Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Namaste, > Have patience ! Narasimha is one of the right persons capable of > guiding you. If you are sincere, you'll be helped. although, i write > much now a days, i am just like anybody else, struggeling !!! I am a beggar like others. But I try to help other beggars by showing the houses where they can try their luck by begging. Normally, one beggar may view another beggar as a competitor and not like too many people to beg in the same area. However, this begging is different and there is no competition between different beggars. The owner of the house has enough to give to every beggar and does not mind giving to many beggars at the same time if they are worthy. Actually, if one beggar gets something, it will be so much that he/she can share some of it with all around him/her. If you go with 100 other beggars and beg, you are better off. If any one of them is able to melt the heart of the owner of the house, all the hundred will benefit from it to varying degrees! When I tell people about external practices such as homam and internal practices such as surrender and detachment in actions, all I am really doing is to take fellow beggars in front of a house where a rich person lives. If they are able to melt the heart of the owner of the house, their begging will be fruitful. That is completely in *their* hands. I am only a beggar who can show a place where other beggars can beg and I am not really " capable " of anything more. Please do not treat me in any other way. When Swami Brahmananda, the spiritual son of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, and Thakur himself saw themselves as beggars in front of the Mother, mama kim kathaa (what is my story). * * * In general, to those who are struggling with internal conflicts related to spiritual progress and getting frustrated, I have a few words. Rome is not built in a day. Forget Rome, even a small protocol of Rome is not built in a day! Be patient. I have seen people change from inside out in a short span of time. There is no need to panic or give up hope. * * * Be patient. Read scriptures. Read the words of saints and yogis such as Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Sankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Sai Baba, Kabir, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mahavira, Jnaneshwar etc. Try to understand what they are saying. Try to integrate some of it into your common sense, your way of thinking and your life style. Realize that the goal of spiritual practices is inner transformation. The archives of this also have some inspired writings. Nobody can change you. You yourself can do it. You CAN do it, if you really want to. Introspect and go to the root of your problems. If you introspect and analyze each big problem, you will realize that ego is the root of it all. Whenever something in life seems fundamentally important, question why. I am not saying to leave it. Do what you normally do. But, atleast analyze why it is important and try to understand your inner motives. Scuh introspection will eventually lighten the clouds of fear, expectation, attachment and pride that often color one's attitude. Introspect on your attitude and motives and contemplate on the nature of god. Meditate. In this age, there is nothing like a total surrender to the Lord. Of course, saying " I surrender to you. So give me x or y " is NOT total surrender. Total surrender means you take whatever the Lord gives without questions and expectations. If you can manage it, you are all set! * * * Homam or worship of deities in fire is a powerful practice taught by rishis. I know from experience that it burns blocking karmas and enables the inner transformation. It is a very useful spiritual practice. I know people who made (and are making) considerable spiritual progress through regular practice of homam. It is the most powerful method I know of and teaching it is one of my tasks for this life. Dear Rajesh, try to make some time in your daily schedule and start doing Mahaganapathi homam everyday. After a few months, you should switch to Vishnu sahasra naama homam (I will put it up on my website by then). THAT should help you find your way in your spiritual life and strike the right balance between spiritual life and material life. The purpose of material life on this earth is to perform actions to pay back debts without incurring new debts, so that spiritual progress becomes smoother. Without paying certain debts, spiritual life cannot become smooth. However, without some spiritual progress, actions in material life create new debts. In the beginning, one needs to create a synergy between the two and use the actions in material life to promote spiritual life. For true spiritual progress, most people cannot and should not run away from material life. Vasishtha said in the very beginning of Yoga Vaasishtham that action and knowledge are two wings with which the bird of manifested Self flies and becomes liberated. Action without correct knowledge creates pride, promote ego and binds one further instead of liberating. Knowledge without action does not become complete because of the remaining debts and one is stuck. One needs to have true knowledge and perform actions, to become free. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:29 AM Re: Regarding Brahamcharya Dear Raju, Have patience ! Narasimha is one of the right persons capable of guiding you. If you are sincere, you'll be helped. although, i write much now a days, i am just like anybody else, struggeling !!! Warm Regards, Utpal , " rajesh_rajgor2003 " <rajesh_rajgor2003 wrote: > > > Dear Utpalbhai, > > Namaskaar.. kem chhe tu? yaar taro reply vanchine em thayu ke hun > ghano vamno chhun.. taru gnan ane tari sadhna ghani chhe ne tari > saame maru koi gaju nathi.. sachu kahu to mein taro reply be ke tran > vaar vanchyo ane jetli vaar vanchyo mane ema navu navu samjaayu.. ane > sachu kahu to ghani evi vaat hati je samjayi pan nahin.. pan etli > vaat to chhokkas chhe ke you are great.. i salute you...and i am > proud that you are my friend.. > > Please help me in changing myself.. i want to have control > overmyself.. which you know i donot have .. i have requested > narsimhaji also