Power of Duality (Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)

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|| Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah ||Namaskaar Narasimha Ji,> Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but> there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based> on the force of previous conditioning. Please define dual and non-dual. Non-dual is relatively easy to fathom. Not so with the dual. Examples will help tremendously. For instance, take a certain experience and please explain how to perceive it in dual mode vis-a-vis non-dual mode. Please overlook my ignorance and guide me.With the blessings of Sri Vishnu,Reema. , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste Dinesh,> > > One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> > reincarnation of someone else,> > Your skepticism is justified.> > The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are > occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual > Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is > capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as > one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She > does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal > with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.> > > on the other hand we are all a part of Divinity> > BTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same. > In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we > have differences due to previous vasanas (conditioning), which decide what > and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is > born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. > When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of > things in the dual world that are impossible for others.> > Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but > there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based > on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one > (non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.> > But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic > point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We > should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the > same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > - > "Dinesh Nambisan" dinesh > Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM> Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today> > > || Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||> > Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how will> you distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaning> of "I"? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consider> yourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> reincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part of> Divinity, so why bother arguing over trivial things.> > What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.> Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just my> opinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...> Best,> ./Dinesh> > , "m540i98" m540i98@ wrote:> >> > Namaste> >> > Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly> > realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his> > prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed> > the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.> >> > Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev> > and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of> > river Narmada awakened his kundalini and he has described very> > accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had> > very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic> > orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web> > site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.> >> > Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna> > may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take> > more births.> >> > His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my> > lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time> > After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a> > inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with> > our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas> > or help us attach or attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint> > more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but> > manifests uniquely based on each person.> >> > I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is> > present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.> > There are many instances of other forms of inititations like> > initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of> > initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.> >> >> > After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my> > mind about him.> >> > 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many> > spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.> > 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book> > about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after that?> > 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving> > spirtual talks? It seems unusual.> >> > I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual> > state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this> > the case?> >> > May be others who have read this book can share more light.> > I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has> > time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his web> site.> >> > Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and> > upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi> > Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.> >> > I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very> > very long too and many obstacles in the path.> >> >> > Best Regards> > Mitesh> >> > , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma> > > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.> > >> > > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that> > > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about> > > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that> > > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.> > >> > > Yours,> > >> > > Utpal> > >> > > I know> > >> > >> > > , "Shiv" <theblisswithin@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ashwinji> > > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.> > > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting> > > insight.> > > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his> > > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and> > > Will,> > > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting> > > for> > > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru> > > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives> > > and> > > > gave him the work for this life.> > > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had> > > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru> > > of> > > > Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.> > > >> > > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is> > > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English> > > somewhere> > > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Shiv> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@>> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience> > > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I> > > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing> > > exactly> > > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of> > > 1973/74.> > > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.> > > > > Â> > > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near> > > Dwarka.> > > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance> > > for> > > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post> > > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some> > > Telephone> > > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)> > > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri> > > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking> > > about> > > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly> > > gathering at> > > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created> > > by> > > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna> > > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly> > > meeting> > > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30> > > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours> > > > and were talking only about Thakur.> > > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--> > > â?oRawalbhai,> > > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My> > > son> > > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?. -> > > -> > > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.> > > > > At one another incident he told me that there will be a plane> > > crash> > > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about> > > him.> > > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,> > > he> > > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I> > > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was> > > punctured> > > > on the way. This was surprising.> > > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super> > > power> > > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to> > > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri> > > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered> > > myself> > > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed> > > him> > > > deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his> > > grace.> > > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning> > > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was> > > waking> > > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have> > > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and> > > she> > > > argued with me a lot. â?"â?oWhy should you take such a hasty> > > decision?> > > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He> > > was a> > > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,> > > give> > > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma> > > Acharya> > > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?--.> > > > > Her arguments were right at her place as people in general not> > > know> > > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken> > > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --> > > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling> > > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to> > > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â?"â?oSee, Mr. Patel> > > has> > > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never> > > asked> > > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house> > > within> > > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is> > > > perfect?â?--> > > > > She laughed at meâ?"â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?-> > > -> > > > > I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my> > > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence> > > even> > > > today.â?T> > > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the> > > > morning with angry mood. What he told?> > > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?> > > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30> > > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur> > > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts> > > house. He> > > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his> > > houseâ?> > > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way> > > to> > > > your house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are> > > disturbing> > > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T> > > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that> > > > Morning.> > > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.> > > There> > > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will> > > write> > > > it sometime.> > > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the> > > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to> > > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.> > > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad>