Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008  Namaste, Yes, when shakti is flowing in one, such things *are* possible. If one is able to contain the shakti, it will not happen. If shakti is flowing and one is unable to contain it, such things can happen. It does seem like you have an awakened and active shakti. However, you are wise to not attribute it to yourself and try to not even think about it! Having done so much sadhana in this and prior lives to get a little bit of experience, people often let the experience bind them and block them from going further! That is sad. If one becomes possessive about an experience or thinks of it as an achievement or thinks of it as a vindication of one's superiority/progress or otherwise develops *any* kind of attachment to the experience, then one gets stuck. This is a common pitfall with various experiences. A true sadhaka should have complete surrender to the cosmic being and not allow the mind to think of *anything* as "mine" or "I did it". Any attachment or possessiveness about something - whether it is regarding a material object such as a car or a wife or a child or body or whether it is regarding some knowledge such as physics or astrology or mantra shastra or whether it is regarding an experience such as seeing a deity or talking to a deity or hearing a mantra internally or something like you described - only promotes personal ego and binds one. The only way to progress further is to reduce personal ego further and not let the mind think of anything as "mine". * * * Mind's nature is to look at the objects of the world and accumulate objects into a big pile labeled as "mine". This is very difficult to fight. When I went to India this summer, I and my guru visited several places together. When I was at a specific place, there were some nice experiences - probably my best experiences in this life so far. I realized some things. I had a strong sense of belonging and felt that that place was mine and I used that place to do much work in my past life. After feeling those emotions for a few seconds, I immediately realized my folly. Forget the past life, even my body, my belongings, my achievements and my actions in *this* life are all not really mine. They belong to Her and I am just a temporary caretaker, like a servant takes care of the properties of a rich landlord. The goal of sadhana is to cut off the remaining ego and attachment so that that realization becomes complete. Given that, what is the point is bloating that ego by digging previous attachments that were long forgotten? Whatever I was in the last life, whatever I built and whatever I did is not mine. It was not mine then and it is not mine now. She did it using me then and it was surrendered to Her. It is Hers even now. Once this confusion cleared, I could focus and have a nice meditation session. One should be very vigilant about the kind of thoughts that enter mind. A feeble thought today, when not checked carefully, may become a strong thought later and cause problems. In your case, please do not think about your experience and keep focusing on the sound of the mantra or on a vision of deity. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - nalini swamy Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:29 PM Re: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya- Narasimha garu Dear Narasimha ji, Namaskar. I am happy that something *positive* emerged!!! Thank you for your guidance, one other thing I wished to ask you and would you please answer if time permits? One of my friends accidently touched the chair I was sitting in and felt a jolt of charge a few days back but I did not attribute it to myself. A couple of days back she casually touched me on the shoulder and immediately retracted it saying it was like touching a live wire. Is it also due to the experiencing of the mantra? Sorry to have asked you to interpret personal experiences but I am clueless and highly appreciative of the enormous *knowledge* of practise of spirituality you have rather than mere mouthing of wis(e)dom we get to see these days, Regards Nalini Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Sent: Thursday, 6 November, 2008 5:00:49 PM Re: Regarding Brahamcharya  Namaste Nalini ji, Most people do not experience a mantra. They just mechanically chant it and nothing happens. What you described tells me that you were able to experience the manta to some extent. That is a good sign. Though I have never done the mantra you mentioned, from the name, I would imagine that this mantra makes energy flow in pingala nadi. Different mantras, when they work, force energy to flow in different subtle channel of energy flow in our subtle body, resulting in the perception of a different "experience" to "self". Some mantras (e.g. tryambakam yajaamahe) are extremely cooling and made energy flow in Ida (Chandra) nadi. Some mantras (e.g. Savitri Gayatri) make it flow in Pingala (Surya) nadi. When merely some vaayu (movement of air) enters a nadi also, there is some experience. When the entire energy of self-awareness (aka Kundalini) enters a nadi, it is a very powerful experience and one's perception of self alters drastically. There are thousands of nadis in the body and thousands of possible experiences. The key is to NOT be distracted by the experience. Mystical experiences are signs of spiritual progress, but they are also traps