to help me pursuing this life.. > > i want to come out of this.. but my desire to transform myself is not > strong.. i know it.. so many factors are making it weak.. i am sure > you would have understood what are they? but i will come out of > this.. i will have to come out of this.. i need your help for this.. > > Thanks for your efforts to write to me such loooong reply.. > > rajesh > > , " utpal pathak " > <vedic_pathak@> wrote: > > > > Rajgor Bhai, > > > > Kem Chho? > > > > > 1. Supressing desire cannot be termed as a brahmacharya..right? > > > > The connection between'Desire & Supression' needs to be understood > > properly, once and for ever so as to understand Control & > > Annihilation/overcome/rising above > > > > Let us take a practical case of day to day life of a common person. > > Take an Individual 'Z' has a desire for copulation with his wife. > He > > *Satisfies* his desire one day and becomes very satsfied with it. > > now THAT perticular desire seems to be gone. few days passes on and > > mr. Z finds that the same Desire has Risen again, he again satsfies > > the same with the same action. these cycle keeps going on & on for > > many years. Mr. Z feels like most in the world that this desire to > > have sexual relationship is 'Natural'. > > > > Now let's analysie the above case. Though mr.Z satsfies the want of > > copulation, it comes back again & again. it means that the desire > > has never been satsfied even by giving it FOOD Again & again. > > *** > > Our spiritual giants equvivocally say that The Energy which is lost > > during copulation is the BEST Energy available in a person which if > > restrained, controlled and preserved, can easly become OJAS and can > > help immensly in the path of Spiritual journey. > > *** > > consider that our Mr. Z some how got to read the above paragraph > and > > started seriously thinking about it. He tells himself that he would > > refrain from intercourse for 3 months. The earlier frequency was > 2/3 > > days, now he suddenly finds that desire has completely overtaken > > him. after 15 days, he finds that Desire has gone in to his every > > pour and every thought and he gives up and succumbs to that > gigantic > > force of Kaam Vaasana. This may be called suppression initially > > which failed the effort. The person again analyses what went wrong > > and again tries to do the same and again fails. he keeps on trying > > and keeps on failing. during this battles, he is also exploring and > > gathering knowledge of experienced people and knowledge from > > spiritual books. he understands that if he needs to win the Final > > WAR with this Very Formidable enemy, he needs to do lot of things > > simultaneously and he then resorts to the help from many quarters. > > He starts taking cold water bath, starts reading spiritual books, > > stops reading film magazine, stops watching Films and TV Shows, > > Reduces eating Onion and garlic, starts doing Yoga Aasan, > Meditation > > and so on and so forth. taking the aids thus he keeps on batteling > > with the *Natural Desire* and still keeps on loosing. but the good > > news is that his days of batteling before loosing has increased. > > started from 10 days, he has now reached the struggeling capacity > of > > 90 days. (WE ARE ASSUMING HERE THAT HIS WIFE IS FULLY COOPERATIVE > OF > > HIS THEATRICS). He is still unhappy about his loosing, although he > > is able to keep-up the Physical brahmacharya for 3 months. some how > > he realises that God's grace is the most important thing especially > > for this perticular matter and he now starts Praying to his > > favourite Deity every day. he cries and cries and requests the God > > to save him from this loss. he keeps on trying every thing > possible, > > keeps on praying sincerely and severly, keeps on doing various > > spiritual sadhanas but still keeps on loosing at as well. over a > > period of some 8/10 years, the desired change is visible. he has > > conquered his desire. Now Sexual Desire which was his *Natural* for > > him has been replaced by Brahmacharya. > > > > 'Supression' when combined with Thoughtful Suspension, equipped > with > > every possible preparation and will power to try untiringly again & > > again finally results in to annihilation. > > > > *** > > > 2. To control desire is also not brahmacharya? > > > > If a person who has gained perfect self control but indulges in to > > the act of copulation only because to satisfy the desire of spouse > > or to have children, in my opinion, still maintains Brahmacharya. > > actually brahmacharya is a Nature, It can not be done but it Dawns. > > > > *** > > > > in the same case, if the wife of Mr.Z is demanding then Z would > have > > fight the one more big battle of either convincing Wife by > > explainging her, slowly moulding her nature and at the same time > > surrendering to the Lord. i mean praying lord to change her wife's > > nature so that she also starts thinking in the same line. as Nalini > > Bahen has said, accepting everything as Mother's wishes. > Brahmachrya > > or No Brahmacharya. > > > > *** > > friends, please forgive me. i think it was too much...but still i > > couldn't write many things going across my mind. > > > > yours, > > > > utpal > > > > , rajesh rajgor > > <rajesh_rajgor2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I have read the contents of utpal.. that had raised few questions > > in to my mind.. i would be happy if utpal can answer me.. > > > > > > 1. Supressing desire cannot be termed as a brahmacharya..right? > > > 2. To control desire is also not brahmacharya? > > > > > > In our vedic books also, it is specifically mentioned that DHANYO > > GRUHASTHASHARAM. Lord rama was also married and had kids..still he > > was called Maryada purushottam...Lord Krishna has 8 patranis and > > 16000 gopia.. well does it mean that Lord krishna had physical > > relationship with all of them.. or he had not? that is all together > > different issue..But lord krishna was shringar priya and it > > seems that he had enjoyed physical realtionship.. (???) still he > > was called brahmachari.. how? i am bit confused.. > > > > > > I personally feel that to have sexual desire and not fulfilling > > it, cannot be termed as brahmacharya.. it is like cheating > > yourself.. and if you are married and if you donot fulfill desire > of > > your spouse is also not good.. Please advise. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Rajesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@> wrote: > > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@> > > > Re: Regarding Brahamcharya > > > > > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 2:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me put some thoughts and i'll continue writng as it keeps on > > > > > > occuring to me... > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Thakur's marraige was never a marriage in physical sense > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) The author of 'Autobiography of a Yogi', Paramhamsa Yogananda > > has > > > > > > mentioned in the same book that his parents lived like a Husband > & > > > > > > wife only once a year to biget child. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) I've read some where that our ancient Rishis though married, > > > > > > lived extremely restarined married life and that too only to > beget > > > > > > children. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Adi Shankaracharya, Swami Vivekananda and all monastic > > disciples > > > > > > of Thakur, Swami Sivanada, Gnaneshwar, SainBaba, Aurobindo, Sri > > Sri > > > > > > Ravishankar and countless known realised souls never married (We > > > > > > assume that they maintained perfect brahmacharya) . > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Many saints such as Tukaaram, Eknaath, Narasee Mehta, > Jalaaram, > > > > > > Rishis of yore, Ekanaath, Mirabai, Jana Bai, and many other > saints > > > > > > were married. but i am confident that at some stage in their life > > > > > > they would have ended, forever, the physical relationship with > > their > > > > > > spouses. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6)complete Brahmachaya includes Physical & Mental. physical > > > > > > brahmacharya includes Restrain of all the indriyaas and not just > > the > > > > > > procreative organs. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many things looks contradictory in above but if one see > > > > > > deeper then there is a wonderful synergy. there is a common > truth. > > > > > > what i've started believing from the above written thoughts as > > well > > > > > > as many unwritten thoughts is that Brahmachrya is one of the most > > > > > > important vertue for realisation. but it seems that even married > > > > > > people will also start maintaining that, knowingly or unknowingly > > > > > > before final realisation. actually, it seems that Like > > realisation, > > > > > > Brahmachrya aslo DAWNS !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rajarshi14 " > > <rajarshi14@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was re reading this thread on the light of something I had > > come > > > > > > > across very recently. This is regarding Swami Brahmananda. I > was > > > > > > > reading a book on his life and various incidents connected to > > him > > > > > > > observed by other saints and his brother disciples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Brahmananda or Rakhal Maharaj was the spiritual son of > > > > > > Thakur. > > > > > > > And no doubt a great spiritual super giant. Thakur used to say > > he > > > > > > > was one of Sri Krishna's eternal playmates who had reincarnated > > on > > > > > > > this plane. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During his stay in various monastaries of the Ramakrishna > > Mission, > > > > > > > often other monks used to send new initiates to Rakhal Maharaj > > for > > > > > > > hios blessings. It was a generally accepted idea among the > > > > > > disciples > > > > > > > of Thakur that any one who is blessed by Rakhal Maharaj will > > never > > > > > > > again be troubled by problems of lack of Brahmacharya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One day an individual came to Rakhal Maharaj asking for his > > > > > > > blessings and said " Maharaj, please give me brahmacharya as a > > > > > > > blessing " . Hearing this suddenly Rakhal Maharaj said, " Why do > > you > > > > > > > people always come asking for Brahmacharya? Was does not any > one > > > > > > > come to me asking me to give him/her God? Isn't God the final > > aim > > > > > > of > > > > > > > everything.. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for someone who cannot maintain brahmacharya to > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > God? I am puzzled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > > > > > > <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can also reply on VEDIC WISDOM group but if you > > > > > > > > > can remove my identity from this that would be appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimalananda may have overcome lust after having his deity > with > > > > > > > him. Someone > > > > > > > > else may have to first overcome his lust even to have a > vision > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the deity. > > > > > > > > What is good for goose is not good for gander. In general, it > > is > > > > > > > good to try > > > > > > > > to overcome lust if it is possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several " normal college going people " were taken under his > > wings > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and transformed into spiritual > giants. > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, Swami Brahmananda, Swami Yogananda etc were > > college > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > when they met Ramakrishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it is not easy to overcome lust at all. Several of > > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s > > > > > > > > disciples also struggled with it initially and overcame lust > > > > > > with > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > blessings. Lust is a very basic human instinct and not at all > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > to kill > > > > > > > > completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the beginning, it is ok if the thought does not go out of > > the > > > > > > > mind. Set