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Namaste Dinesh,

 

> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a

> reincarnation of someone else,

 

Your skepticism is justified.

 

The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are

occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual

Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is

capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as

one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She

does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal

with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.

 

> on the other hand we are all a part of Divinity

 

BTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same.

In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we

have differences due to previous vasanas (conditioning), which decide what

and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is

born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world.

When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of

things in the dual world that are impossible for others.

 

Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but

there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based

on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one

(non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.

 

But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic

point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We

should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the

same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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-

" Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh

 

Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM

Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today

 

 

|| Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||

 

Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how will

you distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaning

of " I " ? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consider

yourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...

One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a

reincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part of

Divinity, so why bother arguing over trivial things.

 

What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.

Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just my

opinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...

Best,

../Dinesh

 

, " m540i98 " <m540i98 wrote:

>

> Namaste

>

> Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly

> realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his

> prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed

> the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.

>

> Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev

> and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of

> river Narmada awakened his kundalini and he has described very

> accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had

> very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic

> orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web

> site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.

>

> Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna

> may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take

> more births.

>

> His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my

> lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time

> After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a

> inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with

> our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas

> or help us attach or attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint

> more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but

> manifests uniquely based on each person.

>

> I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is

> present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.

> There are many instances of other forms of inititations like

> initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of

> initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.

>

>

> After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my

> mind about him.

>

> 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many

> spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.

> 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book

> about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after that?

> 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving

> spirtual talks? It seems unusual.

>

> I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual

> state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this

> the case?

>

> May be others who have read this book can share more light.

> I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has

> time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his web

site.

>

> Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and

> upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi

> Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.

>

> I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very

> very long too and many obstacles in the path.

>

>

> Best Regards

> Mitesh

>

> , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma

> > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.

> >

> > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that

> > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about

> > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that

> > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > Utpal

> >

> > I know

> >

> >

> > , " Shiv " <theblisswithin@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Ashwinji

> > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.

> > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting

> > insight.

> > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his

> > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and

> > Will,

> > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting

> > for

> > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru

> > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives

> > and

> > > gave him the work for this life.

> > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had

> > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru

> > of

> > > Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.

> > >

> > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is

> > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English

> > somewhere

> > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Shiv

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience

> > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I

> > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing

> > exactly

> > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of

> > 1973/74.

> > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.

> > > > Â

> > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near

> > Dwarka.

> > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance

> > for

> > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post

> > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some

> > Telephone

> > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)

> > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri

> > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking

> > about

> > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly

> > gathering at

> > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created

> > by

> > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna

> > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly

> > meeting

> > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30

> > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours

> > > and were talking only about Thakur.

> > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--

> > â?oRawalbhai,

> > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My

> > son

> > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?. -

> > -

> > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.

> > > > At one another incident he told me that there will be a plane

> > crash

> > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about

> > him.

> > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,

> > he

> > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I

> > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was

> > punctured

> > > on the way. This was surprising.

> > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super

> > power

> > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to

> > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri

> > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered

> > myself

> > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed

> > him

> > > deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his

> > grace.

> > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning

> > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was

> > waking

> > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have

> > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and

> > she

> > > argued with me a lot. â? " â?oWhy should you take such a hasty

> > decision?

> > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He

> > was a

> > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,

> > give

> > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma

> > Acharya

> > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?--.

> > > > Her arguments were right at her place as people in general not

> > know

> > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken

> > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --

> > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling

> > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to

> > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â? " â?oSee, Mr. Patel

> > has

> > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never

> > asked

> > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house

> > within

> > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is

> > > perfect?â?--

> > > > She laughed at meâ? " â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?-

> > -

> > > > I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my

> > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence

> > even

> > > today.â?T

> > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the

> > > morning with angry mood. What he told?

> > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?

> > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30

> > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur

> > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts

> > house. He

> > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his

> > houseâ?

> > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way

> > to

> > > your house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are

> > disturbing

> > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T

> > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that

> > > Morning.

> > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.

> > There

> > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will

> > write

> > > it sometime.

> > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the

> > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to

> > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.

> > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad

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Narasimha garu,

 

Namaste.

 

>> When a being like Krishna is >> born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. >> When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of >> things in the dual world that are impossible for others.

I heard Kalas in the context of moon (moon phases). Can you please explain what is meant by kalas in this context ?

 

Thanks,

Ramakrishna--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today) Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:00 AM

 

 

Namaste Dinesh,> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> reincarnation of someone else,Your skepticism is justified.The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.> on the other hand we are all a part of DivinityBTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same. In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we have differences due to previous vasanas

(conditioning) , which decide what and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of things in the dual world that are impossible for others.Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one (non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.Best

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nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh (AT) nambisan (DOT) net><>Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today|| Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how willyou distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaningof "I"? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consideryourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be areincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part ofDivinity, so

why bother arguing over trivial things.What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just myopinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...Best,./Dinesh, "m540i98" <m540i98 > wrote:>> Namaste>> Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly> realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his> prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed> the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.>> Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev> and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of> river Narmada

awakened his kundalini and he has described very> accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had> very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic> orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web> site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.>> Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna> may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take> more births.>> His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my> lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time> After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a> inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with> our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas> or help us attach or

attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint> more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but> manifests uniquely based on each person.>> I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is> present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.> There are many instances of other forms of inititations like> initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of> initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.>>> After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my> mind about him.>> 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many> spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.> 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book> about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after

that?> 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving> spirtual talks? It seems unusual.>> I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual> state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this> the case?>> May be others who have read this book can share more light.> I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has> time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his website.>> Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and> upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi> Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.>> I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very> very long too and many obstacles in the path.>>> Best Regards>

Mitesh>> , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ >> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> >> > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma> > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.> >> > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that> > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about> > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that> > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.> >> > Yours,> >> > Utpal> >> > I know> >> >> > , "Shiv"

<theblisswithin@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Respected Ashwinji> > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.> > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting> > insight.> > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his> > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and> > Will,> > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting> > for> > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru> > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives> > and> > > gave him the work for this life.> > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had> > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru> > of> >

> Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.> > >> > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is> > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English> > somewhere> > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks> > > Shiv> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ >> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience> > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I> > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing> >

exactly> > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of> > 1973/74.> > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.> > > > Â> > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near> > Dwarka.> > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance> > for> > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post> > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some> > Telephone> > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)> > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri> > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking> > about> > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly> > gathering

at> > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created> > by> > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna> > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly> > meeting> > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30> > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours> > > and were talking only about Thakur.> > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--> > â?oRawalbhai,> > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My> > son> > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?�. -> > -> > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.> > > > At one another incident he told me that there

will be a plane> > crash> > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about> > him.> > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,> > he> > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I> > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was> > punctured> > > on the way. This was surprising.> > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super> > power> > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to> > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri> > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered> > myself> > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed> > him> > >

deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his> > grace.> > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning> > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was> > waking> > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have> > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and> > she> > > argued with me a lot. â?"â?oWhy should you take such a hasty> > decision?> > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He> > was a> > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,> > give> > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma> > Acharya> > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?�--.> > > > Her arguments

were right at her place as people in general not> > know> > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken> > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --> > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling> > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to> > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â?"â?oSee, Mr. Patel> > has> > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never> > asked> > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house> > within> > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is> > > perfect?â?�--> > > > She laughed at meâ?"â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?�-> > -> > > > I

prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my> > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence> > even> > > today.â?T> > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the> > > morning with angry mood. What he told?> > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?> > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30> > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur> > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts> > house. He> > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his> > houseâ?�> > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way> > to> > > your house and pushing me too. What

you want? Why you are> > disturbing> > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T> > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that> > > Morning.> > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.> > There> > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will> > write> > > it sometime.> > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the> > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to> > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.> > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad

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Dear Ramakrishnaji

 

I had once met a very genuine sadhak for whom I have a huge amount of respect. This person was telling me about the 64 kalas. Not that I could understand everything that he was telling me, but let me try and reproduce whatever I could understand.

 

He showed me an old diagram where there was one circle that was moving out from a centre like a whirlpool with three concentric arms. Each arm was one layer of the 64 kalas. Thus in total there were 64 such "arts" placed at various places on the circle. At the centre was atmavidya.

