Om or Ong?

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, bhrt_kapoor <no_reply wrote:

 

> I have been noticing that mantras esp. beej mantras are being >pronounced in

different ways. Is it Om or Ong (nasalized)? Shreem or

 

Good question, Kapoorji. Either is ok.

 

Ending with mmmm, makes the mantra very subtle, & its acts more on a deeper

level, so its results may not be immediately seen. This is the feminine mode of

chanting.

 

Ending with nggg makes it male mode, which acts on a more physical level, & the

results are stronger too. Thats why some sects, like Tibetan Buddhists, only

chant nggg versions of mantras.

 

But this may not always be a good thing- for example, Kali mantra, which is

quiet strong anyway, if you chant it with nggg, makes it more stronger, & not

many people can stand Kalis shakti.

 

Which way to chant depends on your own goals/aspirations. My idea is, Om should

always be chanted with mmmmmmm, as Om has almost no physical, only purely subtle

level benefits.

 

For mantras for Devas/Devis, you can chant either version, depending on your

goals in Sadhna. But if you chant nggg version, be sure you can handle the extra

energy that it will generate, as the mantra energy can bring up bad karmas /

negative energy, which will rise to fight the power of mantra. Your sadhna must

be strong to fight this negative energy. Chanting with mmm will work on subtle

level, so you may not see results immediately, but neither will you feel much

negative energy attacks.

 

love,

Shantnu

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bhrt_kapoor <no_reply >

 

Wed, December 16, 2009 11:07:46 PM

Om or Ong?

 

 

Namaste

 

I have been noticing that mantras esp. beej mantras are being pronounced in

different ways. Is it Om or Ong (nasalized)? Shreem or Shreeng? I asked somebody

& I was told that the nasalized verion is mainly of tantric nature. Also I was

told that when one does japa with mouth closed, the nasalized version must not

be used. Instead the 'm' or vedic version must be used. Is this true? How do I

chant a mantra (mouth closed) like for Shiva " Om Namah Shivaya " or " ONG namah

Shivaya " . What about just Om or ONG?

 

thanks

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Shantnu Ji thanks a lots...

[Guest guest]

But if you chant nggg version, be sure you can handle the extra energy that it

will generate, as the mantra energy can bring up bad karmas / negative energy,

which will rise to fight the power of mantra. Your sadhna must be strong to

fight this negative energy. Chanting with mmm will work on subtle level, so you

may not see results immediately, but neither will you feel much negative energy

attacks.

 

 

Shantanuji,

 

Could you please elaborate on what forms negative energy attacks take? Do they

manifest as adverse circumstances in the physical world or as negative

thoughts(thoughts of anger, resentment , revenge etc.) ? I sometimes see that

when priests chant mantras,the pronunciation varies because of their mother

tongue. For example, the Bengali priest will have a different pronunciation from

a Tamilian one because 'ai' is pronounced as 'oi' and 'vidmahe' will be

'biddohe' in Bengali.Does this affect the outcome ?

Regards,

Rwitoja

 

--- On Thu, 17/12/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

 

shanracer <no_reply >

Re: Om or Ong?

 

Thursday, 17 December, 2009, 14:48

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ s.com, bhrt_kapoor <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

 

> I have been noticing that mantras esp. beej mantras are being >pronounced in

different ways. Is it Om or Ong (nasalized)? Shreem or

 

Good question, Kapoorji. Either is ok.

 

Ending with mmmm, makes the mantra very subtle, & its acts more on a deeper

level, so its results may not be immediately seen. This is the feminine mode of

chanting.

 

Ending with nggg makes it male mode, which acts on a more physical level, & the

results are stronger too. Thats why some sects, like Tibetan Buddhists, only

chant nggg versions of mantras.

 

But this may not always be a good thing- for example, Kali mantra, which is

quiet strong anyway, if you chant it with nggg, makes it more stronger, & not

many people can stand Kalis shakti.

 

Which way to chant depends on your own goals/aspirations. My idea is, Om should

always be chanted with mmmmmmm, as Om has almost no physical, only purely subtle

level benefits.

 

For mantras for Devas/Devis, you can chant either version, depending on your

goals in Sadhna. But if you chant nggg version, be sure you can handle the extra

energy that it will generate, as the mantra energy can bring up bad karmas /

negative energy, which will rise to fight the power of mantra. Your sadhna must

be strong to fight this negative energy. Chanting with mmm will work on subtle

level, so you may not see results immediately, but neither will you feel much

negative energy attacks.

 

love,

Shantnu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaster, Could you please recommend me a powerful and miraculous mantra 

Regards

 

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

shanracer <no_reply >

Re: Om or Ong?

 

Received: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:18 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ s.com, bhrt_kapoor <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

 

 

 

> I have been noticing that mantras esp. beej mantras are being >pronounced in

different ways. Is it Om or Ong (nasalized)? Shreem or

 

 

 

Good question, Kapoorji. Either is ok.

 

 

 

Ending with mmmm, makes the mantra very subtle, & its acts more on a deeper

level, so its results may not be immediately seen. This is the feminine mode of

chanting.

 

 

 

Ending with nggg makes it male mode, which acts on a more physical level, & the

results are stronger too. Thats why some sects, like Tibetan Buddhists, only

chant nggg versions of mantras.

 

 

 

But this may not always be a good thing- for example, Kali mantra, which is

quiet strong anyway, if you chant it with nggg, makes it more stronger, & not

many people can stand Kalis shakti.

 

 

 

Which way to chant depends on your own goals/aspirations. My idea is, Om should

always be chanted with mmmmmmm, as Om has almost no physical, only purely subtle

level benefits.

 

 

 

For mantras for Devas/Devis, you can chant either version, depending on your

goals in Sadhna. But if you chant nggg version, be sure you can handle the extra

energy that it will generate, as the mantra energy can bring up bad karmas /

negative energy, which will rise to fight the power of mantra. Your sadhna must

be strong to fight this negative energy. Chanting with mmm will work on subtle

level, so you may not see results immediately, but neither will you feel much

negative energy attacks.

 

 

 

love,

 

Shantnu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, ACHIEVER <mississauga1234 wrote:

>

> Namaster, Could you please recommend me a powerful >and miraculous mantra 

 

ji,

 

Mantras should be chosen based on interest. Different mantras represent

different energies.

 

The best of course is Om, which should be chanted as Auuuuuuuumm, or

Aummmmmmmmmmm. I will try to find some sound file to show how to chant.

 

Other than that, there is Shiva mantra: Om Namah Shivay, which gives peace,

dispassion, & disinterest in worldly matters. It is very useful for highly

material people, or those who cant calm/relax.

 

Another mantra is Vishnus mantra: Hari Om Namo Narayana. It gives happines,

love, both worldly & spiritual benefits(depending on chanters secret desires).

 

love,

Shantnu

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Rwitojaji,

 

>? I sometimes see that when priests chant mantras,the pronunciation >varies

because of their mother tongue. For example, the Bengali

 

Pronunciation matters only if done for Siddhi. If done out of Bhakti(which leads

to Darshan of chosen form of God), it doesnt matter so much. Since most priests

chant mantras for neither reason, but do so only mechanically, they get neither

Siddhi nor Bhakti.

 

> Could you please elaborate on what forms negative energy attacks >take? Do

they manifest as adverse circumstances in the physical world >or as negative

thoughts(thoughts of anger, resentment , revenge etc.)

 

My personal experience is, you can get problems on physical body, like diseases,

accidents, or mental problems, like tension, depression, fights with

relatives/work.

 

Sometimes they become so strong they can stop Sadhna completely. One Sadhak

chanting Kali Mantra had great results, but also got a very painful cancer,

which stopped his Sadhna for months. Some people never recover(physically or

mentally).

 

Thats why Sadhna for terrifying Gods like Kali, Hanuman(who also has a terrible

form as he is Avtaar of Rudra), is called the path of Veers(braves), as it takes

a lot of courage to continue on this path(although many start, few finish) after

all these negativity attacks.

 

People go on saying you have to be Brahmchari, vegetarian etc to do Sadhna. But

thats only true if you are trying to do Siddhi of these terrifying forms of God,

as any failure to follow strict rules leads to death/insanity, mainly due to

large energy released. Normally, only Agoris do such tough Sadhnas, which are

kept very secret anyway.

 

Note that you can still worship Kali/Hanuman etc with Bhakti, for which you will

get slow results.

 

But if you use their beej mantras, or any other stronger forms of worship, you

have to be careful. This is not meant to scare you, as I still recommend doing

these strong mantras. But you should be aware of what your decision is, & what

consequences it will have.

 

love,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Namaste Dear Shantnu, I wanted to ask you about Sabar mantra for Hanumanji what

are they and how much energy do they have is there energy positive but brings

-ve with it 

Please explain also can you suggest any sabar mantra for Hanumanji

I have noticed that I recite Hanuman chailisa for 7 times I get drowsy and have

to sleep why is this 

Regard

Achiever

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jai gurudev

 

 

om shivgoraksha

 

dear sir,

 

a good publisher of sabar mantras is :

 

 

randheer publication

 

railway road,behind aarti hotel haridwar

 

ph-01334 – 226297

 

randheerji 01334-226297

 

u can contact them for hanumanji sadhana books and also

sabara mantras to lord hanuman and also many gods and

goddesses.

 

om shakti

 

gopal

 

On 12/18/09, ACHIEVER <mississauga1234 wrote:

> Namaste Dear Shantnu, I wanted to ask you about Sabar mantra for Hanumanji

[Guest guest]

, ACHIEVER <mississauga1234 wrote:

>

> Namaste Dear Shantnu, I wanted to ask you about Sabar mantra for >Hanumanji

what are they and how much energy do they have is there >energy positive but

brings -ve with it 

> Please explain also can you suggest any sabar mantra for Hanumanji

 

ji,

 

Shaabr mantras are uually for single purpose, like healing disease, fixing

minor problems. I dont know any Shabar mantra myself, so cant help you. But

there are many easily availvble books on the topic, maybe other members can help

as well.

 

> I have noticed that I recite Hanuman chailisa for 7 times I get >drowsy and

have to sleep why is this 

 

This is a good sign- it means Tamoguna is coming up from deep in the Chitta &

taking over body. This will continue till all Tamoguna is finished. Note that

this is primodial Tamoguna, ie the sort that existed before Universe was

created, & not Tamoguna as in being angry, greedy etc.

 

This original Tamoguna, also called Jada Tamoguna, wll slowly vanish, & will

lead to Samadhi once is gone.

 

Rather than reciting Hanuman chalisa 7 times, try Hanumans mantra: Om Hanumate

Namah.

 

There is also a beej syllable added to it to make it more stroger, but it cant

be given over internet. You can look for it in books, or google for it, but I

dont recommend it. My advice is: Do normal mantra, & when you are ready,

somebody will tell you the beej as well. The beej makes it 10 times more

powerful, but also dangerous as well, which is why it should be added carefully.

 

love,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Namaste Dear Shantnu, I was going thry all the beej mantras and also read about

your advise about  being caution

 

Please suggest if this beej mantra makes any sense to you

 

Aim Hreem shreem kliem

 

Be Blessed 

[Guest guest]

, ACHIEVER <mississauga1234 wrote:

>

> Please suggest if this beej mantra makes any sense to you

>  

> Aim Hreem shreem kliem

 

 

ji, Yes, that is Devisbeej mantra given in Durga Saptashati. I dont recommend

you do it though. Beej mantras should be chosen carefully.

 

You can do these powerful mantras during Navratris by chanting the Durga

Saptashati, which contains the above & many more. At that time the power of

these mantras is increased many times, & Devi also becomes happy more easily.

 

luv,

shantnu

[Guest guest]

Ji, When someone has pure intentions towards any God/Goddess how can a Beej

Mantra produce negative effects

 I still not able to understand this why would God hurt his own child when that

child is remembring him

 

Please guide me

 

Blessed Be

 

 

--- On Tue, 12/22/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

 

ji, Yes, that is Devisbeej mantra given in Durga Saptashati. I dont recommend

you do it though. Beej mantras should be chosen carefully.

[Guest guest]

, ACHIEVER <mississauga1234 wrote:

>

> Ji, When someone has pure intentions towards any God/Goddess how can >a Beej

Mantra produce negative effects

>  I still not able to understand this why would God hurt his own >child when

that child is remembring him

 

ji, as we were discussing earlier, beej mantras generate a lot of energy, which

can release a lot of bad karmas, which can bring on physical/mental problems,

diseases. God doesnt care, as it means our bad karmas are burning fast, but it

is very painful for us.

 

Also, Im not saying dont chant beej mantras- just that I wont give any over the

internet. Mantras are only given after seeing spiritual development of Sadhak.

Also, some Mantras can be misused(in fact, most Mantras of the 10 great

Goddesses of Tantra are always misused), which brings bad karma.

 

Some mantras, which cant be misused, & which have no side effects are Om, Om

Namah Shivaya, Hari Om Namoh Narayana. These an be given freely.

 

love,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

It is human stupidity and arrogance of egotistic thinking that ones about

God/Guru/Spirituality that gives rise to such statements as 'negative' effect of

mantras. If one truly believes and unconditionally surrenders his/her ego to

God, then none of these thoughts about 'negativity' would arise. More and more

sadhakas think that because they have read books, learned mantras, practised

some rituals, eloguently discussed among groups, they are getting closer to God

or Goddess or whatever. One who gets closer to God, will not proclaim or discuss

the experiences in any form, simply because, there is no human language that can

describe the experience of closeness to God, because we would be trying to

bring the infinite experience into finite domain.

 

It is similar to this story: One day a frog which lived all its life in an ocean

got out of it and travelled the shores to reach nearby water well. In that well,

it encountered another frog that had lived all along its life in the well. So,

during their conversation, the 'well frog' kept asking the 'ocean frog' about

the place he came from. The 'ocean frog' tried to explain the vastness of the

ocean, for which the 'well frog' tried to understand by relating to its own

dwelling place - The small Well. It couldn't understand or even fathom to the

end, how big the ocean could be, since it could relate only to its own world -

The Well.

 

Without God Itself coming down as a Guru, no matter how much sadhana we practice

and what books we read, and all that satsang we do, in this human body, we will

be only be a 'Well Frog'. We can try to relate the Infinity to everything that

we are knowledged about. But that's about it. Nothing more.

 

When God comes down as a Guru, there is no need for that Guru to travel around

the world giving discourse, conducting seminars/workshops, satsangs etc.,

because, all the 'Truely' Yearning Souls will find that Guru and Approach

automatically. Meaning, the TRUE SEEKERS will be attracted by small iron pieces

being attracted by giant magnet. Everyone else will be left out dwelling in

their egotistic world of scriptural knowledge, trying to reason out, looking for

logical explanations, ........

 

 

At Mother's Lotus Feet,

Shakti Thondan

 

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, ACHIEVER <mississauga1234 wrote:

 

 

ACHIEVER <mississauga1234

 

Ji, When someone has pure intentions towards any God/Goddess how can a Beej

Mantra produce negative effects

[Guest guest]

, Shakti Thondan <sakthithondan wrote:

>

> It is human stupidity and arrogance of egotistic thinking that ones >about

God/Guru/Spirituality that gives rise to such statements as >'negative' effect

of mantras. If one truly believes and

 

Mantras have always been used as weapons to harm & kill. Ancient texts like

Mahabharta are full of examples where people like Arjuna used mantras of Agni,

Indra(lightening) etc to start fires / atatck with thunder. They would chant the

Mantra & fire an arrow, & the arrow would carry power of Mantra. The other side

could counter with Mantras of Varuna(water).

 

There were also mantras of Gods like Dhanvantri(who bought knowledge of Ayurveda

to man) that could heal - when Sugreev was attacked by Bali, Sri Rama just

touched him & he was completely healed. How was this possible, except that Sri

Rama had Mantra power of Dhanvantri, who himself is a minor Avataar of Vishnu?