a > > > > > > > > rule for 20 days or 40 days or 108 days or some period like > > that > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > maintain physical brahmacharya. Don't worry if thoughts come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in > > overcoming > > > > > > > the basic > > > > > > > > problem. Don't be over-burdened by it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, what i read in AGHORA was the important thing is > > not > > > > > > > > > suppress desires but remove them from the root > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, suppressing desire will make the desire come back > later. > > > > > > > But, if one > > > > > > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the > nature > > > > > > of > > > > > > > desire. > > > > > > > > Whether one desires money or knowledge (of anything other > than > > > > > > > Self) or > > > > > > > > physical pleasures, the desire will never end no matter how > > much > > > > > > > one gets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Removing desire from the root often requires suppressing the > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > temporarily. But the thing to remember from the Aghora book > is > > > > > > > that just > > > > > > > > suppressing desire is not sufficient. Practice suppressing > > > > > > > desires, but do > > > > > > > > remember that the final goal is to uproot it fully and keep > > > > > > > working on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only reason for which i keep trying for brahamcharya is > > if > > > > > > > > > vimalananda took such a long time probasbly i can also do > > it , > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > not in 6 years at least in 10-12 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is the right spirit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual progress involves a lot of things and brahmacharya > > is > > > > > > > one thing. > > > > > > > > The most fundamental thing is to overcome ego and not become > > > > > > > attached to > > > > > > > > things. Developing detachment to one's actions and > possessions > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > developing a sense of surrender is the most fundamental thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several things in spiritual progress. They all come > > > > > > > together! One > > > > > > > > person may develop detachment to actions and possessions and > > > > > > > brahmacharya > > > > > > > > may become easy as a result. One person may achieve > > brahmacharya > > > > > > > first and > > > > > > > > detachment may become easy as a result and come later. > Various > > > > > > > signs of > > > > > > > > spiritual progress come almost together, but the exact order > > can > > > > > > > change from > > > > > > > > person to person. Thus, do not be disappointed by your > > inability > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > something. It may be possible to work it out from another > > angle! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ --- > > - > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > homam > > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > > net > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > > rologer.org > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > > nath.org > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ --- > > - > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Namaste sir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know you are lot busy but since i couldn;t ask this > question > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > public forum as it may probably offend others. > > > > > > > > If you have time ,if you could please reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking this for many days > > > > > > > > that as mentioned in recent thread on brahamcharya, > > > > > > > > it was important to maintain brahamcharya but i wanted to ask > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > even vimalananda had to work for 6 years for overcoming lust > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > he had his deity with him from the very early in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how can normal college going people like me who don't even > > have a > > > > > > > > deity obtain this goal. > > > > > > > > Though i try to maintain physical brahamcharya for few months > > but > > > > > > > > after that i am not able to hold it , > > > > > > > > and even if i maintain some physical chastity it refuses to > go > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, what i read in AGHORA was the important thing is not > > > > > > > > suppress desires but remove them from the root > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, how can i finish it completely from my mind > > > > > > > > Though i have read Swami Sivananda's book on Practice of > > > > > > > Brahamcharya > > > > > > > > but i don't think i have made any spiritual progress in > > maintaing > > > > > > > > Brahamcharya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sometimes it makes me guilt ridden. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only reason for which i keep trying for brahamcharya is if > > > > > > > > vimalananda took such a long time probasbly i can also do > it , > > if > > > > > > > > not in 6 years at least in 10-12 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can also reply on VEDIC WISDOM group but if you can > remove > > my > > > > > > > > identity from this that would be appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if what i worte offended you please delete this mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > <deleted> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Shri Narasimha garu, Namaskar. Your mails are a constant source of inspiration for people like me... frogs in the wheelbarrow. constantly trying to desperately *get out* into the *true* world but find that if I crawl/leap up one foot slip three.. struggling to keep up the sadhana.. One real progress in this life-time has been grasping the truth that detachment while living in this mundane world is the salvation. I am happy that I have atleast recognised the surreality even