He said these 64 represent 64 different kinds of knowledge across the three realms. A man when born in this phsyical plane, can at the maximum acquire mastery of ONLY 16 of these Kalas. It is impossible to master even one more Kala staying in this physical body. And ONLY Krishna had such a mastery.That is why he is purna avatar.

 

Even Lord Rama was not a 16 kala purna purusha. To gain mastery of one more then 16 would mean leaving the physical body and going into other subtle realms.

 

For an ordianry person, even mastery (by mastery I mean perfected knowledge) of even a few (3/4) of these Kala is an exceptional feat. Such a man is regarded as unique, genius, beyond words.

 

Now this 16/64 is theoritically the maximum knowledge of all aspects of the universe that a man can gain from his physical body. Which is roughly 1/4th.

 

While talking about this, he was also trying to explain to me how these kalas interact with tattwas, or rather how and in what degree should each tattwa interact with a person in his system for him to be able to gain mastery of any particular of these 64 kalas. Then he was talking mostlt about tattwas, and that by knowing the exact age at which a really spiritual person leaves his body, it can be ascertained whether he had use and access to tattwas beyond the 5 gross "asudha tattwas" of this physical plane of existence.

 

Anyway I know this may all sound very jumbled up and incoherent, but thats entirely because of my own limitation of understanding.

 

-Regards

Rajarshi

 

 

 

 

 

"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Ramakrishna <ramakrishna_blr wrote:

Ramakrishna <ramakrishna_blrRe: Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today) Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 11:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narasimha garu,

 

Namaste.

 

>> When a being like Krishna is >> born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. >> When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of >> things in the dual world that are impossible for others.

I heard Kalas in the context of moon (moon phases). Can you please explain what is meant by kalas in this context ?

 

Thanks,

Ramakrishna--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:00 AM

 

 

Namaste Dinesh,> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> reincarnation of someone else,Your skepticism is justified.The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.> on the other hand we are all a part of DivinityBTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same. In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we have differences due to previous vasanas

(conditioning) , which decide what and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of things in the dual world that are impossible for others.Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one (non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.Best

regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan

nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh (AT) nambisan (DOT) net><>Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today|| Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how willyou distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaningof "I"? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consideryourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be areincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part ofDivinity, so

why bother arguing over trivial things.What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just myopinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...Best,./Dinesh, "m540i98" <m540i98 > wrote:>> Namaste>> Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly> realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his> prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed> the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.>> Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev> and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of> river Narmada

awakened his kundalini and he has described very> accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had> very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic> orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web> site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.>> Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna> may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take> more births.>> His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my> lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time> After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a> inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with> our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas> or help us attach or

attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint> more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but> manifests uniquely based on each person.>> I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is> present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.> There are many instances of other forms of inititations like> initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of> initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.>>> After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my> mind about him.>> 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many> spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.> 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book> about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after

that?> 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving> spirtual talks? It seems unusual.>> I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual> state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this> the case?>> May be others who have read this book can share more light.> I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has> time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his website.>> Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and> upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi> Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.>> I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very> very long too and many obstacles in the path.>>> Best Regards>

Mitesh>> , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ >> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> >> > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma> > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.> >> > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that> > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about> > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that> > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.> >> > Yours,> >> > Utpal> >> > I know> >> >> > , "Shiv"

<theblisswithin@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Respected Ashwinji> > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.> > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting> > insight.> > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his> > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and> > Will,> > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting> > for> > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru> > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives> > and> > > gave him the work for this life.> > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had> > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru> > of> >

> Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.> > >> > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is> > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English> > somewhere> > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks> > > Shiv> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ >> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience> > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I> > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing> >

exactly> > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of> > 1973/74.> > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.> > > > Â> > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near> > Dwarka.> > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance> > for> > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post> > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some> > Telephone> > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)> > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri> > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking> > about> > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly> > gathering

at> > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created> > by> > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna> > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly> > meeting> > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30> > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours> > > and were talking only about Thakur.> > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--> > â?oRawalbhai,> > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My> > son> > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?�. -> > -> > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.> > > > At one another incident he told me that there

