Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Why is Maya so hated, ignored, opposed and thought to be an enemy for Moksha aspirant What should be a sadhaka's treatement towards Maya, how can he transcend Maya without hating her ? Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 > Why is Maya so hated ... how to overcome It without hating. Dear Aumji, Maya is not other than God, it is His marginal energy ( marginal to spiritual-material region )as distinguished from His internal/wholly spiritual/core energy. There is nothing other than God here: ishAvAsya idam sarvam(IU.1). But He/Truth is covered by a golden vessel: hiraNmayENa pAtrENa satyasyApihitam mukham(IU.15), - Maya, which is His own outer energy. Cover to be removed to reveal Him. Constant awareness/knowledge of the Inner Being, experientially and alive in our being, and total devotion to it fades the covering/Maya and Lord is revealed in us. Regards, Thimmappa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 , aumji <no_reply wrote: > > Why is Maya so hated, ignored, opposed and thought to be an enemy for >Moksha aspirant Mankind has always feared & try to destroy, or at least misalign, what it couldnt understand. Because most people can understand how Maya works, they try to attack Her, & try to bypass her, & fight her by force. But this is the lazy mans approach, & never works in the long term. love, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > , aumji <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Why is Maya so hated, ignored, opposed and thought to be an enemy >for >Moksha aspirant Thanks Thimmappaji and shantnuji, If Maya is a part of God, why is it that such great saints and yogis as Shakracharya, Buddha and many such others simply dismissed the universe as illusion. Second point is If Maya has an independent existence or it is created by our mind ? And finally which path is the best to transcend Maya.... Bhakti, Gyan or Tantra or any other way?? aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Dear Aumji, Shankaracharya never said or dismissed world as illusion, he only said that our perception of the world is illusory owing to ignorance. For instance, in the semi darkness rope is perceived as snake, but under light the same object is perceived as rope. Nothing has happened to reality, only our perception has changed owing to light/knowledge. Hence, world is real, our perception of it under 'normal'/ignorant condition is an illusion. In this sense, yes, it is a creation of clouded mind. It can be overcome by Jnana and true Jnana culminates in Bhakti, a genuine surrender is possible only when we realize/aware/know our constitutional position in relation to world and God. Maya literally means 'that which does not - really - exist'. According to Shankaracharya,Maya is an inscrutable and apparent power of Brahman which functions in two ways: 1.It covers the real nature of Brahman as chaitanya/pure consciousness. 2. it projects this world of duality in that Brahman as the substratum. The first one he calls avaranashakti and the second, vikshepashakti. At the individual level, Maya is called ajnana/ignorance and it can be eliminated by jnana or spiritual knowledge. He even accords a much greater reality to this world and calls it vyavaharikasatta/an empirical truth. In the Puranas and Tantra, Maya is one of the names of Divine Mother. Maya is also said to be one of the four shaktis of Vishnu, the other three being Laksmi, Jaya and Kirti. Love, Thimmappa. If Maya is a part of God, why is it that such great saints and yogis as Shakracharya, Buddha and many such others simply dismissed the universe as illusion. > > Second point is If Maya has an independent existence or it is created by our mind ? > > And finally which path is the best to transcend Maya.... Bhakti, Gyan or Tantra or any other way?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 QUES: If Maya has an independent existence or it is created by our mind ? I THINK: Maya & Bramha being two sides of the same coin, cannot have independent existence. Where One is there, the Other is present too. When 'perception of existence' is channelized to the Self, who is the experiencing, through the mind, it is derived as Maya. However, when the perception emerges as a result of perception thru a " purified chitta " , the experience is Bramha (Sat-Chit-Ananda). As Thimmappa Sir rightly said, to Bhagvadpad Aadi Shankaracharya, the world APPEARED as Bramha, rather than Maya. Thus, He Embraced the world (not dismissed) as Bramha. Regards _/\_, Anupam , " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote: > > > Dear Aumji, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 , " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote: > > > Dear Aumji, > > Shankaracharya never said or dismissed world as illusion, he only said that our perception of the world is illusory owing to Dear Thimmappaji, That was really great... very few really understand Shankar's true philosophy. Maya is divine mother herself as illusonary power is a hard fact and we can not proceed by rejecting maya forthwith. btw what is the difference between Maya and Leela . love aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 , " Anupam Shil " <anupamshil wrote: > > QUES: If Maya has an independent existence or it is created by our mind > ? > > I THINK: Maya & Bramha being two sides of the same coin, cannot have > independent existence. Where One is there, the Other is present too. Thanks Anupamji, during Mahapralaya, Brahmm exists but Maya does not !!! Also Maya does not exist for trinity of Brahma, vishnu and Mahesh. It also has no existence for rishis and sidhhas. Can we thus say Maya has no independent existence but is illusory power of Brhamm for creating the Universe....and is necessary for this creation otherwise creation does not exist. How can we thus transcend Maya ? Is rejecting her as mere illusion the only way ?? Can Maya in anyway help us in our Sadhna?? Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 QUES: During Mahapralaya, Brahmm exists but Maya does not !!! Also Maya does not exist for trinity of Brahma, vishnu and Mahesh. It also has no existence for rishis and sidhhas. THOUGHTS: The Experience of Bramha or Maya is an Individual Experience. For an Ignorant, Only Maya exists and parallely for an Enlightened, Only Bramha exists, in the same given time. During Pralaya (we can only do theoretical & speculative analysis , who is the experiencer? Does the Individual Self has an independent existence? Who is perceiving whom? If at all, only The Godhead is existential during pralaya, shall we refer That as - Bramha or Maya.....coz no 'Second thing' exists then. Say, based of characteristic analogy we may call it Bramha. Then, if there is no Maya at the time of Pralaya, what does Lord Krishna refer as: BG14.2 BG15.6 BG15.16 Even if we take the words, Gyan (1st verse), Dham (2nd verse) and Loka (3rd verse) as a STATE OF ENLIGHTENMENT, yet we may perceive (thru its literary connotation) that the 2nd & 3rd seem to suggest " some aspect of Maya " . The Philosophy of Advaita " dissolves " all differences between Bramha & Maya, in order to stabilise all experiences into the experience of ONE (which is Individual) - Sat-Chit-Anand. QUES. How can we thus transcend Maya ? Is rejecting her as mere illusion the only way ?? Can Maya in anyway help us in our Sadhna?? THOUGHTS: Rejection may not be the answer. Sometimes......temporary discipline to change the habits of Mind should not be misconstrued as rejection. We can trancend Maya thru Sadhana & Surrender only. Maya does help us in Sadhna by " producing a reason (dukha, kashta, klesh....) " to do Sadhna. Who would otherwise want to return to GOD!!! :-) Thus, dear Aum ji, I think, it can be said that Maya is necessary for this creation otherwise creation does not exist. _/\_ Hari Om Tat Sat, Anupam > Thanks Anupamji, > > during Mahapralaya, Brahmm exists but Maya does not !!! Also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 , Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote: Maya does help us in Sadhna by " producing a reason (dukha, kashta, klesh....) " to do Sadhna. Who would otherwise want to return to GOD!!! :-) Thus, dear Aum ji, I think, it can be said that Maya is necessary for this creation otherwise creation does not exist. > Brilliant Anupam dear ! Very thought provoking ideas on Maya helping us in Sadhna thanks a lot aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Dear Aumji, Leela is the Dance of Creation, Dance of Shiva, Play of Maya. If we become aware of it and partake consciously, it could be a celebration of life for us! Regards, Thimmappa. > btw what is the difference between Maya and Leela . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 > Why is Maya so hated, ignored, opposed and thought to be an enemy for Moksha aspirant > > What should be a sadhaka's treatement towards Maya, how can he transcend Maya without hating her ? > --------------------------- HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN THANKS TO ALL THE SADHAKAS FOR WONDERFULL SATSANG, great questions and Answers There is only and only one solution which exists in my knowledge to get the freedom from the Bondage of Maya and that is to get to KNOW the Secrets of MOTHER MAYA. HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN KRISHAN, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 , " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote: > > > Dear Aumji, > > Leela is the Dance of Creation, Dance of Shiva, Play of Maya. If we become aware of it and partake consciously, it could be a celebration of life for us! > Dear Thimmappa i did not understand the difference between maya and lila. will you re-explain simple words ? jaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 OMNAMONARAYANAYA Jayaji ,Before Thimmappaji gives a more authoritative answer , let the following thought be considered. Maya is a smoke screen . The act of creation of the smoke screen is Leela. Ego or Aham makes Maya real and opaque. Loss of ego or Ahambhava reveals Brahmam covered by Maya created by Leela ijswamy ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ --- On Fri, 5/8/09, jaya_sundram <no_reply > wrote: jaya_sundram <no_reply > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 > Maya does help us in Sadhna by " producing a reason (dukha, kashta, >klesh....) " to do Sadhna. Who would otherwise want to return to GOD!!! >:-) Thus, dear Aum ji, I think, it can be said that Maya is necessary >for this creation otherwise creation does not exist. Thanks Anupamji. But then, why do spiriutal people also suffer, as they are already on path of God? Or is God like an evil dictator, who likes to keep everyone on their toes? luv, shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 " Spiritual People " do not suffer, as their consciousness is already " seated " in the SPIRIT. They merely WITNESS the good and bad repercussions of the Karma (probably past) acting upon the Body-Mind organism. That is why we are all TRYING to be Spiritual :-) Regards _/\_, Anupam , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > But then, why do spiriutal people also suffer, as they are already on path of God? > > Or is God like an evil dictator, who likes to keep everyone on their toes? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Dear Jayaji, It was on the lighter vein. I felt that they - maya and leela - are one and the same and if we are conscious of it we not only enjoy the participation but may even be able to see through the 'game' and cross over it too. Regards, Thimmappa. > the difference between maya and lila. will you re-explain simple words ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 In Vedas, and my reference with Dasbodh (By Shri Swami Samarth) says both maya and brahma are in existance together.There is no who is first. maya is manifestated part of brahma and maya unmanifested is sheer brahma only. Hence hatred of one side of coin will be hatred towards both side, means no money value for the coin.Hence the purpose of coin is dismissed. I think one should accept the way maya with surrender,respect and then maya will become brahma.Its wining by loosing. Maya will always starve for action while brahma will always for inaction.For the material world maya is must, One should understand and experience the core centre is of brahman covered with maya , science has reached atom structure analysis, says a satified atom is inert , while incomplete atom tends do radiate,active. --- On Wed, 6/5/09, aumji <no_reply > wrote: aumji <no_reply > Another Yaksha Prashana - Maya Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 8:46 AM Why is Maya so hated, ignored, opposed and thought to be an enemy for Moksha aspirant What should be a sadhaka's treatement towards Maya, how can he transcend Maya without hating her ? Aum Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta.cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Every human has a unique nature. Those who dismissed maya have there own way and own way of thoughts. It might be possible for them , might be impossible for them, unless they dismiss maya, an experince of brahman was not possible. Shankaracharya, budhdha, Mahaveer are the serious and methodical people.and go by thoughts. Hence maya disconnection is the recommended ways. The way is not for all. Everybody has to follow his natural way of elimination of maya.s maya.( illusion) --- On Wed, 6/5/09, aumji <no_reply > wrote: aumji <no_reply > Re: Another Yaksha Prashana - Maya Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 7:04 PM @ s.com, shanracer <no_reply@.. ..> wrote: > > @ s.com, aumji <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Why is Maya so hated, ignored, opposed and thought to be an enemy >for >Moksha aspirant Thanks Thimmappaji and shantnuji, If Maya is a part of God, why is it that such great saints and yogis as Shakracharya, Buddha and many such others simply dismissed the universe as illusion. Second point is If Maya has an independent existence or it is created by our mind ? And finally which path is the best to transcend Maya.... Bhakti, Gyan or Tantra or any other way?? aum Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 maya in action is leela. Leela means known acts of playfullness.In leela one plays/acts purposefully. Maya is an illusion, physical side of brahman. In leela the does is stable within, while in maya its unknown act for the doer. We are in maya, but what krishna did was leela. --- On Fri, 8/5/09, jaya_sundram <no_reply > wrote: jaya_sundram <no_reply > Re: Another Yaksha Prashana - Maya Friday, 8 May, 2009, 1:24 PM Dear Thimmappa i did not understand the difference between maya and lila. will you re-explain simple words ? jaya Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 A spiritual person is in the state of leela. He has experinced brahman and superseeded maya.The maya manifestation he knows well. This quote may answer the question. A common person believes proportionately sufferings experinced by the spiritual person,since the leela is beyond his capacity.Means the more the spiritual person is sufferer the more the people get attracted towards him. Spiritual person want first people to faith and trust in him. It is out of his sympathy towards these spiritually poor people. He sets an example in front of them. Then people start beliving in survival miracles.This is one of the many ways of a true guru to attract people to journey towards there own centre. Only a true sufferer can lead .and only a true experinced one can guide. --- On Fri, 8/5/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: shanracer <no_reply > Re: Another Yaksha Prashana - Maya Friday, 8 May, 2009, 3:30 PM > Maya does help us in Sadhna by " producing a reason (dukha, kashta, >klesh....) " to do Sadhna. Who would otherwise want to return to GOD!!! >:-) Thus, dear Aum ji, I think, it can be said that Maya is necessary >for this creation otherwise creation does not exist. Thanks Anupamji. But then, why do spiriutal people also suffer, as they are already on path of God? Or is God like an evil dictator, who likes to keep everyone on their toes? luv, shantnu Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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