Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Namaste, I think I am not able to fully connect with this rik. However, as you asked, I will share what my intuition tells me about its subtle meaning. Rik: divaspari prathamaM jaGYe agnirasmad dvitIyaM pari jaatavedaaH . tR^itIyamapsu nR^maNaa ajasramindhaana enaM jarate svaadhIH .. RV 10.45.1 Critique: The word "apsu" in the second half has been interpreted as "in waters". The word "ap" not only means water, but also means "work" or "action". The word "div" in the first half is interpreted as heaven. It also means "desire" or "wish". In fact, heaven is a place where all desires are instantly fulfilled (after all, it is a result of your own previous good karmas and hence the period for which you stay in heaven is limited by the good karmas you carry). Simple Translation: First, Fire is born around our wishes. Second, as the all-knowing one. Third, in the actions of people. A thoughtful one approaches this perpetually kinding one. Commentary: In my view, this rik is referring to three shaktis - Ichchhaa shakti (power of desire), Jnaana shakti (power of knowledge) and Kriyaa shakti (power of action). These three powers are endowed with three gunas - tamas, sattwa and rajas - and overseen by the three goddesses - Maha Kali, Maha Lakshmi and Maha Saraswati, respectively. In fact, durga saptashati or chandipath contains three parts for the three goddesses, in the same order. The Adi Shakti (primordial energy) that creates, sustains and destroys the universe is the sum total of these three goddesses. Some call Her Narayani or Aadyaadi Sri Mahaalakshmi; some call her Chandi; some call her Aadi Paraashakti; and, some call her by some other names. But names are secondary. The rik is saying that the god of Fire manifests in all of us as the powers that cause desire, knowledge and actions. Fire is not just physical fire that we can see with eyes. Fire is essentially an energy that transforms one thing into another. For example, fire in our belly takes in various food items and transforms them into things our body can use. Fire in the brain takes in various sensory inputs and transforms them into various experiences in the brain. Like this, different kinds of fire transform different objects into some other objects. There are many kinds of fires mentioned in various texts. The rik is saying that Fire manifests in 3 basic subtle forms - as the fire that transforms the quality of tamas in us into desires, as the fire that transforms the quality of sattwa in us into knowledge, and as the fire that transforms the quality of rajas in us into actions. Fire manifests as desires, knowledge and actions. * * * In the veda mantra of Mars also, the same word "ap" comes. It says "apaaM retaaMsi jinvati". This is translated by many as "promotes semens in waters". However, I believe this means "incites force and energy in actions". Anyway, I will write about Mars mantra later. Best regards,Narasimha PS: I stopped posting to sivacharya and restricting my posts to these days, in order to not spam a list dedicated to Saiva agamas with my writings on generic spiritual knowledge. But this post may be interesting and I am sending it to sivacharya too. Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14 Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:27 AM Jatavedas Dear Narasimhaji I was trying to read Sri Aurobindos translation of the mystic fire hymns from the Vedas. One of the riks is as follows: divas pari prathama & #7747; jajñe aghnirasmad dvit & #299;ya & #7747; parij & #257;taved & #257; & #7717; | t & #7771;t & #299;yamapsu n & #7771;ma & #7751; & #257; ajasramindh & #257;na ena & #7747;jarate sv & #257;dh & #299; & #7717; || Translation done by Sri Aurobindo: 10th Mandal SUKTA 45 1. Above heaven was the first birth of the Fire, over us was his second birth as the knower of all things born, his third birth was in the waters, a god-mind; him continuously one kindles and with one's thought perfectly fixed on him adores. http://www.mountainman.com.au/rghmf_09.htm] Sir, when you have time could you kindly deliberate of the possible meaning of the above verse/translation. Thanks for all your efforts. -Regards Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Dear Narasimhaji Thank you for the explanation. I find it quite satisfactory though I have no knowledge of sanskrit but this surely makes sense to me. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 25/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr My take on RV 10.45.1 (Re: Jatavedas) Cc: sivacharya Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 9:52 AM Namaste, I think I am not able to fully connect with this rik. However, as you asked, I will share what my intuition tells me about its subtle meaning. Rik: divaspari prathamaM jaGYe agnirasmad dvitIyaM pari jaatavedaaH . tR^itIyamapsu nR^maNaa ajasramindhaana enaM jarate svaadhIH .. RV 10.45.1 Critique: The word "apsu" in the second half has been interpreted as "in waters". The word "ap" not only means water, but also means "work" or "action". The word "div" in the first half is interpreted as heaven. It also means "desire" or "wish". In fact, heaven is a place where all desires are instantly fulfilled (after all, it is a result of your own previous good karmas and hence the period for which you stay in heaven is limited by the good karmas you carry). Simple Translation: First, Fire is born around our wishes. Second, as the all-knowing one. Third, in the actions of people. A thoughtful one approaches this perpetually kinding one. Commentary: In my view, this rik is referring to three shaktis - Ichchhaa shakti (power of desire), Jnaana shakti (power of knowledge) and Kriyaa shakti (power of action). These three powers are endowed with three gunas - tamas, sattwa and rajas - and overseen by the three goddesses - Maha Kali, Maha Lakshmi and Maha Saraswati, respectively. In fact, durga saptashati or chandipath contains three parts for the three goddesses, in the same order. The Adi Shakti (primordial energy) that creates, sustains and destroys the universe is the sum total of these three goddesses. Some call Her Narayani or Aadyaadi Sri Mahaalakshmi; some call her Chandi; some call her Aadi Paraashakti; and, some call her by some other names. But names are secondary. The rik is saying that the god of Fire manifests in all of us as the powers that cause desire, knowledge and actions. Fire is not just physical fire that we can see with eyes. Fire is essentially an energy that transforms one thing into another. For example, fire in our belly takes in various food items and transforms them into things our body can use. Fire in the brain takes in various sensory inputs and transforms them into various experiences in the brain. Like this, different kinds of fire transform different objects into some other objects. There are many kinds of fires mentioned in various texts. The rik is saying that Fire manifests in 3 basic subtle forms - as the fire that transforms the quality of tamas in us into desires, as the fire that transforms the quality of sattwa in us into knowledge, and as the fire that transforms the quality of rajas in us into actions. Fire manifests as desires, knowledge and actions. * * * In the veda mantra of Mars also, the same word "ap" comes. It says "apaaM retaaMsi jinvati". This is translated by many as "promotes semens in waters". However, I believe this means "incites force and energy in actions". Anyway, I will write about Mars mantra later. Best regards,Narasimha PS: I stopped posting to sivacharya and restricting my posts to these days, in order to not spam a list dedicated to Saiva agamas with my writings on generic spiritual knowledge. But this post may be interesting and I am sending it to sivacharya too. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> <> Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:27 AM Jatavedas Dear Narasimhaji I was trying to read Sri Aurobindos translation of the mystic fire hymns from the Vedas. One of the riks is as follows: divas pari prathama & #7747; jajñe aghnirasmad dvit & #299;ya & #7747; parij & #257;taved & #257; & #7717; | t & #7771;t & #299;yamapsu n & #7771;ma & #7751; & #257; ajasramindh & #257;na ena & #7747;jarate sv & #257;dh & #299; & #7717; || Translation done by Sri Aurobindo: 10th Mandal SUKTA 45 1. Above heaven was the first birth of the Fire, over us was his second birth as the knower of all things born, his third birth was in the waters, a god-mind; him continuously one kindles and with one's thought perfectly fixed on him adores. http://www.mountain man.com.au/ rghmf_09. htm] Sir, when you have time could you kindly deliberate of the possible meaning of the above verse/translation. Thanks for all your efforts. -Regards Rajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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