will be a plane> > crash> > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about> > him.> > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,> > he> > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I> > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was> > punctured> > > on the way. This was surprising.> > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super> > power> > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to> > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri> > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered> > myself> > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed> > him> > >

deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his> > grace.> > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning> > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was> > waking> > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have> > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and> > she> > > argued with me a lot. â?"â?oWhy should you take such a hasty> > decision?> > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He> > was a> > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,> > give> > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma> > Acharya> > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?�--.> > > > Her arguments

were right at her place as people in general not> > know> > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken> > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --> > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling> > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to> > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â?"â?oSee, Mr. Patel> > has> > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never> > asked> > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house> > within> > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is> > > perfect?â?�--> > > > She laughed at meâ?"â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?�-> > -> > > > I

prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my> > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence> > even> > > today.â?T> > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the> > > morning with angry mood. What he told?> > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?> > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30> > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur> > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts> > house. He> > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his> > houseâ?�> > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way> > to> > > your house and pushing me too. What

you want? Why you are> > disturbing> > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T> > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that> > > Morning.> > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.> > There> > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will> > write> > > it sometime.> > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the> > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to> > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.> > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad

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Rajarshi Ji,

 

Thank you for sharing this. Because of the number 16, I assumed it is related to moon phases and totally forgot that kala also means art.

 

I'm not sure if the 64 arts that you mentioned are the normal 64 arts mentioned in our books like singing etc or some special spiritual arts. It is quite surpising to know that even a God can't be a master of these arts when he is in the physical plane.

 

 

>> While talking about this, he was also trying to explain to me how these kalas interact >> with tattwas, or rather how and in what degree should each tattwa interact with a person >> in his system for him to be able to gain mastery of any particular of these 64 kalas.

 

This is interesting. If you have some more details on this, can you please let us know. ?

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramakrishna--- On Wed, 11/12/08, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote:

rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14Re: Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today) Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:35 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramakrishnaji

 

I had once met a very genuine sadhak for whom I have a huge amount of respect. This person was telling me about the 64 kalas. Not that I could understand everything that he was telling me, but let me try and reproduce whatever I could understand.

 

He showed me an old diagram where there was one circle that was moving out from a centre like a whirlpool with three concentric arms. Each arm was one layer of the 64 kalas. Thus in total there were 64 such "arts" placed at various places on the circle. At the centre was atmavidya.

He said these 64 represent 64 different kinds of knowledge across the three realms. A man when born in this phsyical plane, can at the maximum acquire mastery of ONLY 16 of these Kalas. It is impossible to master even one more Kala staying in this physical body. And ONLY Krishna had such a mastery.That is why he is purna avatar.

 

Even Lord Rama was not a 16 kala purna purusha. To gain mastery of one more then 16 would mean leaving the physical body and going into other subtle realms.

 

For an ordianry person, even mastery (by mastery I mean perfected knowledge) of even a few (3/4) of these Kala is an exceptional feat. Such a man is regarded as unique, genius, beyond words.

 

Now this 16/64 is theoritically the maximum knowledge of all aspects of the universe that a man can gain from his physical body. Which is roughly 1/4th.

 

While talking about this, he was also trying to explain to me how these kalas interact with tattwas, or rather how and in what degree should each tattwa interact with a person in his system for him to be able to gain mastery of any particular of these 64 kalas. Then he was talking mostlt about tattwas, and that by knowing the exact age at which a really spiritual person leaves his body, it can be ascertained whether he had use and access to tattwas beyond the 5 gross "asudha tattwas" of this physical plane of existence.

 

Anyway I know this may all sound very jumbled up and incoherent, but thats entirely because of my own limitation of understanding.

 

-Regards

Rajarshi

 

 

 

 

 

"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Ramakrishna <ramakrishna_ blr > wrote:

Ramakrishna <ramakrishna_ blr >Re: Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 11:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narasimha garu,

 

Namaste.

 

>> When a being like Krishna is >> born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. >> When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of >> things in the dual world that are impossible for others.

I heard Kalas in the context of moon (moon phases). Can you please explain what is meant by kalas in this context ?

 

Thanks,

Ramakrishna--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:00 AM

 

 

Namaste Dinesh,> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> reincarnation of someone else,Your skepticism is justified.The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.> on the other hand we are all a part of DivinityBTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same. In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we have differences due to previous vasanas

(conditioning) , which decide what and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of things in the dual world that are impossible for others.Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one (non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.Best

regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan

nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh (AT) nambisan (DOT) net><>Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today|| Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how willyou distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaningof "I"? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consideryourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be areincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part ofDivinity, so

why bother arguing over trivial things.What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just myopinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...Best,./Dinesh, "m540i98" <m540i98 > wrote:>> Namaste>> Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly> realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his> prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed> the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.>> Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev> and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of> river Narmada

awakened his kundalini and he has described very> accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had> very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic> orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web> site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.>> Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna> may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take> more births.>> His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my> lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time> After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a> inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with> our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas> or help us attach or

attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint> more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but> manifests uniquely based on each person.>> I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is> present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.> There are many instances of other forms of inititations like> initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of> initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.>>> After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my> mind about him.>> 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many> spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.> 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book> about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after

that?> 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving> spirtual talks? It seems unusual.>> I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual> state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this> the case?>> May be others who have read this book can share more light.> I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has> time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his website.>> Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and> upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi> Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.>> I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very> very long too and many obstacles in the path.>>> Best Regards>

Mitesh>> , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ >> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> >> > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma> > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.> >> > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that> > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about> > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that> > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.> >> > Yours,> >> > Utpal> >> > I know> >> >> > , "Shiv"

<theblisswithin@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Respected Ashwinji> > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.> > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting> > insight.> > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his> > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and> > Will,> > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting> > for> > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru> > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives> > and> > > gave him the work for this life.> > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had> > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru> > of> >

> Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.> > >> > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is> > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English> > somewhere> > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks> > > Shiv> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ >> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience> > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I> > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing> >

exactly> > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of> > 1973/74.> > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.> > > > Â> > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near> > Dwarka.> > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance> > for> > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post> > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some> > Telephone> > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)> > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri> > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking> > about> > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly> > gathering

at> > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created> > by> > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna> > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly> > meeting> > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30> > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours> > > and were talking only about Thakur.> > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--> > â?oRawalbhai,> > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My> > son> > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?�. -> > -> > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.> > > > At one another incident he told me that there

will be a plane> > crash> > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about> > him.> > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,> > he> > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I> > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was> > punctured> > > on the way. This was surprising.> > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super> > power> > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to> > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri> > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered> > myself> > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed> > him> > >

deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his> > grace.> > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning> > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was> > waking> > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have> > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and> > she> > > argued with me a lot. â?"â?oWhy should you take such a hasty> > decision?> > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He> > was a> > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,> > give> > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma> > Acharya> > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?�--.> > > > Her arguments

were right at her place as people in general not> > know> > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken> > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --> > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling> > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to> > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â?"â?oSee, Mr. Patel> > has> > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never> > asked> > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house> > within> > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is> > > perfect?â?�--> > > > She laughed at meâ?"â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?�-> > -> > > > I

prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my> > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence> > even> > > today.â?T> > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the> > > morning with angry mood. What he told?> > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?> > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30> > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur> > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts> > house. He> > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his> > houseâ?�> > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way> > to> > > your house and pushing me too. What

you want? Why you are> > disturbing> > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T> > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that> > > Morning.> > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.> > There> > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will> > write> > > it sometime.> > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the> > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to> > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.> > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad

 

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Dear Ramakrishnaji

 

It has been about two years since I had that conversation. And after that we had conversed on many different topics, (when I say conversation, mostly him talking I listening or asking questions). So I have forgotten large part of the conversation, I represented whatever I could assimilate and remember.

 

About tattwas he had told me that indeed everything around us is but a play of these five. During those days I used to suffer from cronic depression. He looked at me and told me, "when the jal tattwa in the body reduces compared to the agni, the jal becomes vayu and vayu increases disproportionately. This when not controlled, leads to states which modern medical science calls depression"..

I don't know if it sounds too simplistic, but that is what he had told me one day. And he had stressed that even God himself cannot have perfect mastery over more than 16 kalas when he manifests in a human form. But that itself is exceptional. No other being except for Krishna had such a state, or will ever have such a state in this cycle of creation.

