Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Namaste friends, > in fact, it's seen that sometimes sages are not > understood by their desciples, may be same w'd have happened in > kanchi. Please allow me to blabber and give my 2 cents of thoughts on this non-astrological topic. There is no doubt that Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati was a fully self-realized and liberated sage. However, I urge respected members to not jump to any conclusions regarding the current pontiff. Two liberated sages do not act the same way. It depends on the actions destined for them by poorva vasanas and desa-kaala-paatra. One liberated sage may rule a big country (like king Janaka). Another liberated sage may roam forests. Another liberated sage may be involved in the politics of a country and guide a king as the royal guru (like Samartha Ramadas). You cannot identify a liberated sage from what one does or does not. In fact, you cannot identify a liberated sage unless you too have progressed. All people are all like pawns in a chess game. The Mother is the master chess player who is moving all these pawns from one square to another and pitting one against another. Most people are akin to pawns that are always worried about where they are going to go next. When a pawn kills the rook, it gets excited. When it is attacked by the opposite pawn, it gets depressed. A liberated sage is like a pawn that moves as the player (Mother) decides and does not worry much - a pawn that is neither excited nor depressed. Thus, you cannot really identify a liberated sage by what one does or does not. It is possible that the current pontiff is not deviating from his guru's path because he did not "understand" his guru, as you say. It is possible that his destiny and path are simply different. He is living in different times and the Mother's plans for him, his mutt and his country may be different now. It is not good to think negatively about a liberated sage. Please note that the current pontiff belongs to a lineage starting from Adi Sankara and that he was picked and guided by Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati. There may be events that may make you think that there were differences of opinion between the two. But it may all be Her Lila. Please do not jump to any conclusions about the current pontiff and give due respect to him! Best regards,Narasimha-------------------------------Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Spirituality: Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- vedic astrology , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> Resp. Panditji,> > Thanx for the information given about Shri. Chandrasekarendra > Saraswathi , in fact, it's seen that sometimes sages are not > understood by their desciples, may be same w'd have happened in > kanchi.> > I m happy to know about Shri. Chandrasekarendra SaraswathiJi.> > regards,> Lalit.> > vedic astrology , "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:> >> > Dear Shri. Lalith:> > > > I am sorry for jutting in between Abhishekji and yourself......> > > > Abhishekji is referring to the previous Pontiff Shri. > > Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi who never indulged in any politics. > He > > had the utmost respect to other Shankaraachaaryaas, and in turn > they > > also had goodwill towards Him. That Pontiff was in the best of > terms > > with almost all religious leaders....He respected their > sovereignity > > over regions, and the Great Saint was known to avoid using > palanquins > > in the regions that are under the Pontiffdom of other > > JagatGurus.....such was his expression of reverence to other Mutt > > Heads.....In fact, He was the only Hindu religious leader who was > met > > by Dalai Laama Himself, and the two Religious Heads had a wonderful > > discussion lasting for more than 3 hours......the first instance of > a > > Buddhist Head and Advaita Muttaadhipathi holding such personal > > conferences in many centuries! His Holiness Chandrasekarar was > beyond > > reproach......> > > > For reasons best known to the current Pontiff, the present > incumbent > > chose to tread a different path from his predecessor and paid the > > price of it severely, and also the mutt's prestige suffered in the > > process (arrests, cases, allegations of misbehaviour, and what > > not.....true or not....these have definitely pained millions of > > ardent devotees who cannot bear the condition to which the Hoary > Mutt > > has been dragged due to recent controversies!)> > > > I am myself one of the recipients of His Holiness Chandrasekarar's > > Grace.....His very Glance and Presence dispels many doubs....I have > > had my spiritual queries answered by that Jagat Guru without having > > to open my mouth in His presence! Not merely myself, it is the > > experience of many devotees.....He was definitely an avatar in His > > own right.> > > > We are all Blessed in that in the past 10 centuries, we have had > some > > wonderful Godly Men treading our Holy land.....starting from > > Maadhwaachaarya, Raamanujar, Shrimad Vedaanta Desikar, Shri > > Vaathiraajar, Shri Raaghavendrar, Shri Ugra Narasimha Bhaarati > > swaamigal of Sringeri,(Sringageri is our Family Guru; Kanchi mutt > is > > not our family mutt....yet, Shri Chandrasekarar's Tejas' and > > Greatness attracted me and made me consider Him as my Aatma Guru), > > Shri Arunagirinaathar, Shirdi Sai Baaba (Avadhoota traditions), > Sage > > Tukaaraam, Meera Bhai, Kabir, Goswami Tulsi Das, Aatma Naama > > Bhodendrar (He was a Kaanchi Shankaraachaarya who renounced the > > Muttship to become like normal devotees chanting Raama naama - He > was > > still a Sanyaasi, but left the duties of the mutt to his successor > > and led a life devoted to raama naama japam) to the Mahaatmaas of > > recent times (I would have definitely left out some more mahaatmaas > > in this list; but this was unintentional....I am overwhelmed by > this > > long list of noble souls whom God has been sending to us at regular > > intervals for OUR guidance and for the continuity of spiritual > > traditions!> > > > It is those Spiritual reservoirs that have kept our traditions > alive > > even after various tumultous developments in our land over the > > centuries.> > > > Visit to the Jeeva Samaadhis of these saints will Bless us with > > Divine Insights that can hardly be expressed in words. Currently, > > the jeeva samaadhi of Raaghavendrar, Samaadhi Mandir of Shri Shirdi > > Sai, the Brindaavanam of Shri Chandrasekarar, and Shri Raama naama > > Bhodendraal adhishtaanam in Govindapuram a village in Tamil Naadu > are > > places where many devotees have experienced rare spiritual > insights. > > (In Bodhendaal samaadhi, one can hear Raama naama chant if we chant > > it faithfully within our mind....In fact, this samaadhi was in > disuse > > and nobody could identify the place; it was Shri Chandrasekarar > > Periyavaal who identified this Place....a miraculous event was > > experienced by all those present at that place at that time).> > > > Somehow I felt like writing on this.....I crave the indulgence of > the > > group if I have strayed beyond the avowed objectives of this group.> > > > Blessed be.> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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