if I am still in the mire.. I shall keep up the efforts at trying to achieve even the semblance of it, trying to do it through purging and cleansing through external fires . Thank you very much for initiating us into *begging* at the munificent abode of The Divine Mother, I am waiting for her "pichai"(alms) or atleast Her "kadaikann parvai",(a passing glance).. At Her Feet Nalini Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Sent: Friday, 19 December, 2008 6:14:16 PM Beggar helping beggar (Re: Regarding Brahamcharya) Namaste,> Have patience ! Narasimha is one of the right persons capable of> guiding you. If you are sincere, you'll be helped. although, i write> much now a days, i am just like anybody else, struggeling !!!I am a beggar like others. But I try to help other beggars by showing the houses where they can try their luck by begging.Normally, one beggar may view another beggar as a competitor and not like too many people to beg in the same area. However, this begging is different and there is no competition between different beggars. The owner of the house has enough to give to every beggar and does not mind giving to many beggars at the same time if they are worthy.Actually, if one beggar gets something, it will be so much that he/she can share some of it with all around him/her. If you go with 100 other beggars and beg, you are better off. If any one of them is able to melt the heart of the owner of the house, all the hundred will benefit from it to varying degrees!When I tell people about external practices such as homam and internal practices such as surrender and detachment in actions, all I am really doing is to take fellow beggars in front of a house where a rich person lives. If they are able to melt the heart of the owner of the house, their begging will be fruitful. That is completely in *their* hands.I am only a beggar who can show a place where other beggars can beg and I am not really "capable" of anything more. Please do not treat me in any other way.When Swami Brahmananda, the spiritual son of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, and Thakur himself saw themselves as beggars in front of the Mother, mama kim kathaa (what is my story).* * *In general, to those who are struggling with internal conflicts related to spiritual progress and getting frustrated, I have a few words. Rome is not built in a day. Forget Rome, even a small protocol of Rome is not built in a day! Be patient.I have seen people change from inside out in a short span of time. There is no need to panic or give up hope.* * *Be patient. Read scriptures. Read the words of saints and yogis such as Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Sankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Sai Baba, Kabir, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mahavira, Jnaneshwar etc. Try to understand what they are saying. Try to integrate some of it into your common sense, your way of thinking and your life style. Realize that the goal of spiritual practices is inner transformation. The archives of this also have some inspired writings.Nobody can change you. You yourself can do it. You CAN do it, if you really want to. Introspect and go to the root of your problems. If you introspect and analyze each big problem, you will realize that ego is the root of it all. Whenever something in life seems fundamentally important, question why. I am not saying to leave it. Do what you normally do. But, atleast analyze why it is important and try to understand your inner motives. Scuh introspection will eventually lighten the clouds of fear, expectation, attachment and pride that often color one's attitude.Introspect on your attitude and motives and contemplate on the nature of god. Meditate.In this age, there is nothing like a total surrender to the Lord. Of course, saying "I surrender to you. So give me x or y" is NOT total surrender. Total surrender means you take whatever the Lord gives without questions and expectations. If you can manage it, you are all set!* * *Homam or worship of deities in fire is a powerful practice taught by rishis. I know from experience that it burns blocking karmas and enables the inner transformation. It is a very useful spiritual practice. I know people who made (and are making) considerable spiritual progress through regular practice of homam. It is the most powerful method I know of and teaching it is one of my tasks for this life.Dear Rajesh, try to make some time in your daily schedule and start doing Mahaganapathi homam everyday. After a few months, you should switch to Vishnu sahasra naama homam (I will put it up on my website by then). THAT should help you find your way in your spiritual life and strike the right balance between spiritual life and material life.The purpose of material life on this earth is to perform actions to pay back debts without incurring new debts, so that spiritual progress becomes smoother. Without paying certain debts, spiritual life cannot become smooth. However, without some spiritual progress, actions in material life create new debts. In the beginning, one needs to create a synergy between the two and use the actions in material life to promote spiritual life. For true spiritual progress, most people cannot and should not run away from material life.Vasishtha said in the very beginning of Yoga Vaasishtham that action and knowledge are two wings with which the bird of manifested Self flies and becomes liberated. Action without correct knowledge creates pride, promote ego and binds one further instead of liberating. Knowledge without action does not become complete because of the remaining debts and one is stuck. One needs to have true knowledge and perform actions, to become free.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ ><>Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:29 AM Re: Regarding BrahamcharyaDear Raju,Have patience ! Narasimha is one of the right persons capable ofguiding you. If you are sincere, you'll be helped. although, i writemuch now a days, i am just like anybody else, struggeling !!!Warm Regards,Utpal, "rajesh_rajgor2003"<rajesh_rajgor2003@ ...