 

These 64 kalas (jyotish was one of the kalas in there i remember) also relate to the 64 yognis.However the yoginis supposedly represent the raw energy associated with the kalas. Therefore, the yoginis can be VERY harmful unless one knows what one is doing. It is like raw lightning. When controlled and brought into our homes as electricity its wonderful, but when unleashed in nature, they are entirely destructive.

 

I remember whenever he was meeting someone new or in a new place, every five ten minutes he would keep staring at his own palm for a few second. Very intensely. One day I asked him, why does he do that. He said, "I check the placement and degree of the tattwas around me. The five fingers give me an indication of the tattwas at that time and place which in turn tells me everything about the person or situation around me. What has happened, what is happening and what is most likely to happen."

 

Sorry this may not be what you had wanted to know, but this is what I could remember at this moment. Most part of the conversation would fly off tangentially above my head when he used to tell me these things.

 

-Regards

Rajarshi

 

"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Wed, 12/11/08, Ramakrishna <ramakrishna_blr wrote:

Ramakrishna <ramakrishna_blrRe: Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today) Date: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008, 10:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rajarshi Ji,

 

Thank you for sharing this. Because of the number 16, I assumed it is related to moon phases and totally forgot that kala also means art.

 

I'm not sure if the 64 arts that you mentioned are the normal 64 arts mentioned in our books like singing etc or some special spiritual arts. It is quite surpising to know that even a God can't be a master of these arts when he is in the physical plane.

 

 

>> While talking about this, he was also trying to explain to me how these kalas interact >> with tattwas, or rather how and in what degree should each tattwa interact with a person >> in his system for him to be able to gain mastery of any particular of these 64 kalas.

 

This is interesting. If you have some more details on this, can you please let us know. ?

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramakrishna--- On Wed, 11/12/08, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:35 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramakrishnaji

 

I had once met a very genuine sadhak for whom I have a huge amount of respect. This person was telling me about the 64 kalas. Not that I could understand everything that he was telling me, but let me try and reproduce whatever I could understand.

 

He showed me an old diagram where there was one circle that was moving out from a centre like a whirlpool with three concentric arms. Each arm was one layer of the 64 kalas. Thus in total there were 64 such "arts" placed at various places on the circle. At the centre was atmavidya.

He said these 64 represent 64 different kinds of knowledge across the three realms. A man when born in this phsyical plane, can at the maximum acquire mastery of ONLY 16 of these Kalas. It is impossible to master even one more Kala staying in this physical body. And ONLY Krishna had such a mastery.That is why he is purna avatar.

 

Even Lord Rama was not a 16 kala purna purusha. To gain mastery of one more then 16 would mean leaving the physical body and going into other subtle realms.

 

For an ordianry person, even mastery (by mastery I mean perfected knowledge) of even a few (3/4) of these Kala is an exceptional feat. Such a man is regarded as unique, genius, beyond words.

 

Now this 16/64 is theoritically the maximum knowledge of all aspects of the universe that a man can gain from his physical body. Which is roughly 1/4th.

 

While talking about this, he was also trying to explain to me how these kalas interact with tattwas, or rather how and in what degree should each tattwa interact with a person in his system for him to be able to gain mastery of any particular of these 64 kalas. Then he was talking mostlt about tattwas, and that by knowing the exact age at which a really spiritual person leaves his body, it can be ascertained whether he had use and access to tattwas beyond the 5 gross "asudha tattwas" of this physical plane of existence.

 

Anyway I know this may all sound very jumbled up and incoherent, but thats entirely because of my own limitation of understanding.

 

-Regards

Rajarshi

 

 

 

 

 

"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Ramakrishna <ramakrishna_ blr > wrote:

Ramakrishna <ramakrishna_ blr >Re: Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 11:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narasimha garu,

 

Namaste.

 

>> When a being like Krishna is >> born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. >> When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of >> things in the dual world that are impossible for others.

I heard Kalas in the context of moon (moon phases). Can you please explain what is meant by kalas in this context ?