where we can get stuck (i.e. not progress further). Do not think much about the experience. In a normal wakeful experience, our senses perceive various objects of the external world. We know that all that is just superficial and the reality within all of them (i.e. Brahman) is imperceptible to senses. Similarly, whatever our inward-directed senses perceive (e.g. vision of a being, sound of a mantra, feeling of heat from fire engulfing one etc) in an intense meditation session is ALSO superficial (though perhaps less superficial than the objects we see in the external world usually) and the reality within those experiences (i.e. Brahman) is experienced only when you transcend the superficial sense experiences. While it is difficult, the right thing to do when you feel like you described is to ignore it and keep the intense mental focus on the mantra or on the deity. The good thing is that your experience is a sign of spiritual progress and the bad thing is that it can distract you from the final goal. Feeling hot while and *after* meditation and fighting are signs of some diturbation in the pingala nadi. When the corresponding karmas are flushed out of the system, things may be fine. I am not really knowledgeable. With my guru's blessings, I have experienced some things and realized some things. Then he told me to not hold back and boldly declare answers to questions on spirituality and religion as if I just know. I just follow his word and do as he said. It is upto my guru and the Mother to impregnate my words with meaning as they are received by people. From my end, I just type out whatever comes to my mind... Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - rajarshi nandy Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:19 AM Re: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya Dear Nalini Sorry for interrupting in your question to Narasimha.Your mail reminded me of a similar incident. I have a friend who does very severe japa of a mantra she had recieved in a dream. It was a strange dream where she saw a little girl, naked, come and sit on her lap and when she asked teh girl who she (the girl) was, the reply came in sanskrit. Now my friend does not know or even understand Sanskrit, so she could not understand what the girl was saying. Then after some time the girl in the dream kept repeating what sounded like a mantra in her ears. From next day morning my friend started chanting that mantra, after about one and half years of chanting recently she did a sankalpa for chanting and had experinces similar to the kind u described. She felt her whole body was internally burning, though there was no fever. Her relation with her mom started getting bitter with constant fights etc.. Later after some days it reduced again. I think this maybe a way the karmas are cut off from you. I am not sure of course, Narasimha can tell you better. He much more knowledgeable in these things. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 4/11/08, nalini swamy <nalini2818 > wrote: nalini swamy <nalini2818 >Re: Re: Regarding BrahamcharyaTuesday, 4 November, 2008, 3:58 PM Dear All, Namaskar. Yes, indeed. I had a doubt that I wanted to ask Narasimha garu. I recited Sree Hanumathbadabanala stotram some time back. I had an unusual experience of 'being on fire', during the initial stages. It was as if I was engulfed in a ball of fire, which slowly receded over time. I had a similar experience during the Navaratri puja when reciting Devi kavacham. I still have that feeling of an aura of fire around me and feel extremely hot and sweat even in the cold weather. This stays on for a time. I also had to face extreme circumstances in 'relationships' that matter to me and there is a steady deterioration, almost as if a heavy veil has been torn asunder. I vaguely remember Narasimha ji telling us in some forum that there might be some ramifications relating to karma that could manifest when/ after sadhana/worship. Could you please clarify, Narasimha garu? Regards Nalini rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Tuesday, 4 November, 2008 5:36:52 PMRe: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya Dear All, Excellent chain of mails indeed, including the metion and significance of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overcome lust. This is indeed one of the finest internet forums. May Narasimhaji and the other learned members keep up the good work, there is so much that ordinary people like me get to learn just by reading these mails!. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Regarding BrahamcharyaTuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM Guys,I am glad everything is sorted out. But, in general, let us be less defensive and instead focus on subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew exactly what he meant. However, even if Ajit or someone actually said something negative about me, it is not a big deal. One is who one is and words, good or bad, do not change that, for better or worse. Why be sensitive to words then?Ajit, you are certainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that you have tremendous scholarship, great humility and sincerity. People far less qualified than you talk/write so much in today's world. Please do write more.The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story mentioned by you is really nice!Friends,Lord Hanuman is one who fully overcame lust. He can be worshipped for giving self-control.Lord Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha = lord of senses). He can be worshipped for control over senses.Mother Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be worshipped for getting rid of desires.Several things are possible. But, for most people in today's times, it is not going to be one magic bullet that does it, but a combination of various practices. Patience is needed.Try to increase the understanding of what is permanent and what is transient.