating: 'I shall have to be born in

> that direction after two hundred years. Then many will be

liberated,

> and those who fail at that time will have to wait a long time for

> liberation.' "

> !....!....!

> Ramakrishna's niece Lakshmi said: " The Master said, 'I shall come

> back after 100 years.' I can't definitely say whether that year

> should be counted from his birth, or death, or on the day when he

> said it. "

> !....!....!

>

>

> , " Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> > I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Shri Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa once stated that he

> > would be reborn in 100 or 150 years time, can anyone kindly

verify

> whether that statement

> > is indeed true; and if so kindly provide a reference to the text

> that has that quote? I also

> > recall reading that he mentioned that his disciples would again

> gather with him this time

> > around as well; so any references to that would be appreciated

as

> well.

> > Best.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

i found another link, wherein Thakur's reincarnation is touched upon

briefly by a questioner.

http://www.ramakrishnamath.in/pages/q_and_a/9.html

 

 

Question: Thank you for your valuable reply. I have another doubt

sir and I hope you can clear it. I have been reading the book-They

lived with God by Swami Chetanananda. In that book in the chapter

related to Sri Ramakrishna's niece (Lakshmi) if I am not mistaken he

says that he will be born again after 100 years and the Holy Mother

and his neice will be born along with him. As 100 years are already

finish is it possible that Sri Ramakrishna is already living

somewhere in some other incarnation. Ho do we recognize or identify

him? My other doubt is has anyone living at present experienced

Nirvikalpa Samadhi? How does it feel when we are in that state?

Hoping to receive your reply

 

Answer: Your observation in the book " They lived with God " is

correct. It is only those who are of the level of an incarnation can

recognize another incarnation, unless one reveals himself. In the

modern days there is no depth of fake god-men which makes it all the

more difficult to recognize. I feel if we have true devotion to the

incarnation of the God as Sri Ramakrishna is sufficient for our

spiritual progress, instead of our trying to judge an incarnation

person.

Since you have come across this statement in the book of Swami

Chetananandaji, if you desire you can send your question to him. His

e-mail address is: vedantastl.

 

Spiritually yours,

 

Utpal

 

 

 

, " utpal pathak "

<vedic_pathak wrote:

>

> namaste,

>

> After going to below link, please go to following artcile.

>

> 4. If Ramakrishna Were Alive Today (continued) - Swami

Chetanananda

>

> regards,

>

> utpal

>

>

> , " utpal pathak "

> <vedic_pathak@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Please go to the article by clicking the below link. It mainly

> talks

> > about Thakur's Reincarnation in North-west direction and about

100

> > years.

> >

> > http://www.vedantauk.com/magazine_articles_Sept06.htm#If%

> > 20Ramakrishna%20Were%20Alive%20Today%20(continued)%20Swami%

> > 20Chetanananda

> >

> > Following are the excerpts from the Same Article.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> > Utpal

> >

> > !....!.....!

> > On 26 November 1935, Swami Vijnanananda said to the devotees in

> > Barisal (which is now in Bangladesh): " This time the Master came

> > secretly. He will come again after one hundred years in the

> > northwest direction. "

> > A Devotee: " Did the Master say that he would be born in the

> Punjab? "

> > Vijnanananda: " No, the Master did not say that he would be born

in

> > the Punjab. "

> > Swami Abhedananda recalled: " One evening Sri Ramakrishna was

> > attended by his faithful attendants Shashi [Ramakrishnananda]

and

> > Kali [Abhedananda], who were waiting upon him at Cossipore. The

> > Master inspired them by saying: 'My Divine Mother has shown me

> that

> > the photograph of this body will be kept upon altars and be

> > worshipped in different houses as the pictures of other avatars

> are

> > worshipped. My Divine Mother has also shown me that I shall have

> to

> > come back again and that my next incarnation will be in the

> West.' "

> >

> > !....!....!