 

Thanks,

Ramakrishna--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Power of Duality (Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today)Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:00 AM

 

 

Namaste Dinesh,> One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be a> reincarnation of someone else,Your skepticism is justified.The duality is infinite and impossible to master. Even great jnaanis are occasionally deluded by Her power. One can understand unmanifested non-dual Brahman, but one cannot hope to understand the dual world fully ever. She is capable of deluding even the greatest sadhaka with a wrong idea as soon as one ventures into duality. She can mislead *anyone* on *anything*. What She does and why She does that is so difficult to fathom. The only way to deal with Her is to surrender to Her power *fully*.> on the other hand we are all a part of DivinityBTW, though we are all part of the same Divinity, we are all not the same. In the non-dual field, we are all the same. But, in the field of duality, we have differences due to previous vasanas

(conditioning) , which decide what and how much we can do within the dual world. When a being like Krishna is born with 16 kalas, He can do *anything* with the objects of the dual world. When a being like Sai Baba is born with 2 or 3 kalas, He can do a lot of things in the dual world that are impossible for others.Realizing the non-dual Self is something that is possible for anyone, but there are limits imposed on what things one can do in the dual world, based on the force of previous conditioning. Thus, all are the same at one (non-dual) level and all are different at another (dual) level.But it is tough to know for sure what one's caliber is. Thus, your basic point holds. But I just wanted to point that all are not indeed the same. We should be disinterested in knowing who is what, not because all are the same, but because we have no surefire way to know who is what.Best

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nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh (AT) nambisan (DOT) net><>Monday, November 10, 2008 7:54 PM Re: Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today|| Om Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantuh ||Does it matter at all who is whose reincarnation? And anyway, how willyou distinguish when *those* very folks have gone beyond the meaningof "I"? What you can only do (well, at least, IMHO) is consideryourself blessed to read about or be part of their lives...One part of me is skeptical whenever someone claims to be areincarnation of someone else, on the other hand we are all a part ofDivinity, so

why bother arguing over trivial things.What the Learned say is to pick one, and surrender yourself totally.Me, I cant figure out who to pick to surrender to... :-) Just myopinion, I could be wrong, and I say it with all due respect...Best,./Dinesh, "m540i98" <m540i98 > wrote:>> Namaste>> Both these are very credible saints. Sri Yogeshwar was a very highly> realized saint. His book is very good. He does mention about his> prevoius birth and also mentions that Saccha Baba had also confirmed> the same thing. Saccha Baba was another very highly realized saint too.>> Sri Yogeshwar had many times visions of Sai Baba of shirdi and Naamdev> and also many other saints too. The initiation he got on the bank of> river Narmada

awakened his kundalini and he has described very> accurately the state and symptoms after awekaning of kunalini. He had> very good command on all aspects of sprituality and was a fantastic> orator. His followers have done a very good job of putting up the web> site and sharing the information for free both audio and books.>> Chiti Leela or the play of Shakti or God is very complex, Ramakrishna> may have taken birth as more than one person and in future may take> more births.>> His comsic body (karan sharir) or whatever name others use pardon my> lack of appropriate word, is also alive and manifest from time to time> After reading this and other books, I feel that each one of us has a> inner guru along with our atma and this inner guru in conjunction with> our accumulated or sanchit sankaras give us visions of these mahatmas> or help us attach or

attract to a Saint or some aspects of the saint> more than others. This inner guru is the same in all humam beings but> manifests uniquely based on each person.>> I also believe that one needs to get initiated by a Guru who is> present in physical form and seek guidance from him time to time.> There are many instances of other forms of inititations like> initiation in dream or inititation by cosmic forms, these forms of> initiations though very important are very rare or uncommon.>>> After reading Sri Yogeshwar's book I had some questions pop up in my> mind about him.>> 1) What was the purpose of his birth? Yes he may have guided many> spiritual aspirants, but there has to be something more unique.> 2) Did he realize the ultimate? i.e. he keeps mentioning in the book> about it in many places? Was he satisfied? How did he feel after

that?> 3) He did pass away abruptly in bombay while in the middle of giving> spirtual talks? It seems unusual.>> I have also read somewhere that once a person reaches a spiritual> state, he cannot remain in human body for more than few days, was this> the case?>> May be others who have read this book can share more light.> I do recommend to seekers of spirutuality to read this book if one has> time, it is available for free to download as a pdf book on his website.>> Sri Ram Sharma also has done a lot of work for the betterment and> upliftment, a lot of his information is wellknown. He spread the Devi> Gayatri mantra/homa and other things in a big way all around india.>> I feel like I have not even begun my spiritual journey which is very> very long too and many obstacles in the path.>>> Best Regards>

