Power of Duality (Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)

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|| Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah ||Namaskaar Rajarshi,64 = Total number of Kalas16 = Maximum number of Kalas that one can acquire in his physical manifestation16/64 = 1/4Manifest Universe = 1/4th of Naaraayana = Physical manifestation of NaaraayanaThere is an interesting parallel here, however not sure what to think of it.With the blessings of Sri Vishnu,Reema. , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote:>> Dear Ramakrishnaji>  > I had once met a very genuine sadhak for whom I have a huge amount of respect. This person was telling me about the 64 kalas. Not that I could understand everything that he was telling me, but let me try and reproduce whatever I could understand.>  > He showed me an old diagram where there was one circle that was moving out from a centre like a whirlpool with three concentric arms. Each arm was one layer of the 64 kalas. Thus in total there were 64 such "arts" placed at various places on the circle. At the centre was atmavidya. > He said these 64 represent 64 different kinds of knowledge across the three realms. A man when born in this phsyical plane, can at the maximum acquire mastery of ONLY 16 of these Kalas. It is impossible to master even one more Kala staying in this physical body. And ONLY Krishna had such a mastery.That is why he is purna avatar.>  > Even Lord Rama was not a 16 kala purna purusha. To gain mastery of one more then 16 would mean leaving the physical body and going into other subtle realms. >  > For an ordianry person, even mastery (by mastery I mean perfected knowledge) of even a few (3/4) of these Kala is an exceptional feat. Such a man is regarded as unique, genius, beyond words.>  > Now this 16/64 is theoritically the maximum knowledge of all aspects of the universe that a man can gain from his physical body. Which is roughly 1/4th. >  > While talking about this, he was also trying to explain to me how these kalas interact with tattwas, or rather how and in what degree should each tattwa interact with a person in his system for him to be able to gain mastery of any particular of these 64 kalas. Then he was talking mostlt about tattwas, and that by knowing the exact age at which a really spiritual person leaves his body, it can be ascertained whether he had use and access to tattwas beyond the 5 gross "asudha tattwas" of this physical plane of existence. >  > Anyway I know this may all sound very jumbled up and incoherent, but thats entirely because of my own limitation of understanding. >  > -Regards>  Rajarshi>  >  >  > > >  > > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet> > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Ramakrishna ramakrishna_blr wrote:> > Ramakrishna ramakrishna_blr Re: Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)> > Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 11:33 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha garu,>  > Namaste.>  > >> When a being like Krishna is > >> born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. > >> When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of > >> things in the dual world that are impossible for others.> > I heard Kalas in the context of moon (moon phases). Can you please explain what is meant by kalas in this context ?>  > Thanks,> Ramakrishna> > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>> Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)> > Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:00 AM> > > > > Namaste Dinesh,> > > One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> > reincarnation of someone else,> > Your skepticism is justified.> > The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are > occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual > Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is > capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as > one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She > does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal > with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.> > > on the other hand we are all a part of Divinity> > BTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same. > In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we > have differences due to previous vasanas (conditioning) , which decide what > and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is > born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. > When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of > things in the dual world that are impossible for others.> > Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but > there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based > on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one > (non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.> > But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic > point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We > should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the > same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > "Dinesh Nambisan" dinesh (AT) nambisan (DOT) net>> <>> Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM> Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today> > || Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||> > Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how will> you distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaning> of "I"? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consider> yourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> reincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part of> Divinity, so why bother arguing over trivial things.> > What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.> Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just my> opinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...> Best,> ./Dinesh> > , "m540i98" m540i98@ > wrote:> >> > Namaste> >> > Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly> > realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his> > prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed> > the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.> >> > Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev> > and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of> > river Narmada awakened his kundalini and he has described very> > accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had> > very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic> > orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web> > site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.> >> > Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna> > may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take> > more births.> >> > His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my> > lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time> > After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a> > inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with> > our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas> > or help us attach or attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint> > more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but> > manifests uniquely based on each person.> >> > I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is> > present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.> > There are many instances of other forms of inititations like> > initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of> > initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.