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Pranam.

 

Babaji, its great to see you so active, Pranam.

 

I had a few questions arise in my mind in the past few months, i put it here in

this forum.

 

1.> we are all in a way progess towards moksha/mukthi, but why are we afraid of

death?

 

2.> After this birth will a hindu take birth in other religion?

 

will put forward other questions latter.

 

thanks for your reply.

 

Luv

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, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

 

Namaste Senthilji,

 

> Babaji, its great to see you so active, Pranam.

 

Yes Babaji had been very sick for a long time(hes using the ID Aumji now, since

he has permanently left Beirut for India). But he is recovering now.

 

> 1.> we are all in a way progess towards moksha/mukthi, but why are we afraid

of death?

 

Maybe because we are still on the path- we are like travellers, who become

attached to our temporary stays. Its like you change a train at a junction. You

fall in love with the place, make friends there, but you forget that it was not

your destination!

 

Fear of death affects even the Gods & higher Rishis- the Yoga Sutras say even

the wise are affected by it. Until we realise we are not the body, we wil always

be scared of death. And this is not done by reading in a book! - only when we

can separate our astral body from our physical by control, & travel to astral

world any time we want- only then can we say we are not the body. Even if such a

person dies- they dont feel scared, since they are used to leaving their body &

travelling outside it.

 

However, such people may still be attached to their astral body, & fear for its

death. So Yama scares even the Gods, till they too realise that they are made of

the pure Causal body of light. Since the Causal body is made of Bliss, negative

emotions like fear, disgust, cannot come near it. Only then can we claim to free

of the fear of death.

 

> 2.> After this birth will a hindu take birth in other religion?

 

Unfortuanately,we are so attached to our idea of what we are- Hindu, Christian,

Man, woman, that rarely will we take birth in a differnt form. Thats why many

mystics disagree with the idea we can go into lower births like animals- since

we identify so strongly with our human self, this attachment will in this case

be of good to us, as it wont allow us to slip lower.

Remember, Tamoguna wants us to stay where we are- while it doesnt want us to

rise, it wont allow us to fall either. Tamoguna is pure inertia- we need

Rajoguna mixed with Satoguna to rise higher(only Rajoguna may tak us lower).

 

Even after death, a Hindu will keep thinking he is a Hindu, a Muslim will think

Muslim. Thats where the concept of all these heavens came from.

 

Our strongest attachment is to our sex. This is the hardest to break, especially

for men. Thats why many sects- like Krishna Bhaktas, Kali Bhaktas, even Sufis-

dress up as women & dance for God. So called Gyanis may laugh, but Bhaktas are

breaking the strongest attachment-to their sex, once this is broken, others will

be childs play.

 

> will put forward other questions latter.

ITs good, it means our discussions can restart.

 

love,

Shantnu

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, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

> 1.> we are all in a way progess towards moksha/mukthi, but why are we afraid

of death?

>

> 2.> After this birth will a hindu take birth in other religion?

>

Dear Senthil, I was almost in bed after a major operation.... am trying to

reconsctruct the broken chains of discussions...but shantnu and others kept

Sadhna active during this time.

 

Fear of Death ....This fear is ingrained in our psyche from centuries... from

the time we were one celled creatures. This fear is actually not our own...of

our true self... but the fear of lower nature who wishes to maintain status-quo

in respect of her creations. So we are all afraid of death, and wish to

continue in this body forever.. which is not possible. The lower ego (arising

from our mind & Intellect and due to conditioning of environment)...takes this

body as true self and is afraid.

 

How the fear will be removed ??? Since the fear is arising from destructible

lower ego, made of lower nature... it is imposible till we know our true self.

This will happen after long time of sadhna and any progress made will not take

us out of this fear. Of course, visions and sadhana experiences wake us up and

this fear is reduced...but finally this fear will go after we have taken a big

leap on the path of Truth.