Mitesh>> , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ >> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> >> > one Gayatri Upaasaka told me many years back that Shri Ram Sharma> > Acharya was born as Thakur Ramkrishna in previous life.> >> > Another as intresting as well as equally confusing thing is that> > Late Shri Yogeshwarji (A Gujarati yogi) had also revealtion about> > his past life and he also indirectly indicated in his biography that> > he was Thakur Ramkrishna in the previous birth.> >> > Yours,> >> > Utpal> >> > I know> >> >> > , "Shiv"

<theblisswithin@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Respected Ashwinji> > > This is a very good and inspiring thread.> > > I would like to mention something that may be an interesting> > insight.> > > You mentioned Pt Shriram Sharma Acharya. He actually said in his> > > autobiography ( Hamari Virasat aur Vasiyat, My Inheritances and> > Will,> > > loosely translated) that once when he was 14 years old and sitting> > for> > > his Morning Sandhya, a divine figure appeared, guru> > > Sarweshwaranandji. His Guru then made him realise his past lives> > and> > > gave him the work for this life.> > > He took him back as in a flash to the past. He realised that he had> > > been born as Thakur, before that Saint Kabir and before that Guru> > of> >

> Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Ramdass.> > >> > > I will try to locate the exact link and send it.The general site is> > > www.awgp.org I remember the book is there on pdf in English> > somewhere> > > online. It's in the very first few chapters.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks> > > Shiv> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ >> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience> > > about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I> > > have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing> >

exactly> > > as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of> > 1973/74.> > > Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.> > > > Â> > > > I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near> > Dwarka.> > > My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance> > for> > > extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post> > > office and due to same Depâ?Tt; I had friendship with some> > Telephone> > > operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel)> > > was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of   shri> > > Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking> > about> > > shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly> > gathering

at> > > his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created> > by> > > him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna> > > Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly> > meeting> > > on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30> > > then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours> > > and were talking only about Thakur.> > > > One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--> > â?oRawalbhai,> > > some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My> > son> > > will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go nowâ?�. -> > -> > > And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.> > > > At one another incident he told me that there

will be a plane> > crash> > > tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about> > him.> > > He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus,> > he> > > told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I> > > went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was> > punctured> > > on the way. This was surprising.> > > > This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super> > power> > > and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to> > > shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri> > > Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered> > myself> > > to Thakur at Mr. Patelâ?Ts house before Thakur picture. I prayed> > him> > >

deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his> > grace.> > > > Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning> > > while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was> > waking> > > up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have> > > accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and> > she> > > argued with me a lot. â?"â?oWhy should you take such a hasty> > decision?> > > Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He> > was a> > > great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us,> > give> > > us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma> > Acharya> > > since you are doing Gayatri Mantraâ?�--.> > > > Her arguments

were right at her place as people in general not> > know> > > much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken> > > hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --> > > > But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling> > > their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to> > > test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that â?"â?oSee, Mr. Patel> > has> > > never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never> > asked> > > me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house> > within> > > 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thakur is> > > perfect?â?�--> > > > She laughed at meâ?"â?oHow it is possible? I donâ?Tt believe.â?�-> > -> > > > I

prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my> > > decision and convince my wife. â?~I want to test your existence> > even> > > today.â?T> > > > To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the> > > morning with angry mood. What he told?> > > > â?~ How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened?> > > Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30> > > mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur> > > pulled my blanket and told me that-â?o Go to your friendâ?Ts> > house. He> > > is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his> > houseâ?�> > > > I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way> > to> > > your house and pushing me too. What

you want? Why you are> > disturbing> > > him in such an early morning for such a silly things?â?T> > > > We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words that> > > Morning.> > > > I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.> > There> > > were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will> > write> > > it sometime.> > > > Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the> > > earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to> > > exaggerate. May Shri Thakur bless all of us.> > > > Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad

 

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