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ ><>Monday, November 03, 2008 9:39 PM Re: Regarding Brahamcharya> Namaste,>> Please accept my sincere apology as I misunderstood it completely.>> Best Regrads,>> utpal>> , "Ajit Krishnan"> <ajit.krishnan@ ...> wrote:>>>> namaste,>>>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?>> Re-reading the formatting of my response, the question is> justified. I meant>> that _my comments_ are a case of the blind leading the blind,> since I am not>> qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to question>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for any confusion.>>>> bhavadIyaH,>>>> ajit>>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak> <vedic_pathak@ ...>wrote:>>>> > Namaste,>> >>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?>> >>> > There are many ways to fight desires, especially Lust for> *Sambhog*>> >>> > what you suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact> everybody>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is. it is> like>> > tsunami which has a capability to sweep off the feat, even the>> > Saints if they are not vigilant.>> >>> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires> to>> > attack the lust from all sides to really overcome and destroy.>> >>> > If some one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips> are->> >>> > - Cold water Bath>> > - No Onion, Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very Hot> food.>> > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)>> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas>> > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan>> > - Prohibition of seeing TV Channels and Movies>> > - Thinking mentally that all women are Sisters/Mothers>> >>> > Above all, Prayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the> key.>> > without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire>> > completely.>> >>> > efforts, efforts and efforts.... prayers, prayers and> prayers...cry>> > and then one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.>> >>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through thousand>> > stumbles" - no need to lose heart.>> >>> > warm regards,>> >>> > utpal>> >>> > , "Ajit Krishnan">> > <ajit.krishnan@ > wrote:>> > >>> > > namaste,>> > >>> > > I apologize for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the>> > blind leading>> > > the blind.>> > >>> > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in> overcoming>> > the basic>> > > ...>> > > > True, suppressing desire will make the desire come back> later.>> > But, if one>> > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the> nature>> > of desire.>> > >>> > >>> > > One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which is a> purana>> > about>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8>> > demons: envy,>> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, desire, "my-ness" and pride. In> the>> > chapter>> > > where Ganesha destroys the "desire demon", the demon is> described>> > as having>> > > two children -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries>> > things up />> > > destroys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.>> > >>> > > Satisfying desire always results in fanning the fire of desire.>> > And in the>> > > process, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,> one>> > feel's>> > > guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally feels like it> is>> > drying up.>> > >>> > > Ganesha comes to uproot the "desire demon" as the>> > avatAra "vikaTa", which>> > > means "one who is horrible / monstrous". The purana explains> that>> > we have to>> > > see things "as they are". To do this, we should think of> desired>> > objects, as>> > > something horrible. The desire falls away, and we will be able> to>> > see>> > > Ganesha in his vikaTa form.>> > >>> > > This technique is described in Shankaracharya' s famous> stotra "moha>> > > mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". This is also> known>> > as "bhaja>> > > govindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember>> > that the>> > > female form is merely a modification (rather a horrible>> > contortion) of flesh>> > > and fat.>> > >>> > > Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the world, and shows> it>> > as it is,>> > > contorted and un-deserving of desire.