> >> >> > After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my> > mind about him.> >> > 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many> > spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.> > 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book> > about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after that?> > 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving> > spirtual talks? It seems unusual.> >> > I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual> > state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this> > the case?> >> > May be others who have read this book can share more light.> > I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has> > time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his web> site.> >> > Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and> > upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi> > Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.> >> > I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very> > very long too and many obstacles in the path.> >> >> > Best Regards> > Mitesh> >> > , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma> > > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.> > >> > > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that> > > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about> > > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that> > > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.> > >> > > Yours,> > >> > > Utpal> > >> > > I know> > >> > >> > > , "Shiv" <theblisswithin@ >> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ashwinji> > > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.> > > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting> > > insight.> > > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his> > > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and> > > Will,> > > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting> > > for> > > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru> > > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives> > > and> > > > gave him the work for this life.> > > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had> > > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru> > > of> > > > Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.> > > >> > > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is> > > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English> > > somewhere> > > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Shiv> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ >> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience> > > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I> > > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing> > > exactly> > > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of> > > 1973/74.> > > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.> > > > > Â> > > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near> > > Dwarka.> > > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance> > > for> > > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post> > > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some> > > Telephone> > > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)> > > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri> > > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking> > > about> > > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly> > > gathering at> > > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created> > > by> > > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna> > > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly> > > meeting> > > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30> > > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours> > > > and were talking only about Thakur.> > > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--> > > â?oRawalbhai,> > > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My> > > son> > > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?�. -> > > -> > > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.> > > > > At one another incident he told me that there will be a plane> > > crash> > > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about> > > him.> > > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,> > > he> > > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I> > > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was> > > punctured> > > > on the way. This was surprising.> > > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super> > > power> > > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to> > > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri> > > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered> > > myself> > > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed> > > him> > > > deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his> > > grace.> > > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning> > > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was> > > waking> > > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have> > > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and> > > she> > > > argued with me a lot. â?"â?oWhy should you take such a hasty> > > decision?> > > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He> > > was a> > > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,> > > give> > > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma> > > Acharya> > > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?�--.> > > > > Her arguments were right at her place as people in general not> > > know> > > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken> > > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --> > > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling> > > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to> > > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â?"â?oSee, Mr. Patel> > > has> > > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never> > > asked> > > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house> > > within> > > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is> > > > perfect?â?�--> > > > > She laughed at meâ?"â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?�-> > > -> > > > > I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my> > > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence> > > even> > > > today.â?T> > > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the> > > > morning with angry mood. What he told?> > > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?> > > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30> > > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur> > > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts> > > house. He> > > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his> > > houseâ?�> > > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way> > > to> > > > your house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are> > > disturbing> > > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T> > > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that> > > > Morning.> > > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.> > > There> > > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will> > > write> > > > it sometime.> > > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the> > > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to> > > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.> > > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/>

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Namaste Reema ji,

 

Duality refers to a state where there are polarities and opposites. Some objects appear "beautiful" and some "ugly". Some objects and experiences give "happiness" and some "sadness". Some words are seen as "praise" and some as "criticism". Some experiences cause "pleasure" and some "pain". Some objects and experiences are seen as "desirable" and some as "undesirable". And so on.

 

Non-duality is a state where there are no such distinctions. There is just a Brahman in that state.

 

The state of non-duality is reached by people who reach nirvikalpa samadhi. Most of the time, what most people experience is the state of duality. The field of duality is the play of Shakti.

 

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Monday, November 17, 2008 11:22 AM

Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)

|| Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah ||Namaskaar Narasimha Ji,> Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but> there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based> on the force of previous conditioning. Please define dual and non-dual. Non-dual is relatively easy to fathom. Not so with the dual. Examples will help tremendously. For instance, take a certain experience and please explain how to perceive it in dual mode vis-a-vis non-dual mode. Please overlook my ignorance and guide me.With the blessings of Sri Vishnu,Reema. , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste Dinesh,> > > One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> > reincarnation of someone else,> > Your skepticism is justified.> > The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are > occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual > Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is > capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as > one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She > does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal > with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.> > > on the other hand we are all a part of Divinity> > BTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same. > In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we > have differences due to previous vasanas (conditioning), which decide what > and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is > born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. > When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of > things in the dual world that are impossible for others.> > Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but > there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based > on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one > (non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.> > But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic > point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We > should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the > same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > - > "Dinesh Nambisan" dinesh > Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM> Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today> > > || Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||> > Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how will> you distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaning> of "I"? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consider> yourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> reincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part of> Divinity, so why bother arguing over trivial things.> > What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.> Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just my> opinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...> Best,> ./Dinesh> > , "m540i98" m540i98@ wrote:> >> > Namaste> >> > Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly> > realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his> > prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed> > the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.> >> > Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev> > and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of> > river Narmada awakened his kundalini and he has described very> > accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had> > very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic> > orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web> > site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.> >> > Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna> > may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take> > more births.> >> > His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my> > lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time> > After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a> > inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with> > our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas> > or help us attach or attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint> > more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but> > manifests uniquely based on each person.> >> > I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is> > present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.> > There are many instances of other forms of inititations like> > initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of> > initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.> >> >> > After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my> > mind about him.> >> > 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many> > spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.> > 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book> > about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after that?> > 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving> > spirtual talks? It seems unusual.> >> > I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual> > state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this> > the case?> >> > May be others who have read this book can share more light.> > I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has> > time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his web> site.> >> > Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and> > upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi> > Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.> >> > I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very> > very long too and many obstacles in the path.> >> >> > Best Regards> > Mitesh> >> > , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma> > > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.> > >> > > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that> > > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about> > > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that> > > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.> > >> > > Yours,> > >> > > Utpal> > >> > > I know> > >> > >> > > , "Shiv" <theblisswithin@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ashwinji> > > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.> > > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting> > > insight.> > > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his> > > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and> > > Will,> > > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting> > > for> > > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru> > > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives> > > and> > > > gave him the work for this life.> > > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had> > > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru> > > of> > > > Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.> > > >> > > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is> > > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English> > > somewhere> > > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Shiv> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@>> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience> > > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I> > > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing> > > exactly> > > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of> > > 1973/74.> > > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.> > > > > Â> > > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near> > > Dwarka.> > > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance> > > for> > > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post> > > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some> > > Telephone> > > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)> > > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri> > > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking> > > about> > > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly> > > gathering at> > > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created> > > by> > > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna> > > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly> > > meeting> > > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30> > > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours> > > > and were talking only about Thakur.> > > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--> > > â?oRawalbhai,> > > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My> > > son> > > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?. -> > > -> > > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.> > > > > At one another incident he told me that there will be a plane> > > crash> > > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about> > > him.> > > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,> > > he> > > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I> > > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was> > > punctured> > > > on the way. This was surprising.> > > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super> > > power> > > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to> > > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri> > > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered> > > myself> > > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed> > > him> > > > deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his> > > grace.> > > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning> > > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was> > > waking> > > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have> > > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and> > > she> > > > argued with me a lot. â?"â?oWhy should you take such a hasty> > > decision?> > > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He> > > was a> > > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,> > > give> > > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma> > > Acharya> > > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?--.> > > > > Her arguments were right at her place as people in general not> > > know> > > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken> > > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --> > > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling> > > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to> > > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â?"â?oSee, Mr. Patel> > > has> > > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never> > > asked> > > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house> > > within> > > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is> > > > perfect?â?--> > > > > She laughed at meâ?"â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?-> > > -> > > > > I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my> > > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence> > > even> > > > today.â?T> > > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the> > > > morning with angry mood. What he told?> > > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?> > > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30> > > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur> > > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts> > > house. He> > > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his> > > houseâ?> > > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way> > > to> > > > your house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are> > > disturbing> > > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T> > > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that> > > > Morning.> > > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.> > > There> > > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will> > > write> > > > it sometime.> > > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the> > > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to> > > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.> > > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad

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Dear Narasimha,

I don't know if you missed my earlier message regarding Lord Caitanya philosophy which inconceivably combines the dual and non-dual conceptions.

 

"Historically, within Hinduism there are two conflicting philosophies regarding the relationship between living beings (Jiva or Atma) and God (Ishvara, Brahman or Bhagavan). Advaita schools assert the monistic view that the individual soul and God are one and the same[7], whereas Dvaita schools give the dualistic argument that the individual soul and God are eternally separate[8]. The philosophy of Achintya-bheda-abheda includes elements of both viewpoints. The living soul is intrinsically linked with the Supreme Lord, and yet at the same time is not the same as God - the exact nature of this relationship being inconceivable to the human mind."

 

In your spiritual studies have you ever come across this concept of Achintya Bheda Abheda? Here are some quick links:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achintya_Bheda_Abheda http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/bmgs/caitanya/tattva.htm For some years I have really wanted to ask your thoughts on this... Best wishes Kasim

 

 

 

 

From: pvrDate: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:19:51 -0500 Re: Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)

 

Namaste Reema ji,

 

Duality refers to a state where there are polarities and opposites. Some objects appear "beautiful" and some "ugly". Some objects and experiences give "happiness" and some "sadness". Some words are seen as "praise" and some as "criticism". Some experiences cause "pleasure" and some "pain". Some objects and experiences are seen as "desirable" and some as "undesirable". And so on.

 

Non-duality is a state where there are no such distinctions. There is just a Brahman in that state.

 

The state of non-duality is reached by people who reach nirvikalpa samadhi. Most of the time, what most people experience is the state of duality. The field of duality is the play of Shakti.