> > On different occasions the Holy Mother made various statements

> about

> > the Master's return. Once she recalled: " The Master said he

would

> > come again after a hundred years. Meanwhile, for those hundred

> years

> > he would live in the hearts of those who love him. Standing on

the

> > semicircular veranda of Dakshineswar, the Master said this,

> pointing

> > towards the northwest. I told him I could not come again.

Lakshmi

> > also said she would not come again, even if she were chopped

into

> > shreds like tobacco leaves! The Master laughed and said: 'How

can

> > you avoid coming? Our roots are twined together like the kalmi

> > plant. Pull one stem and the whole clump comes forward.' "

> > The Holy Mother also stated: " The Master said that he would

dwell

> in

> > the hearts of his devotees for a hundred years in his subtle

body.

> > He further said that he would have many devotees among the white

> > people. "

> > Swami Saradananda wrote on this subject in Sri Ramakrishna and

His

> > Divine Play: " The Master not only knew this about himself

through

> > his yogic insight, but he also told us many times, pointing to

the

> > northwest, that the next time he would reincarnate there. Some

of

> us

> > (Girish Chandra Ghosh and others) said that the Master even told

> > them the time of his advent, stating: 'I shall have to be born

in

> > that direction after two hundred years. Then many will be

> liberated,

> > and those who fail at that time will have to wait a long time

for

> > liberation.' "

> > !....!....!

> > Ramakrishna's niece Lakshmi said: " The Master said, 'I shall

come

> > back after 100 years.' I can't definitely say whether that year

> > should be counted from his birth, or death, or on the day when

he

> > said it. "

> > !....!....!

> >

> >

> > , " Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > > I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Shri Ramakrishna

> > Paramahamsa once stated that he

> > > would be reborn in 100 or 150 years time, can anyone kindly

> verify

> > whether that statement

> > > is indeed true; and if so kindly provide a reference to the

text

> > that has that quote? I also

> > > recall reading that he mentioned that his disciples would

again

> > gather with him this time

> > > around as well; so any references to that would be appreciated

> as

> > well.

> > > Best.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Please check " Ramakrishna as we saw him " by Swami Chetanananda. Several people

who knew Ramakishna well reminisced about their encounters with him and Swami

Chetanananda chronicled those in that book.

 

Read the chapter on Sarada Devi. In that chapter, Sarada Mata remembers

Ramakrishna. One of the accounts mentions the rebirth prediction.

 

Ramakrishna told Sarada Mata pointing at the northwest that he would be back

after 100 years. Sarada Mata told him she would not come back. His niece Lakshmi

Devi also said she definitely did not want to come back. Ramakrishna then

laughed and said " how can you people not come back? Our karmas are intertwined.

Just as the whole kalmi plant on the water surface of a pond comes off when you

pull ONE stem, all of you WILL have to come back when I come back. "

 

Thus, not only did Ramakrishna pedict that he would come back after about 100

years, but he also predicted that key people around him would be back. It is

possible that Sarada Mata, his sishyas, Mathur, Ramkumar, Rani Rasmani, Girish

etc all will/have come back.

 

* * *

 

Utpal asked how to identify him. Well, you cannot. And you need not!

 

Take another example. Narasimha, Rama and Krishna are incarnations of the same

being (Vishnu). But each is unique and not replacable by another. Similarly,

Ramakrishna is unique. Those who like him will get knowledge and spiritual

progress through him. The reborn version may again be unique and have a new lila

- a new play. Those who like him may get knowledge and spiritual progress

through him.

 

Bottomline is this Utpal: Those who find Ramakrishna useful need not find his

reborn version useful. Also, to those who find his reborn version to be useful,

it may not matter that he is the rebirth of Ramakrishna. Those who are attached

to Lord Narasimha may not be attracted to Lord Rama. And, to those who worship

Lord Rama, it may not matter that he is the rebirth of Lord Narasimha.