>> > >>> > > bhavadIyaH,>> > >>> > > ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Naliniji, I would like to know what Mantra you are chanting, if you don't mind.ThanksDr.Ashwin Rawal--- On Mon, 10/11/08, nalini swamy <nalini2818 wrote: nalini swamy <nalini2818Re: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya- Narasimha garu Date: Monday, 10 November, 2008, 9:59 AM Dear Narasimha ji, Namaskar. I am happy that something *positive* emerged!!! Thank you for your guidance, one other thing I wished to ask you and would you please answer if time permits? One of my friends accidently touched the chair I was sitting in and felt a jolt of charge a few days back but I did not attribute it to myself. A couple of days back she casually touched me on the shoulder and immediately retracted it saying it was like touching a live wire. Is it also due to the experiencing of the mantra? Sorry to have asked you to interpret personal experiences but I am clueless and highly appreciative of the enormous *knowledge* of practise of spirituality you have rather than mere mouthing of wis(e)dom we get to see these days, Regards Nalini Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>Thursday, 6 November, 2008 5:00:49 PM Re: Regarding Brahamcharya  Namaste Nalini ji, Most people do not experience a mantra. They just mechanically chant it and nothing happens. What you described tells me that you were able to experience the manta to some extent. That is a good sign. Though I have never done the mantra you mentioned, from the name, I would imagine that this mantra makes energy flow in pingala nadi. Different mantras, when they work, force energy to flow in different subtle channel of energy flow in our subtle body, resulting in the perception of a different "experience" to "self". Some mantras (e.g. tryambakam yajaamahe) are extremely cooling and made energy flow in Ida (Chandra) nadi. Some mantras (e.g. Savitri Gayatri) make it flow in Pingala (Surya) nadi. When merely some vaayu (movement of air) enters a nadi also, there is some experience. When the entire energy of self-awareness (aka Kundalini) enters a nadi, it is a very powerful experience and one's perception of self alters drastically. There are thousands of nadis in the body and thousands of possible experiences. The key is to NOT be distracted by the experience. Mystical experiences are signs of spiritual progress, but they are also traps where we can get stuck (i.e. not progress further). Do not think much about the experience. In a normal wakeful experience, our senses perceive various objects of the external world. We know that all that is just superficial and the reality within all of them (i.e. Brahman) is imperceptible to senses. Similarly, whatever our inward-directed senses perceive (e.g. vision of a being, sound of a mantra, feeling of heat from fire engulfing one etc) in an intense meditation session is ALSO superficial (though perhaps less superficial than the objects we see in the external world usually) and the reality within those experiences (i.e. Brahman) is experienced only when you transcend the superficial sense experiences. While it is difficult, the right thing to do when you feel like you described is to ignore it and keep the intense mental focus on the mantra or on the deity. The good thing is that your experience is a sign of spiritual progress and the bad thing is that it can distract you from the final goal. Feeling hot while and *after* meditation and fighting are signs of some diturbation in the pingala nadi. When the corresponding karmas are flushed out of the system, things may be fine. I am not really knowledgeable. With my guru's blessings, I have experienced some things and realized some things. Then he told me to not hold back and boldly declare answers to questions on spirituality and religion as if I just know. I just follow his word and do as he said. It is upto my guru and the Mother to impregnate my words with meaning as they are received by people. From my end, I just type out whatever comes to my mind... Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - rajarshi nandy Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:19 AM Re: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya Dear Nalini Sorry for interrupting in your question to Narasimha.Your mail reminded me of a similar incident. I have a friend who does very severe japa of a mantra she had recieved in a dream. It was a strange dream where she saw a little girl, naked, come and sit on her lap and when she asked teh girl who she (the girl) was, the reply came in sanskrit. Now my friend does not know or even understand Sanskrit, so she could not understand what the girl was saying. Then after some time the girl in the dream kept repeating what sounded like a mantra in her ears. From next day morning my friend started chanting that mantra, after about one and half years of chanting recently she did a sankalpa for chanting and had experinces similar to the kind u described. She felt her whole body was internally burning, though there was no fever. Her relation with her mom started getting bitter with constant fights etc.. Later after some days it reduced again. I think this maybe a way the karmas are cut off from you. I am not sure of course, Narasimha can tell you better. He much more knowledgeable in these things. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 4/11/08, nalini swamy <nalini2818 > wrote: nalini swamy <nalini2818 >Re: Re: Regarding BrahamcharyaTuesday, 4 November, 2008, 3:58 PM Dear All, Namaskar. Yes, indeed. I had a doubt that I wanted to ask Narasimha garu. I recited Sree Hanumathbadabanala stotram some time back. I had an unusual experience of 'being on fire', during the initial stages. It was as if I was engulfed in a ball of fire, which slowly receded over time. I had a similar experience during the Navaratri puja when reciting Devi kavacham. I still have that feeling of an aura of fire around me and feel extremely hot and sweat even in the cold weather. This stays on for a time. I also had to face extreme circumstances in 'relationships' that matter to me and there is a steady deterioration, almost as if a heavy veil has been torn asunder. I vaguely remember Narasimha ji telling us in some forum that there might be some ramifications relating to karma that could manifest when/ after sadhana/worship. Could you please clarify, Narasimha garu? Regards Nalini rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Tuesday, 4 November, 2008 5:36:52 PMRe: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya Dear All, Excellent chain of mails indeed, including the metion and significance of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overcome lust. This is indeed one of the finest internet forums. May Narasimhaji and the other learned members keep up the good work, there is so much that ordinary people like me get to learn just by reading these mails!. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Regarding BrahamcharyaTuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM Guys,I am glad everything is sorted out. But, in general, let us be less defensive and instead focus on subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew exactly what he meant. However, even if Ajit or someone actually said something negative about me, it is not a big deal. One is who one is and words, good or bad, do not change that, for better or worse. Why be sensitive to words then?Ajit, you are certainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that you have tremendous scholarship, great humility and sincerity. People far less qualified than you talk/write so much in today's world. Please do write more.The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story mentioned by you is really nice!Friends,Lord Hanuman is one who fully overcame lust. He can be worshipped for giving self-control.Lord Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha = lord of senses). He can be worshipped for control over senses.Mother Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be worshipped for getting rid of desires.Several things are possible. But, for most people in today's times, it is not going to be one magic bullet that does it, but a combination of various practices. Patience is needed.Try to increase the understanding of what is permanent and what is transient.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ ><>Monday, November 03, 2008 9:39 PM Re: Regarding Brahamcharya> Namaste,>> Please accept my sincere apology as I misunderstood it completely.>> Best Regrads,>> utpal>> , "Ajit Krishnan"> <ajit.krishnan@ ...> wrote:>>>> namaste,>>>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?>> Re-reading the formatting of my response, the question is> justified. I meant>> that _my comments_ are a case of the blind leading the blind,> since I am not>> qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to question>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for any confusion.>>>> bhavadIyaH,>>>> ajit>>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak> <vedic_pathak@ ...>wrote:>>>> > Namaste,>> >>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?>> >>> > There are many ways to fight desires, especially Lust for> *Sambhog*>> >>> > what you suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact> everybody>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is. it is> like>> > tsunami which has a capability to sweep off the feat, even the>> > Saints if they are not vigilant.>> >>> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires> to>> > attack the lust from all sides to really overcome and destroy.>> >>> > If some one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips> are->> >>> > - Cold water Bath>> > - No Onion, Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very Hot> food.>> > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)>> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas>> > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan>> > - Prohibition of seeing TV Channels and Movies>> > - Thinking mentally that all women are Sisters/Mothers>> >>> > Above all, Prayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the> key.>> > without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire>> > completely.>> >>> > efforts, efforts and efforts.... prayers, prayers and> prayers...cry>> > and then one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.>> >>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through thousand>> > stumbles" - no need to lose heart.>> >>> > warm regards,>> >>> > utpal>> >>> > , "Ajit Krishnan">> > <ajit.krishnan@ > wrote:>> > >>> > > namaste,>> > >>> > > I apologize for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the>> > blind leading>> > > the blind.>> > >>> > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in> overcoming>> > the basic>> > > ...>> > > > True, suppressing desire will make the desire come back> later.>> > But, if one>> > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the> nature>> > of desire.