 

For example I had one near death experience, and saw how my body ws dying,

and how the body functions were slowly coming to an end and how the astral body

was trying to go out of body....and finally when i saw That even after coming

out of body, I could see, I could feel, I could think and I could analyse

correctly..... the need of body seemed futile... rather the body looked like a

jail, constricting my real powers, the fear of death reduced to a great extent.

 

The key is Sadhna...

 

 

Yes those who have not understood the real philosophy of hinduism and are

attracted towards other faiths... may take birth in other religions... but

finally they come back to hinduism. there are 1000s of example of people born

in west but becoming a pundit of hinduism... David Frawley's example is classic,

so is sister nivedita etc etc

 

With love and blessings

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

The first fundamental concept is we are not all are in  way to moksha /mukti/

liberation etc.

Because our life is becoming more and more complex and the quality of pure human

is loosing its purity.Some people in the society are moving towards mukti, some

are going away from it.some even dont know about it and suffering the

consequence. Ofcourse life is ruling as per the law of nature.

 

The moksha /mukti etc are individual choices and depends on what the particular

individual one defines it does something to achieve it.

 

If the society is going towards moksha as per the question, there should have

been improvement in peace, reduction in crime, should have been observed.. but

it is not.The crime rates are up and morality is reducing. The Ramarajya is pure

consious society and is dream today.

 

Therefore society is not going towards moksha and it will not and never because

every individual is separate and individual, and needs deifferent way and time

span to get disengaged with the own attachments.So total society at one time

towards moksha is impossible.

 

The second part is the fear is developed by the false ego, hence ones the pure

ego starts enlightening the intellect, the chitta sanskaras becomes ineffective

and mind gets wellightened by pure ego. Then there is not fear.

 

Fear is death of fase ego, death of false attachments which are actually not

there.

 

2. Every one has choice by intellect either enlightened by pure ego or by false

ego, to choose birth. The impurity influences rebirth by circumstantial

attachments while purity of ego, influences rebirth by choice of super

consiousness i.e. need of society and sympathy of the realised person.

 

People get the destiny they are deserved for.

 Hence when a hindu deserves ( as per his chitta impresions) , becomes fond of

islam philosophy, he can get birth is Muslim family.

 

If he has animal prefernecs , he can become that type of animal.

 

Unrealised people take birth due to such impressions on chitta, while realised

one choose them by the want of , need of society.

 

 

--- On Sat, 27/6/09, Senthil <senthil_sym wrote:

 

 

1.> we are all in a way progess towards moksha/mukthi, but why are we afraid of

death?

 

 

 

2.> After this birth will a hindu take birth in other religion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Pranam.

Thank you shanJi, Babaji and UdayJi for your answers.

 

Shantnuji,thanks. you already informed to the entire group of Babaji's illness,

and his return to India.

 

I am quiet happy to see him back in this forum aswell as in YA with many

question and answers.

 

BabaJi, i too had a major brain surgery few months back and i have receoverd

back. But i have another surgery in brain in 10days time.

 

the fear of death is in animals aswell which we say has less than 5 senses. I

understand all your explanations.

 

But reg the next question, reg the next birth in a different religion iam not

convinced, as its not the astral body or the ego or our wish which determines

where and how we should be born, instead the Karma ( and the yama) decides our

next birth. May be only after Moksah a soul has the liberty to choose the

birth!! So could you pls explain a bit more about the next birth after death.

 

Further what happens to the memories of this birth after death?

 

Thanks for your replies.

 

Luv.

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, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

>

>

> But reg the next question, reg the next birth in a different religion iam not

convinced, as its not the astral body or the ego or our wish which determines

where and how we should be born, instead the Karma ( and the yama) decides our

next birth. May be only after Moksah a soul has the liberty to choose the

birth!! So could you pls explain a bit more about the next birth after death.

>

> Further what happens to the memories of this birth after death?