 

* * *

 

There are different classes of beings. While some beings merge in Brahman and do

not come back, some beings are ever-free and yet engage in the game from time to

time. Gods like Vishnu, Shiva etc and rishis are free and yet participate in the

game of duality from time to time. Though they are free, they do not merge back

in Brahman for a long time. Such beings keep taking birth on earth from time to

time. I believe that Ramakrishna, Sarada Mata, Vivekananda, Brahmananda etc are

such beings.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

---- Dinesh Nambisan <dinesh wrote:

> Namaste,

> I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa once

stated that he

> would be reborn in 100 or 150 years time, can anyone kindly verify whether

that statement

> is indeed true; and if so kindly provide a reference to the text that has that

quote? I also

> recall reading that he mentioned that his disciples would again gather with

him this time

> around as well; so any references to that would be appreciated as well.

> Best.

[Guest guest]

Narasimha Garu,

 

>Utpal asked how to identify him. Well, you cannot. And you need not!

 

I didn't ask that actually . I just gave the excerpts from the

Article, which is in terms of question & answer. The question was

asked by somebody and the reply was given by some monk from

Ramkrsihna Mission.

 

Anyways, your misunderstanding was also good, which would have

cleared some more doubts of some on the list

 

Yours,

 

Utpal

 

 

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Please check " Ramakrishna as we saw him " by Swami Chetanananda.

Several people who knew Ramakishna well reminisced about their

encounters with him and Swami Chetanananda chronicled those in that

book.

>

> Read the chapter on Sarada Devi. In that chapter, Sarada Mata

remembers Ramakrishna. One of the accounts mentions the rebirth

prediction.

>

> Ramakrishna told Sarada Mata pointing at the northwest that he

would be back after 100 years. Sarada Mata told him she would not

come back. His niece Lakshmi Devi also said she definitely did not

want to come back. Ramakrishna then laughed and said " how can you

people not come back? Our karmas are intertwined. Just as the whole

kalmi plant on the water surface of a pond comes off when you pull

ONE stem, all of you WILL have to come back when I come back. "

>

> Thus, not only did Ramakrishna pedict that he would come back

after about 100 years, but he also predicted that key people around

him would be back. It is possible that Sarada Mata, his sishyas,

Mathur, Ramkumar, Rani Rasmani, Girish etc all will/have come back.

>

> * * *

>

> Utpal asked how to identify him. Well, you cannot. And you need

not!

>

> Take another example. Narasimha, Rama and Krishna are incarnations

of the same being (Vishnu). But each is unique and not replacable by

another. Similarly, Ramakrishna is unique. Those who like him will

get knowledge and spiritual progress through him. The reborn version

may again be unique and have a new lila - a new play. Those who like

him may get knowledge and spiritual progress through him.

>

> Bottomline is this Utpal: Those who find Ramakrishna useful need

not find his reborn version useful. Also, to those who find his

reborn version to be useful, it may not matter that he is the

rebirth of Ramakrishna. Those who are attached to Lord Narasimha may

not be attracted to Lord Rama. And, to those who worship Lord Rama,

it may not matter that he is the rebirth of Lord Narasimha.

>

> * * *

>

> There are different classes of beings. While some beings merge in

Brahman and do not come back, some beings are ever-free and yet

engage in the game from time to time. Gods like Vishnu, Shiva etc

and rishis are free and yet participate in the game of duality from

time to time. Though they are free, they do not merge back in

Brahman for a long time. Such beings keep taking birth on earth from

time to time. I believe that Ramakrishna, Sarada Mata, Vivekananda,

Brahmananda etc are such beings.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> ---- Dinesh Nambisan <dinesh wrote:

> > Namaste,

> > I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Shri Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa once stated that he

> > would be reborn in 100 or 150 years time, can anyone kindly

verify whether that statement

> > is indeed true; and if so kindly provide a reference to the text

that has that quote? I also

> > recall reading that he mentioned that his disciples would again

gather with him this time

> > around as well; so any references to that would be appreciated

as well.