> wrote:>>> Dear Utpalbhai,>> Namaskaar.. kem chhe tu? yaar taro reply vanchine em thayu ke hun> ghano vamno chhun.. taru gnan ane tari sadhna ghani chhe ne tari> saame maru koi gaju nathi.. sachu kahu to mein taro reply be ketran> vaar vanchyo ane jetli vaar vanchyo mane ema navu navu samjaayu..ane> sachu kahu to ghani evi vaat hati je samjayi pan nahin.. pan etli> vaat to chhokkas chhe ke you are great.. i salute you...and i am> proud that you are my friend..>> Please help me in changing myself.. i want to have control> overmyself.. which you know i donot have .. i have requested> narsimhaji also to help me pursuing this life..>> i want to come out of this.. but my desire to transform myself isnot> strong.. i know it.. so many factors are making it weak.. i amsure> you would have understood what are they? but i will come out of> this.. i will have to come out of this.. i need your help forthis..>> Thanks for your efforts to write to me such loooong reply..>> rajesh>> , "utpal pathak"> <vedic_pathak@ > wrote:> >> > Rajgor Bhai,> >> > Kem Chho?> >> > > 1. Supressing desire cannot be termed as a brahmacharya. .right?> >> > The connection between'Desire & Supression' needs to beunderstood> > properly, once and for ever so as to understand Control & > > Annihilation/ overcome/ rising above> >> > Let us take a practical case of day to day life of a commonperson.> > Take an Individual 'Z' has a desire for copulation with hiswife.> He> > *Satisfies* his desire one day and becomes very satsfied withit.> > now THAT perticular desire seems to be gone. few days passes onand> > mr. Z finds that the same Desire has Risen again, he againsatsfies> > the same with the same action. these cycle keeps going on & onfor> > many years. Mr. Z feels like most in the world that this desireto> > have sexual relationship is 'Natural'.> >> > Now let's analysie the above case. Though mr.Z satsfies the wantof> > copulation, it comes back again & again. it means that thedesire> > has never been satsfied even by giving it FOOD Again & again.> > ***> > Our spiritual giants equvivocally say that The Energy which islost> > during copulation is the BEST Energy available in a person whichif> > restrained, controlled and preserved, can easly become OJAS andcan> > help immensly in the path of Spiritual journey.> > ***> > consider that our Mr. Z some how got to read the above paragraph> and> > started seriously thinking about it. He tells himself that hewould> > refrain from intercourse for 3 months. The earlier frequency was> 2/3> > days, now he suddenly finds that desire has completely overtaken> > him. after 15 days, he finds that Desire has gone in to hisevery> > pour and every thought and he gives up and succumbs to that> gigantic> > force of Kaam Vaasana. This may be called suppression initially> > which failed the effort. The person again analyses what wentwrong> > and again tries to do the same and again fails. he keeps ontrying> > and keeps on failing. during this battles, he is also exploringand> > gathering knowledge of experienced people and knowledge from> > spiritual books. he understands that if he needs to win theFinal> > WAR with this Very Formidable enemy, he needs to do lot ofthings> > simultaneously and he then resorts to the help from manyquarters.> > He starts taking cold water bath, starts reading spiritualbooks,> > stops reading film magazine, stops watching Films and TV Shows,> > Reduces eating Onion and garlic, starts doing Yoga Aasan,> Meditation> > and so on and so forth. taking the aids thus he keeps onbatteling> > with the *Natural Desire* and still keeps on loosing. but thegood> > news is that his days of batteling before loosing has increased.> > started from 10 days, he has now reached the struggelingcapacity> of> > 90 days. (WE ARE ASSUMING HERE THAT HIS WIFE IS FULLYCOOPERATIVE> OF> > HIS THEATRICS). He is still unhappy about his loosing, althoughhe> > is able to keep-up the Physical brahmacharya for 3 months. somehow> > he realises that God's grace is the most important thingespecially> > for this perticular matter and he now starts Praying to his> > favourite Deity every day. he cries and cries and requests theGod> > to save him from this loss. he keeps on trying every thing> possible,> > keeps on praying sincerely and severly, keeps on doing various> > spiritual sadhanas but still keeps on loosing at as well. over a> > period of some 8/10 years, the desired change is visible. he has> > conquered his desire. Now Sexual Desire which was his *Natural*for> > him has been replaced by Brahmacharya.> >> > 'Supression' when combined with Thoughtful Suspension, equipped> with> > every possible preparation and will power to try untiringlyagain & > > again finally results in to annihilation.> >> > ***> > > 2. To control desire is also not brahmacharya?> >> > If a person who has gained perfect self control but indulges into> > the act of copulation only because to satisfy the desire ofspouse> > or to have children, in my opinion, still maintains Brahmacharya.> > actually brahmacharya is a Nature, It can not be done but itDawns.> >> > ***> >> > in the same case, if the wife of Mr.Z is demanding then Z would> have> > fight the one more big battle of either convincing Wife by> > explainging her, slowly moulding her nature and at the same time> > surrendering to the Lord. i mean praying lord to change herwife's> > nature so that she also starts thinking in the same line. asNalini> > Bahen has said, accepting everything as Mother's wishes.> Brahmachrya> > or No Brahmacharya.> >> > ***> > friends, please forgive me. i think it was too much...but stilli> > couldn't write many things going across my mind.> >> > yours,> >> > utpal> >> > , rajesh rajgor> > <rajesh_rajgor2003@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I have read the contents of utpal.. that had raised fewquestions> > in to my mind.. i would be happy if utpal can answer me..> > >> > > 1. Supressing desire cannot be termed as a brahmacharya. .right?> > > 2. To control desire is also not brahmacharya?> > >> > > In our vedic books also, it is specifically mentioned thatDHANYO> > GRUHASTHASHARAM. Lord rama was also married and had kids..stillhe> > was called Maryada purushottam. ..Lord Krishna has 8 patranis and> > 16000 gopia.. well does it mean that Lord krishna had physical> > relationship with all of them.. or he had not? that is alltogether> > different issue..But lord krishna was shringar priya and it> > seems that he had enjoyed physical realtionship. . (???) stillhe> > was called brahmachari. . how? i am bit confused..> > >> > > I personally feel that to have sexual desire and notfulfilling> > it, cannot be termed as brahmacharya. . it is like cheating> > yourself.. and if you are married and if you donot fulfilldesire> of> > your spouse is also not good.. Please advise.> > >> > > Thanks> > >> > > Rajesh> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ > wrote:> > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ >> > > Re: Regarding Brahamcharya> > > > > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 2:12 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > >> > >> > > Let me put some thoughts and i'll continue writng as it keepson> > >> > > occuring to me...> > >> > >> > >> > > 1) Thakur's marraige was never a marriage in physical sense> > >> > >> > >> > > 2) The author of 'Autobiography of a Yogi', ParamhamsaYogananda> > has> > >> > > mentioned in the same book that his parents lived like aHusband> & > > >> > > wife only once a year to biget child.> > >> > >> > >> > > 3) I've read some where that our ancient Rishis thoughmarried,> > >> > > lived extremely restarined married life and that too only to> beget> > >> > > children.> > >> > >> > >> > > 4) Adi Shankaracharya, Swami Vivekananda and all monastic> > disciples> > >> > > of Thakur, Swami Sivanada, Gnaneshwar, SainBaba, Aurobindo,Sri> > Sri> > >> > > Ravishankar and countless known realised souls never married(We> > >> > > assume that they maintained perfect brahmacharya) .> > >> > >> > >> > > 5) Many saints such as Tukaaram, Eknaath, Narasee Mehta,> Jalaaram,> > >> > > Rishis of yore, Ekanaath, Mirabai, Jana Bai, and many other> saints> > >> > > were married. but i am confident that at some stage in theirlife> > >> > > they would have ended, forever, the physical relationship with> > their> > >> > > spouses.> > >> > >> > >> > > 6)complete Brahmachaya includes Physical & Mental. physical> > >> > > brahmacharya includes Restrain of all the indriyaas and notjust> > the> > >> > > procreative organs.> > >> > >> > >> > > There are many things looks contradictory in above but if onesee> > >> > > deeper then there is a wonderful synergy. there is a common> truth.> > >> > > what i've started believing from the above written thoughts as> > well> > >> > > as many unwritten thoughts is that Brahmachrya is one of themost> > >> > > important vertue for realisation. but it seems that evenmarried> > >> > > people will also start maintaining that, knowingly orunknowingly> > >> > > before final realisation. actually, it seems that Like> > realisation,> > >> > > Brahmachrya aslo DAWNS !!!> > >> > >> > >> > > Warm Regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > Utpal> > >> > >> > >> > > , "rajarshi14"> > <rajarshi14@ ...>> > >> > > wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Members> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I was re reading this thread on the light of something I had> > come> > >> > > > across very recently. This is regarding Swami Brahmananda. I> was> > >> > > > reading a book on his life and various incidents connectedto> > him> > >> > > > observed by other saints and his brother disciples.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Swami Brahmananda or Rakhal Maharaj was the spiritual son of> > >> > > Thakur.> > >> > > > And no doubt a great spiritual super giant. Thakur used tosay> > he> > >> > > > was one of Sri Krishna's eternal playmates who hadreincarnated> > on> > >> > > > this plane.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > During his stay in various monastaries of the Ramakrishna> > Mission,> > >> > > > often other monks used to send new initiates to RakhalMaharaj> > for> > >> > > > hios blessings. It was a generally accepted idea among the> > >> > > disciples> > >> > > > of Thakur that any one who is blessed by Rakhal Maharaj will> > never> > >> > > > again be troubled by problems of lack of Brahmacharya.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > One day an individual came to Rakhal Maharaj asking for his> > >> > > > blessings and said "Maharaj, please give me brahmacharya asa> > >> > > > blessing". Hearing this suddenly Rakhal Maharaj said, "Whydo> > you> > >> > > > people always come asking for Brahmacharya? Was does not any> one> > >> > > > come to me asking me to give him/her God? Isn't God thefinal> > aim> > >> > > of> > >> > > > everything.. "> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Is it possible for someone who cannot maintain brahmacharyato> > >> > > reach> > >> > > > God? I am puzzled...> > >> > > >> > >> > > > -Regards> > >> > > > Rajarshi> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R.Rao"> > >> > > > <pvr@> wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Namaste,> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > you can also reply on VEDIC WISDOM group but if you> > >> > > > > > can remove my identity from this that would beappreciable> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Ok..> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Vimalananda may have overcome lust after having his deity> with> > >> > > > him. Someone> > >> > > > > else may have to first overcome his lust even to have a> vision> > >> > > of> > >> > > > the deity.> > >> > > > > What is good for goose is not good for gander. In general,it> > is> > >> > > > good to try> > >> > > > > to overcome lust if it is possible.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Several "normal college going people" were taken under his> > wings> > >> > > > by> > >> > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and transformed into spiritual> giants.> > >> > > > Swami> > >> > > > > Vivekananda, Swami Brahmananda, Swami Yogananda etc were> > college> > >> > > > students> > >> > > > > when they met Ramakrishna.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > But it is not easy to overcome lust at all. Several of> > >> > > > Ramakrishna' s> > >> > > > > disciples also struggled with it initially and overcamelust> > >> > > with> > >> > > > his> > >> > > > > blessings. Lust is a very basic human instinct and not atall> > >> > > easy> > >> > > > to kill> > >> > > > > completely.