 

Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

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Reema Patel Sriganesh

Monday, November 17, 2008 11:22 AM

Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)

|| Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah ||Namaskaar Narasimha Ji,> Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but> there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based> on the force of previous conditioning. Please define dual and non-dual. Non-dual is relatively easy to fathom. Not so with the dual. Examples will help tremendously. For instance, take a certain experience and please explain how to perceive it in dual mode vis-a-vis non-dual mode. Please overlook my ignorance and guide me.With the blessings of Sri Vishnu,Reema. , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste Dinesh,> > > One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> > reincarnation of someone else,> > Your skepticism is justified.> > The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are > occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual > Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is > capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as > one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She > does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal > with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.> > > on the other hand we are all a part of Divinity> > BTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same. > In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we > have differences due to previous vasanas (conditioning), which decide what > and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is > born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. > When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of > things in the dual world that are impossible for others.> > Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but > there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based > on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one > (non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.> > But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic > point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We > should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the > same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > - > "Dinesh Nambisan" dinesh > Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM> Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today> > > || Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||> > Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how will> you distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaning> of "I"? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consider> yourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> reincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part of> Divinity, so why bother arguing over trivial things.> > What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.> Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just my> opinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...> Best,> ./Dinesh> > , "m540i98" m540i98@ wrote:> >> > Namaste> >> > Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly> > realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his> > prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed> > the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.> >> > Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev> > and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of> > river Narmada awakened his kundalini and he has described very> > accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had> > very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic> > orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web> > site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.> >> > Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna> > may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take> > more births.> >> > His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my> > lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time> > After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a> > inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with> > our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas> > or help us attach or attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint> > more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but> > manifests uniquely based on each person.> >> > I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is> > present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.> > There are many instances of other forms of inititations like> > initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of> > initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.> >> >> > After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my> > mind about him.> >> > 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many> > spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.> > 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book> > about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after that?> > 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving> > spirtual talks? It seems unusual.> >> > I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual> > state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this> > the case?> >> > May be others who have read this book can share more light.> > I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has> > time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his web> site.> >> > Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and> > upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi> > Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.> >> > I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very> > very long too and many obstacles in the path.> >> >> > Best Regards> > Mitesh> >> > , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma> > > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.> > >> > > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that> > > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about> > > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that> > > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.> > >> > > Yours,> > >> > > Utpal> > >> > > I know> > >> > >> > > , "Shiv" <theblisswithin@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ashwinji> > > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.> > > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting> > > insight.> > > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his> > > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and> > > Will,> > > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting> > > for> > > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru> > > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives> > > and> > > > gave him the work for this life.> > > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had> > > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru> > > of> > > > Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.> > > >> > > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is> > > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English> > > somewhere> > > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Shiv> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@>> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience> > > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I> > > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing> > > exactly> > > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of> > > 1973/74.> > > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.> > > > > Â> > > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near> > > Dwarka.> > > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance> > > for> > > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post> > > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some> > > Telephone> > > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)> > > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri> > > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking> > > about> > > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly> > > gathering at> > > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created> > > by> > > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna> > > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly> > > meeting> > > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30> > > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours> > > > and were talking only about Thakur.> > > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--> > > â?oRawalbhai,> > > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My> > > son> > > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?. -> > > -> > > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.> > > > > At one another incident he told me that there will be a plane> > > crash> > > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about> > > him.> > > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,> > > he> > > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I> > > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was> > > punctured> > > > on the way. This was surprising.> > > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super> > > power> > > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to> > > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri> > > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered> > > myself> > > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed> > > him> > > > deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his> > > grace.> > > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning> > > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was> > > waking> > > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have> > > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and> > > she> > > > argued with me a lot. â?"â?oWhy should you take such a hasty> > > decision?> > > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He> > > was a> > > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,> > > give> > > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma> > > Acharya> > > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?--.> > > > > Her arguments were right at her place as people in general not> > > know> > > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken> > > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --> > > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling> > > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to> > > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â?"â?oSee, Mr. Patel> > > has> > > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never> > > asked> > > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house> > > within> > > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is> > > > perfect?â?--> > > > > She laughed at meâ?"â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?-> > > -> > > > > I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my> > > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence> > > even> > > > today.â?T> > > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the> > > > morning with angry mood. What he told?> > > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?> > > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30> > > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur> > > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts> > > house. He> > > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his> > > houseâ?> > > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way> > > to> > > > your house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are> > > disturbing> > > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T> > > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that> > > > Morning.> > > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.> > > There> > > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will> > > write> > > > it sometime.> > > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the> > > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to> > > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.> > > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal AhmedabadRead amazing stories to your kids on Messenger Try it Now!