>> > >>> > >>> > > One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which is a> purana>> > about>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8>> > demons: envy,>> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, desire, "my-ness" and pride. In> the>> > chapter>> > > where Ganesha destroys the "desire demon", the demon is> described>> > as having>> > > two children -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries>> > things up />> > > destroys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.>> > >>> > > Satisfying desire always results in fanning the fire of desire.>> > And in the>> > > process, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,> one>> > feel's>> > > guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally feels like it> is>> > drying up.>> > >>> > > Ganesha comes to uproot the "desire demon" as the>> > avatAra "vikaTa", which>> > > means "one who is horrible / monstrous". The purana explains> that>> > we have to>> > > see things "as they are". To do this, we should think of> desired>> > objects, as>> > > something horrible. The desire falls away, and we will be able> to>> > see>> > > Ganesha in his vikaTa form.>> > >>> > > This technique is described in Shankaracharya' s famous> stotra "moha>> > > mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". This is also> known>> > as "bhaja>> > > govindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember>> > that the>> > > female form is merely a modification (rather a horrible>> > contortion) of flesh>> > > and fat.>> > >>> > > Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the world, and shows> it>> > as it is,>> > > contorted and un-deserving of desire.>> > >>> > > bhavadIyaH,>> > >>> > > ajitStay informed with Xtra News Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Resp Ashwini ji, Namaskar. As Narasimha ji said earlier I believe that the manner/shraddha /faith in chanting would confer more *blessings* apart from the mantra itself. I have been drawn to certain mantras and I dont know why. They give me a feeling that I am familiart with them and am comfortable with them. Though I dont know much Sanskrit( apart from being able to read and basics) I can *feel* the flow even during the first reciting. Some have just *come* to me like wanting to worship a certain manifestation and stumbling upon the means to do so and I always considered it as being the *ajna* of The Mother. The worship during Navaratras was Devi Kavacham, Durga Ashtottaram and Devi Khadgamala which I did each day apart from Lalita Shasranamam etc. As I always associated mantras and worship with music I do it musically, a real boon for me as it gives me the ananda that is beyond words. During the Navaratras in 2006, I chanted the Hanumathvadabanala stotram and Nrusimha Kavacham(prahlada's stuti) at sunset. That was when I was very ill with a debilitating lung condition. If I am alive today it is Her Will, as I always believe, Mother Thy Will be done. I am attaching the two stotras please do have a look, the others are easy to find on the net and Devi kavacham is on Narasimha ji's site as part of Saptashati But I truly believe that you are most fortunate and blessed to have experienced Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's *miracles*. With kind regards, Nalini Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal Sent: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008 6:29:06 AMRe: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya- Narasimha garu Naliniji, I would like to know what Mantra you are chanting, if you don't mind.ThanksDr.Ashwin Rawal--- On Mon, 10/11/08, nalini swamy <nalini2818 > wrote: nalini swamy <nalini2818 >Re: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya- Narasimha garuMonday, 10 November, 2008, 9:59 AM Dear Narasimha ji, Namaskar. I am happy that something *positive* emerged!!! Thank you for your guidance, one other thing I wished to ask you and would you please answer if time permits? One of my friends accidently touched the chair I was sitting in and felt a jolt of charge a few days back but I did not attribute it to myself. A couple of days back she casually touched me on the shoulder and immediately retracted it saying it was like touching a live wire. Is it also due to the experiencing of the mantra? Sorry to have asked you to interpret personal experiences but I am clueless and highly appreciative of the enormous *knowledge* of practise of spirituality you have rather than mere mouthing of wis(e)dom we get to see these days, Regards Nalini Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>Thursday, 6 November, 2008 5:00:49 PM Re: Regarding Brahamcharya  Namaste Nalini ji, Most people do not experience a mantra. They just mechanically chant it and nothing happens. What you described tells me that you were able to experience the manta to some extent. That is a good sign. Though I have never done the mantra you mentioned, from the name, I would imagine that this mantra makes energy flow in pingala nadi. Different mantras, when they work, force energy to flow in different subtle channel of energy flow in our subtle body, resulting in the perception of a different "experience" to "self". Some mantras (e.g. tryambakam yajaamahe) are extremely cooling and made energy flow in Ida (Chandra) nadi. Some mantras (e.g. Savitri Gayatri) make it flow in Pingala (Surya) nadi. When merely some vaayu (movement of air) enters a nadi also, there is some experience. When the entire energy of self-awareness (aka Kundalini) enters a nadi, it is a very powerful experience and one's perception