 

 

Dear Senthil,

 

The reply is certainly not easy... as the next birth is decided by many

factors viz. our karma, our desires, and desire of Shakti.

 

Our desires : If we have strong desire to be fulfilled and at the time of

death, we pounce upon that desire....next birth is decided on that thought.

Shri Krishna also said in Gita that whatever a person thinks at the time of

death becomes his moto for next birth. Those who think of krishna go to him.

 

Also if we have some karmic debts towards alien countries.. or those whom we

have to pay our karmic debts are in alien country we will naturally be born

there to fulfil the karmic debts. Karmic debt is a strong catalyst and

sometimes it over-rides other factors.

 

For example thousands of poor punjabis and sikhs were killed by British

General in Jallianwala bagh. This created a karmic debt on British people to

repay them for their sufferings. Hence most of those souls were born in Indian

families in UK or british families in UK and enjoyed the unearned money by way

of social security or earned their bread from the British.

 

Some times the attraction for comfortable life of west becomes so great that

a soul decides to be be born in west in christian families but they have natural

attraction towards hinduism. In our own group there were two ladies (cathy &

Agnidevi) who were born in christian family but were deeply interested in

hinduism from birth.

 

I know that the answer still needs further discussion which we may continue to

do.

 

The memories of this birth are stored in Akasic Records (Universal Chitta)

because these are not needed in next birth as they may create chaos....only the

seed of those memories in form of sanskars goes in new birth.

 

However this past memory can come back through Yoga or through some accident

or due to natural causes. There are many cases people remembering their past

lives.

 

 

with love

 

Aum

 

Senthil... i am sorry to know abt your brain surgery and pray god to do what

ever is best for your spiritual journey

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

chitta is like a hard disc of a person. Intellect as Operating platform and

software. Mind is like a RAM. Only difference is that they need electrical power

and chitta etc all these needs power of pure ego.

 

All the past life and  this life impressions are stored in Chitta and they are

called as chittasanskaras. The deletion of these is possible by searching them

through meditation and completing them by experinceing them in totaly .in

meditation.

 

When they appear one by one, in mind during meditation , they have to be just

observed as if they are foriegners in mind, and not own, then they wont have any

attachment towards the person and get deleted. Even though the current life has

been already programmed in certain percentage depending upon the chitta

intensity before birth, it keeps continuing.

 

But in normal course, our mind is so busy with daily problems, there is no

chance of coming out these old past life impressions happened till yesterday, to

come out and appear at mind centre. hence they keep on acuumuating more and more

in numbers.

 

These chittasanskaras make next life possible, the way they are accumulated and

depending on the strength. These impressions are mailny due to the karmas we

choose for us.There fore we are the one who decides to perform karmas in our

life and suffer the concequences in the form of new life ,of the same after

wards.

 

The waiting inbetween two births is not because of the choice but to find

suitable parents for the jiva, the astral body.

 

We only write programe for our life and we are only the one who can erase the

programme too.

 

Moksha with being in human body is realisation. When the time limit of human and

astral body is over, the pure ego is liberated to super ego, i.e. in the super

consious.

 

But if a realised one gets developed due to pure humanity a small attachment of

sympathy towards the people in the society, its wish of super ego, he reborns

and is called as an incarnation.

 

The other ones have already self programmed their destiny and they can not have

choice where to born, after their death, becase its already programmed by self

programming.

 

Its life and death cycle for astral and physical bodies.

 

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, Senthil <senthil_sym wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the fear of death is in animals aswell which we say has less than 5 senses. I

understand all your explanations.

 

 

 

But reg the next question, reg the next birth in a different religion iam not

convinced, as its not the astral body or the ego or our wish which determines

where and how we should be born, instead the Karma ( and the yama) decides our

next birth. May be only after Moksah a soul has the liberty to choose the

birth!! So could you pls explain a bit more about the next birth after death.

 

 

 

Further what happens to the memories of this birth after death?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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