 

Krishna had the Vishnu Sudarshna Mantra, by which he could fire a disc of energy

to kill people ( you didnt think it was an actual disc floating above his

finger, like shown on TV?) This mantra is still known- how do you think Sadhus

living high in Himalayas do Yagyas, or light fire for their food? But no Sadhu

would dare use this Mantra to attack people, as it would be an insult of Vishnu.

 

Then there was the most powerful mantra of all, Brahmastra, which many scholars

believe was the Gayatri Mantra chanted backward. Gross misuse of this mantra &

others led Shivji, in anger, to " Keel " all these Vedic mantras. " Keel " means the

power of the mantra has been blocked, till a special(Secret) ritual is done to

unblock it. The Gayatri was one of few mantras that survived, as in its original

form it cannot be used as a weapon.

 

Everything modern science does with technology, can be done with mantras.

 

The confusion arises because people think the Mantra is the name of God- no, the

Mantra is the actual God/Goddess herself in gross physical form. People worship

the Dev/Devis as human forms but this is not their actual form. Their actual

form is a pattern of light & sound energy. The light part is usually seen as a

Yantra, while the sound part is the Mantra.

 

When you are chanting Beej mantra of Durga, you are not chanting Durga name, you

are creating Durga in your Astral body. Done with enough Bhakti & concentration,

ultimately your astral body will dissolve into Durga, which is the Bhaktas

version of Moksha. Witout the astral body, the physical body soon dies, but

there is no rebirth, as its the astral body that takes rebirth.

 

But if your energy does not match Durgas, or Durga isnt happy with you(maybe

because you mistreat women), then the energy of the Mantra will cause problems

in your life. They may also cause problems if you have a lot of Tamoguna, which

is suddenly released because of the Mantra, as tomoguna cannot stay in the

presence of positive Devis energy. This is ultimately a good thing, as it

increases Satoguna & brings us closer to God, though it causes pain in the short

term.

 

Mantras have great power - dont treat them as mumbo jumbo, or as praise to God.

Mantras are not Bhajans, chanting Mantras is directly interacting with the

Devis energy of the Mantra. If you do not have great Bhakti for the God of the

Mantra, & are not willing to suffer a little so that your Karmas can burn

faster, then Mantra Yoga isnt for you.

 

luv,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Namaste all.

 

gopanIyaM prayatnena

yathA ratna-karaNDakam |

kasyacin naiva vaktavyaM

kula-strI-surataM yathA ||

 

(Hatha-yoga-pradipika 2.9)

 

With great effort, keep all the Devotional experience

secretly hidden like a chest of precious stones.

 

Do not talk about them to anyone, just as a high-class lady

would not talk about her intimate amorous experience to others.

 

-------------

 

Apana bhajana kathA, na kohibo jathA tathA

ihAte hoibo sAvadhAna |

nA koriho keho roSa, nA loiho keho doSa,

praNamahu bhaktera caraNa ||

 

I won't divulge the intimate aspects of my bhajan here and there,

but will remain very careful in such matters.

 

Please don't be angry or find fault with me.

I bow down to all sadhaka bhaktas.

 

(Prema-bhakti-candrika 119)

 

--------

 

premA dvayo rasikayor ayi dIpa eva

hRd-veSma bhAsayati nizcalam eva bhAti |

dvArAd ayaM vadanatas tu bahiSkRtaz cen

nirvAti zIghram athavA laghutAm upaiti ||

 

 

Love's candle burns bright in the lovers' hearts

To set aglow those chambers' darkest parts;

 

If one should bring it out the verbal door,

Pride's wind will blow and it shall glow no more.

 

(Prema-samputa)

 

Jaya Sri Radhe!

 

>

> More and more sadhakas think that because they have read books, learned

mantras, practised some rituals, eloguently discussed among groups, they are

getting closer to God or Goddess or whatever. One who gets closer to God, will

not proclaim or discuss the experiences in any form, simply because, there is no

human language that can describe the experience of closeness to God, because

we would be trying to bring the infinite experience into finite domain.