Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 dear sir, i will try my best to reply to u. there is a difference between truth and belief.we believe what wee see, ie sun rise in east and set in west. but truth is that we r moving and sun is standing in his place. so what we see and what is truth maybe same or different. same way truth is that parambrahma paramatma adi shakti param prakruti has created all creation time and again,and also evoled mankind from 1 celled organisms and we read in boooks that some god created man from mud/dirt or that from some god's mouth brahmin came from some god's shoulder kshatriya came from some god's leg vaishya came and from some god's foot shudra came. that nature is supreme and man is a part of nature,is clearly written in sri devi atharvasheesh in atharvaved. so u can see that it is clearly written in sri devi atharvasheesh that we r part of nature. the body is made up of 5 tavta and energy-soul,and these r tatva are again part of nature-shakti,and so is soul. this is truth. also it is written that all gods and goddesses r aspects of the same divinity,like sun,moon,planets,indra-thunder, varun-water,agni-fire,earth-bhoodevi,vayu-air,sky-akash etc.... also brahma is generatve power,vishnu is protective power, rudra is destructive power,but all r part of same energy. reg kundalini,without raising kundalini u may not get salvation this is truth. but there r many ways to awaken kundalini who is mother nature manifesttaion in our own body. if u read srimad devibhagwat puran,patanjali yoga sutra, rudrayamal tantra,etc...u will read that when one if stress free, one is free of worry etc...and becomes spiritual minded and god loving gets extatic with bhakti these r all signs of awakened kundalini. maa kundalini can be awakened by dancing,song,bhakti, sattvic food,naam-jap,tantra,mantra,specific yoga and jap for awakening kundalini etc....so u dont know even yr interest in spiritualisation is indication of kundlaini awakening and this is fact.ie yr kundalini is awakened to some extent,and wants to rise up and yr choosing various methods will help to make it reach crown chakra faster. fyi i am doing direct kundlaini tantra-yoga for last 25 yrs + and my experience has been very good plesant and loving as she is our divine mother and lord and saves us and helps. all gods r part of nature and every human being is unique. some tatva is more predominant in each human,like satvvam,rajas,tamogun and thus person choose his r her own ishta devta based on that guna. so do not be confused. read all puran with unbiased mind and then decide which god u will take as yr ishtadevta.all devta give manovanchit phala [ mind desired fruit ] so ganapati,mataji,shiva,vishnu,ram,krshina,surya,hanuman,bhairav all bestow salvation if asked for with intent and focus. in my case i have always been attracted to parambrahma paramatma adi shakti 10 mahavidyas and also to mantra-tantra-yantra science so my ishta devta is mother adi shakti kulkundalini herself in 10 mahavidya form and various other forms. but i also do ganapati,maharudra,bahirav,narasima,varaha,9grahadev, narasima pooja and mantras also.for me all god r aprt of her divinity and all r leading to param moksha. or u can choose any 1 god and do also,its upto u. our karma shud be good and that is most important. hope my humble reply helps u to understand divine sanatan dharma better. om shakti gopal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Dear Gopalji, If nature is supreme and we are part of nature. Then why do we need to do sadhana and attain moksha? Sarvamaatha. , gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 . > that nature is supreme and man is a part of nature,is clearly written in > sri devi atharvasheesh in atharvaved. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OMNAMONARAYANAYA Rev Sarvamathaji , Nature is supreme . We are a part of it. We need sadhana to attain MOKSHA because At present our life is limited to enjoying the blessings of nature and suffering from the reverses of nature . We enjoy sensuous pleasures and suffer from non issues like hunger,thirst,honour,prestige,loss of riches,sickness and the like. MOKSHA is a blissful state of having only happiness without wants or desires that require nature to satisfy For that we need sadhana Hope better versed seniors clarify more yours ijswamy ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ --- On Wed, 5/20/09, sarvamaatha <no_reply > wrote: sarvamaatha <no_reply > Re: lord shiv,vishnu etc.... Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:20 PM Dear Gopalji, If nature is supreme and we are part of nature. Then why do we need to do sadhana and attain moksha? Sarvamaatha. @ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> . > that nature is supreme and man is a part of nature,is clearly written in > sri devi atharvasheesh in atharvaved. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 to realise this fact that nature is supreme and make our mind attuned to it. pls read devi mahatamya,d\srimad devi bhagwat puran,srimad bhagwat puran etc.... u will understand everything. i only try my best to answer yr questions. technically speaing since all is nature,there is no need for moksha. but what is moksha ?? moksha means elimination of worries,fears and getting eternal bliss which is in us. one can attain moksha even when alive this is known as jeevanmukti and was attained by king janak known as videha and many others. moksha is a state of mind when we r sourrounded by material but still not connected to it nor take pleasure from it. pls read and u will surely get knowledge. we r all being evoled by nature and nature is the truth u can call it god,truth,paramatma etc....all is one. we r also part of it. being part of nature is advaith phylosophy and it clearly states thant moksha is a state of mind which u get when u realise truth,which u already know now. om shakti On 5/21/09, sarvamaatha <no_reply > wrote: > If nature is supreme and we are part of nature. Then why do we need to do > sadhana and attain moksha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 our mind body soul is part of adi shakti parambrahma paramatma. body is made of atoms and molecules which is 5 elements,and soul is the spark of life which keep us alive,and when time comes leaves as per plan of nature. but our sense r scattered all around in seeking pleasure ahd finite happiness which is again aprt of god=nature. when with help of nature we focus our sense into god=nature we can realise the bliss which is permanent forever. this coems from kundalini awakening - spiritual awakening. kundalini is awakened by song,dance,bhakti all...and also mantra tantra etc. merabai,tukaram,narasingh mehta etc all great saints cud go into trance easily this is sign of focus on god kundalini awakening. this is true bliss kundalini awakening of human unlimted happiness from within and salvation. om shakti gopal On 5/21/09, J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU <jiragavarapu wrote: > > > > OMNAMONARAYANAYA > Rev Sarvamathaji , Nature is supreme . We are a part of it. We need sadhana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Opinion on this, Its true that we are part of nature. But what is nature?Its manifestation by maya. Then where is the supreme power?What is within it? Is the supreme power. The truth behind nature being supreme is within everything in nature , a supreme power is existing. Or we can say there in no place where we cant find the supreme power. Its in man, woman, trees, animals, devils, rakshasa, saitan,children, rocks, mountains, water, everything in nature. Thats the true meaning of it, that nature is supreme. nature is nothing but supreme power covered with maya.Human is definitely part of nature, nobody can deny it. The power within human also is supreme power but since its covered by maya, the behaviour is different. Human on earth has special quality, that he has intellect as additional quality, which other lives on the world don't have.All of the living bodies have mind but no intellect as compared to human. This intellect is the one which can be used as a primary tool to get liberated or get bound with maya. Intellect can be positive, or negative,or neutral too. poaitive intellect can develop the world posively and with the help of power of pure ego can manifest positive personality and can improve /develop the associated nature. The powers of intellect are self manifesting in case of human, hence he get bound with mayic illusions and leads the life the way he has developed himself. But again when he find something is missing in his world, its nature of him t be blissed, he lost it, he tries to regain the status he earlier had, Hence there is always unsatisfaction even fror the richest man in world, Other animals have mind but not analtical power of intellect, they dont have hunder for liberation of self realisation. Human needs to go back to his own nature of blissfullness, and break the manifestation created by him only, he needs to do sadhna.He has to demolish the illusion what he has built so far. --- On Thu, 21/5/09, sarvamaatha <no_reply > wrote: sarvamaatha <no_reply > Re: lord shiv,vishnu etc.... Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:50 AM Dear Gopalji, If nature is supreme and we are part of nature. Then why do we need to do sadhana and attain moksha? Sarvamaatha. @ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> . > that nature is supreme and man is a part of nature,is clearly written in > sri devi atharvasheesh in atharvaved. > Bring your gang together. Do your thing.. Find your favourite group at http://in.promos./groups/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 dear sir, pls read srimad devi atharvasheesh. there the gods ask the goddess adi shakti mahalaxmi,who r u ??? adi shakti clearly says that i am the supreme being and also i am nature,etc.... i am giver of MOKHSA,i am giver of chaturvidh karma-dharm arth kaam mokhsa. nature is maya and mahamaya and parambrahmatma paramatma. what u say is also ok,as long as it leads to truth. there is no fight here,just we quote different books but eccense is same. if we try to analyse scientifically then we can prove that adi shakti paramprakruti has evolved man. i have many atheist come from disbelief to belief based on truth based on scientific facts.so weshud all strive for dharma arth kaam moksha. om shakti gopal On 5/21/09, udaykumar S.K. <udaykumar001 wrote: > > > > Opinion on this, > > Its true that we are part of nature. But what is nature?Its manifestation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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