of self alters drastically. There are thousands of nadis in the body and thousands of possible experiences. The key is to NOT be distracted by the experience. Mystical experiences are signs of spiritual progress, but they are also traps where we can get stuck (i.e. not progress further). Do not think much about the experience. In a normal wakeful experience, our senses perceive various objects of the external world. We know that all that is just superficial and the reality within all of them (i.e. Brahman) is imperceptible to senses. Similarly, whatever our inward-directed senses perceive (e.g. vision of a being, sound of a mantra, feeling of heat from fire engulfing one etc) in an intense meditation session is ALSO superficial (though perhaps less superficial than the objects we see in the external world usually) and the reality within those experiences (i.e. Brahman) is experienced only when you transcend the superficial sense experiences. While it is difficult, the right thing to do when you feel like you described is to ignore it and keep the intense mental focus on the mantra or on the deity. The good thing is that your experience is a sign of spiritual progress and the bad thing is that it can distract you from the final goal. Feeling hot while and *after* meditation and fighting are signs of some diturbation in the pingala nadi. When the corresponding karmas are flushed out of the system, things may be fine. I am not really knowledgeable. With my guru's blessings, I have experienced some things and realized some things. Then he told me to not hold back and boldly declare answers to questions on spirituality and religion as if I just know. I just follow his word and do as he said. It is upto my guru and the Mother to impregnate my words with meaning as they are received by people. From my end, I just type out whatever comes to my mind... Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - rajarshi nandy Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:19 AM Re: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya Dear Nalini Sorry for interrupting in your question to Narasimha.Your mail reminded me of a similar incident. I have a friend who does very severe japa of a mantra she had recieved in a dream. It was a strange dream where she saw a little girl, naked, come and sit on her lap and when she asked teh girl who she (the girl) was, the reply came in sanskrit. Now my friend does not know or even understand Sanskrit, so she could not understand what the girl was saying. Then after some time the girl in the dream kept repeating what sounded like a mantra in her ears. From next day morning my friend started chanting that mantra, after about one and half years of chanting recently she did a sankalpa for chanting and had experinces similar to the kind u described. She felt her whole body was internally burning, though there was no fever. Her relation with her mom started getting bitter with constant fights etc.. Later after some days it reduced again. I think this maybe a way the karmas are cut off from you. I am not sure of course, Narasimha can tell you better. He much more knowledgeable in these things. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 4/11/08, nalini swamy <nalini2818 > wrote: nalini swamy <nalini2818 >Re: Re: Regarding BrahamcharyaTuesday, 4 November, 2008, 3:58 PM Dear All, Namaskar. Yes, indeed. I had a doubt that I wanted to ask Narasimha garu. I recited Sree Hanumathbadabanala stotram some time back. I had an unusual experience of 'being on fire', during the initial stages. It was as if I was engulfed in a ball of fire, which slowly receded over time. I had a similar experience during the Navaratri puja when reciting Devi kavacham. I still have that feeling of an aura of fire around me and feel extremely hot and sweat even in the cold weather. This stays on for a time. I also had to face extreme circumstances in 'relationships' that matter to me and there is a steady deterioration, almost as if a heavy veil has been torn asunder. I vaguely remember Narasimha ji telling us in some forum that there might be some ramifications relating to karma that could manifest when/ after sadhana/worship. Could you please clarify, Narasimha garu? Regards Nalini rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Tuesday, 4 November, 2008 5:36:52 PMRe: Re: Regarding Brahamcharya Dear All, Excellent chain of mails indeed, including the metion and significance of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overcome lust. This is indeed one of the finest internet forums. May Narasimhaji and the other learned members keep up the good work, there is so much that ordinary people like me get to learn just by reading these mails!. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Regarding BrahamcharyaTuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM Guys,I am glad everything is sorted out. But, in general, let us be less defensive and instead focus on subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew exactly what he meant. However, even if Ajit or someone actually said something negative about me, it is not a big deal. One is who one is and words, good or bad, do not change that, for better or worse. Why be sensitive to words then?Ajit, you are certainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that you have tremendous scholarship, great humility and sincerity. People far less qualified than you talk/write so much in today's world. Please do write more.The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story mentioned by you is really nice!Friends,Lord Hanuman is one who fully overcame lust. He can be worshipped for giving self-control.Lord Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha = lord of senses). He can be worshipped for control over senses.Mother Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be worshipped for getting rid of desires.Several things are possible. But, for most people in today's times, it is not going to be one magic bullet that does it, but a combination of various practices. Patience is needed.Try to increase the understanding of what is permanent and what is transient.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ ><>Monday, November 03, 2008 9:39 PM Re: Regarding Brahamcharya> Namaste,>> Please accept my sincere apology as I misunderstood it completely.>> Best Regrads,>> utpal>> , "Ajit Krishnan"> <ajit.krishnan@ ...> wrote:>>>> namaste,>>>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?>> Re-reading the formatting of my response, the question is> justified. I meant>> that _my comments_ are a case of the blind leading the blind,> since I am not>> qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to question>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for any confusion.>>>> bhavadIyaH,>>>> ajit>>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak> <vedic_pathak@ ...>wrote:>>>> > Namaste,>> >>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?>> >>> > There are many ways to fight desires, especially Lust for> *Sambhog*>> >>> > what you suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact> everybody>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is. it is> like>> > tsunami which has a capability to sweep off the feat, even the>> > Saints if they are not vigilant.>> >>> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires> to>> > attack the lust from all sides to really overcome and destroy.>> >>> > If some one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips> are->> >>> > - Cold water Bath>> > - No Onion, Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very Hot> food.>> > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)>> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas>> > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan>> > - Prohibition of seeing TV Channels and Movies>> > - Thinking mentally that all women are Sisters/Mothers>> >>> > Above all, Prayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the> key.>> > without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire>> > completely.>> >>> > efforts, efforts and efforts.... prayers, prayers and> prayers...cry>> > and then one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.>> >>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through thousand>> > stumbles" - no need to lose heart.>> >>> > warm regards,>> >>> > utpal>> >>> > , "Ajit Krishnan">> > <ajit.krishnan@ > wrote:>> > >>> > > namaste,>> > >>> > > I apologize for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the>> > blind leading>> > > the blind.>> > >>> > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in> overcoming>> > the basic>> > > ...>> > > > True, suppressing desire will make the desire come back> later.>> > But, if one>> > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the> nature>> > of desire.>> > >>> > >>> > > One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which is a> purana>> > about>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8>> > demons: envy,>> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, desire, "my-ness" and pride. In> the>> > chapter>> > > where Ganesha destroys the "desire demon", the demon is> described>> > as having>> > > two children -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries>> > things up />> > > destroys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.>> > >>> > > Satisfying desire always results in fanning the fire of desire.>> > And in the>> > > process, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,> one>> > feel's>> > > guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally feels like it> is>> > drying up.>> > >>> > > Ganesha comes to uproot the "desire demon" as the>> > avatAra "vikaTa", which>> > > means "one who is horrible / monstrous". The purana explains> that>> > we have to>> > > see things "as they are". To do this, we should think of> desired>> > objects, as>> > > something horrible. The desire falls away, and we will be able> to>> > see>> > > Ganesha in his vikaTa form.>> > >>> > > This technique is described in Shankaracharya' s famous> stotra "moha>> > > mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". This is also> known>> > as "bhaja>> > > govindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember>> > that the>> > > female form is merely a modification (rather a horrible>> > contortion) of flesh>> > > and fat.>> > >>> > > Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the world, and shows> it>> > as it is,>> > > contorted and un-deserving of desire.>> > >>> > > bhavadIyaH,>> > >>> > > ajitStay informed with Xtra News Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Stay informed with Xtra News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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