> > Best.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Utpal,

 

I misunderstood the mail in which you simply shared a quote. I realized it

after sending the mail below.

 

BTW, the fact that Ramakrishna mentioned this to Sarada Mata and Lakshmi and

the fact that Sarada Mata thought it fit to recount this to others means

that there is some purpose behind this revelation.

 

In any case, if those people indeed come back to earth to take part in

another play, it should be good for sanatana dharma.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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-

> Narasimha Garu,

>

>>Utpal asked how to identify him. Well, you cannot. And you need not!

>

> I didn't ask that actually . I just gave the excerpts from the

> Article, which is in terms of question & answer. The question was

> asked by somebody and the reply was given by some monk from

> Ramkrsihna Mission.

>

> Anyways, your misunderstanding was also good, which would have

> cleared some more doubts of some on the list

>

> Yours,

>

> Utpal

>

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

> wrote:

>>

>> Namaste,

>>

>> Please check " Ramakrishna as we saw him " by Swami Chetanananda.

> Several people who knew Ramakishna well reminisced about their

> encounters with him and Swami Chetanananda chronicled those in that

> book.

>>

>> Read the chapter on Sarada Devi. In that chapter, Sarada Mata

> remembers Ramakrishna. One of the accounts mentions the rebirth

> prediction.

>>

>> Ramakrishna told Sarada Mata pointing at the northwest that he

> would be back after 100 years. Sarada Mata told him she would not

> come back. His niece Lakshmi Devi also said she definitely did not

> want to come back. Ramakrishna then laughed and said " how can you

> people not come back? Our karmas are intertwined. Just as the whole

> kalmi plant on the water surface of a pond comes off when you pull

> ONE stem, all of you WILL have to come back when I come back. "

>>

>> Thus, not only did Ramakrishna pedict that he would come back

> after about 100 years, but he also predicted that key people around

> him would be back. It is possible that Sarada Mata, his sishyas,

> Mathur, Ramkumar, Rani Rasmani, Girish etc all will/have come back.

>>

>> * * *

>>

>> Utpal asked how to identify him. Well, you cannot. And you need

> not!

>>

>> Take another example. Narasimha, Rama and Krishna are incarnations

> of the same being (Vishnu). But each is unique and not replacable by

> another. Similarly, Ramakrishna is unique. Those who like him will

> get knowledge and spiritual progress through him. The reborn version

> may again be unique and have a new lila - a new play. Those who like

> him may get knowledge and spiritual progress through him.

>>

>> Bottomline is this Utpal: Those who find Ramakrishna useful need

> not find his reborn version useful. Also, to those who find his

> reborn version to be useful, it may not matter that he is the

> rebirth of Ramakrishna. Those who are attached to Lord Narasimha may

> not be attracted to Lord Rama. And, to those who worship Lord Rama,

> it may not matter that he is the rebirth of Lord Narasimha.

>>

>> * * *

>>

>> There are different classes of beings. While some beings merge in

> Brahman and do not come back, some beings are ever-free and yet

> engage in the game from time to time. Gods like Vishnu, Shiva etc

> and rishis are free and yet participate in the game of duality from

> time to time. Though they are free, they do not merge back in

> Brahman for a long time. Such beings keep taking birth on earth from

> time to time. I believe that Ramakrishna, Sarada Mata, Vivekananda,

> Brahmananda etc are such beings.

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Narasimha

>>

>> ---- Dinesh Nambisan <dinesh wrote:

>> > Namaste,

>> > I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Shri Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa once stated that he

>> > would be reborn in 100 or 150 years time, can anyone kindly

> verify whether that statement

>> > is indeed true; and if so kindly provide a reference to the text

> that has that quote? I also

>> > recall reading that he mentioned that his disciples would again

> gather with him this time

>> > around as well; so any references to that would be appreciated

> as well.

>> > Best.