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > In the beginning, it is ok if the thought does not go outof> > the> > >> > > > mind. Set a> > >> > > > > rule for 20 days or 40 days or 108 days or some periodlike> > that> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > maintain physical brahmacharya. Don't worry if thoughtscome.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in> > overcoming> > >> > > > the basic> > >> > > > > problem. Don't be over-burdened by it.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > Moreover, what i read in AGHORA was the important thingis> > not> > >> > > > > > suppress desires but remove them from the root> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > True, suppressing desire will make the desire come back> later.> > >> > > > But, if one> > >> > > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the> nature> > >> > > of> > >> > > > desire.> > >> > > > > Whether one desires money or knowledge (of anything other> than> > >> > > > Self) or> > >> > > > > physical pleasures, the desire will never end no matterhow> > much> > >> > > > one gets.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Removing desire from the root often requires suppressingthe> > >> > > > desire> > >> > > > > temporarily. But the thing to remember from the Aghorabook> is> > >> > > > that just> > >> > > > > suppressing desire is not sufficient. Practice suppressing> > >> > > > desires, but do> > >> > > > > remember that the final goal is to uproot it fully andkeep> > >> > > > working on it.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > The only reason for which i keep trying for brahamcharyais> > if> > >> > > > > > vimalananda took such a long time probasbly i can alsodo> > it ,> > >> > > if> > >> > > > > > not in 6 years at least in 10-12 years> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > That is the right spirit!> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Spiritual progress involves a lot of things andbrahmacharya> > is> > >> > > > one thing.> > >> > > > > The most fundamental thing is to overcome ego and notbecome> > >> > > > attached to> > >> > > > > things. Developing detachment to one's actions and> possessions> > >> > > and> > >> > > > > developing a sense of surrender is the most fundamentalthing.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > There are several things in spiritual progress. They allcome> > >> > > > together! One> > >> > > > > person may develop detachment to actions and possessionsand> > >> > > > brahmacharya> > >> > > > > may become easy as a result. One person may achieve> > brahmacharya> > >> > > > first and> > >> > > > > detachment may become easy as a result and come later.> Various> > >> > > > signs of> > >> > > > > spiritual progress come almost together, but the exactorder> > can> > >> > > > change from> > >> > > > > person to person. Thus, do not be disappointed by your> > inability> > >> > > > to get> > >> > > > > something. It may be possible to work it out from another> > angle!> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Best regards,> > >> > > > > Narasimha> > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > -> > >> > > -> > >> > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/> > homam> > >> > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:> > >> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > >> > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > >> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.> > net> > >> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst> > rologer.org> > >> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan> > nath.org> > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > -> > >> > > -> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > - > > >> > > > > Namaste sir> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > i know you are lot busy but since i couldn;t ask this> question> > >> > > on a> > >> > > > > public forum as it may probably offend others.> > >> > > > > If you have time ,if you could please reply.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > I was thinking this for many days> > >> > > > > that as mentioned in recent thread on brahamcharya,> > >> > > > > it was important to maintain brahamcharya but i wanted toask> > >> > > that> > >> > > > > even vimalananda had to work for 6 years for overcominglust> > >> > > though> > >> > > > > he had his deity with him from the very early in life.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > how can normal college going people like me who don't even> > have a> > >> > > > > deity obtain this goal.> > >> > > > > Though i try to maintain physical brahamcharya for fewmonths> > but> > >> > > > > after that i am not able to hold it ,> > >> > > > > and even if i maintain some physical chastity it refusesto> go> > >> > > out> > >> > > > > of mind> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Moreover, what i read in AGHORA was the important thing isnot> > >> > > > > suppress desires but remove them from the root> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > So, how can i finish it completely from my mind> > >> > > > > Though i have read Swami Sivananda's book on Practice of> > >> > > > Brahamcharya> > >> > > > > but i don't think i have made any spiritual progress in> > maintaing> > >> > > > > Brahamcharya> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > and sometimes it makes me guilt ridden.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > The only reason for which i keep trying for brahamcharyais if> > >> > > > > vimalananda took such a long time probasbly i can also do> it ,> > if> > >> > > > > not in 6 years at least in 10-12 years> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > you can also reply on VEDIC WISDOM group but if you can> remove> > my> > >> > > > > identity from this that would be appreciable> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > if what i worte offended you please delete this mail> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > regards> > >> > > > > <deleted> Get the world's best email - Xtra Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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