Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Namaste, A friend(atheist) said to me " Krishna spent all his time flirting with women. He once forced the Gopis to appear naked before him, he would dance with them all the time, even with married women. Then he went ahead & married 16,000 women. When I do the same things(flirt with women), your priests call me sinner. But Krishna did this, & he is God. why is that? " What answer should I give him? luv, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Namaste all. An excerpt to answer the question: Objection: We will follow the conduct of Lord Krishna. He married sixteen thousand women and also sported with many more gopis in Vrindavana. Resolution: Be careful. In all matters the scriptures are the authority. They are unanimous in declaring that each and every avatara of god has a different way of bringing home its lesson. Thus while we are to consider Lord Rama's conduct as an ideal benchmark, Krishna's lila is not to be emulated but meditated upon. According to that delightful biography of Krishna, the Shrimad Bhagavata Purana: " Gods are often seen transcending dharma and indulging in overbold tasks. However, those deeds do not leave a blemish on their glory. Fire consumes everything, even impure substances such as filth and corpses, but remains ever auspicious and pure. Those of us who lack these qualities should not even think of doing these actions, let alone perform them. It is Lord Shiva who drank the poison threatening the world, anybody else would have been reduced to ashes if he tried the same. " (10.33.30-31) " He who reverentially listens and narrates Lord Krishna's love games with the gopis speedily overcomes the malady of lust. " (10.30.40) The whole purpose of Lord Krishna's lila is to eventually sow the seed of disenchantment with material pleasures. The Bhagavata Purana says: " Krishna enjoyed all the pleasures of life, but remained unattached to them. He delighted everybody by his endearing smile and nectar-like words. At night he reveled with women, giving them the pleasure of his company, showing them momentary affection. After thus enjoying life for many years, he felt aversion (viraga) towards the life of a householder and the pleasures therein. Indeed, when Lord Krishna himself became disenchanted with material pleasures, how can we, who are devoted to him, trust them? " (3.3.19-23) from: http://www.exoticindia.com/article/avatar > A friend(atheist) said to me > > " Krishna spent all his time flirting with women. He once forced the Gopis to appear naked before him, he would dance with them all the time, even with married women. Then he went ahead & married 16,000 women. > > What answer should I give him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Also krishna's love is not with the bodies but with the souls because our atma is a part of pramatma. Even few weeks back shantanu narrated a story about krishna's devotee who came out of bathroom naked when krishna knocked the door. There was another story which I read here at saadhna group only... When lord krishna had to go to meet kansa then on the way many girls were standing on the sides of roads to see him and there was a girl who was ugly with a hump on her back. Lord krishna came to her and corrected her hump and told her that she is very beautiful. He is beloved for gopis, child for old ones, friend for youngsters, lord almighty for devotees and kaal for paapis. The way you want to love him the way he is available for you Regards, Amit Arora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 lord krishna cud be with each wife every nite simutaneously and its there in the srimad bhagwat opuran that lord narad saw this. lord narad had same doubts like u and he himself goes and sees sees lord krishna with each wife together. so if u can do this u can have 16000 or more wives,no one is stopping u. reg gopis when he did this elela he was 8 years old. om shakti gopal On 4/23/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: > A friend(atheist) said to me > > " Krishna spent all his time flirting with women. He once forced the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Namaste. Though this question has been asked by many Westerners, one devotee asked me why Lord Krishna limited Himself by marrying 'only' 16,000 or so wives when God has 'unlimited powers' !!! Vedas have declared that God alone is the true Husband of all, including the so called mortal husbands......patiM patInAM paramaM parastAd...... tamIzvarANaM paramaM mahezvaraM taM devatAnAM paramaM ca daivataM patiM patInAM paramaM parastAd vidAma devaM bhuvanezam IDyam (Svetasvatara Upanishad.6.7) O Supreme Lord, You are the Mahesvara, the Worshippable Diety of all heavenly gods, the Supreme Husband of all husbands, You are the Supreme Controller of all controllers, and the Lord of everything worshippable. Lord Krishna said this in Gita: gatir bhartA prabhuH sAkSI nivAsaH zaraNam suhRt - 9.18 I am the goal, the sustainer, the master, the witness, the abode, the refuge, and the most dear friend. I am the creation and the annihilation, the basis of everything, the resting place and the eternal seed. That is why Saint Mirabai has said to Jiva Goswami in Vrindavan that the only 'Purusha' (Male) is the Lord Purushottama Krishna. All the rest are His shaktis (females), the unlimited souls are His Jiva Shakti. Shakti is naturally feminine. It is strange that many desire to follow only Lord Krishna's amorous pastimes but no one wants to imitate His super human exploits like killing the ferocious demons in His childhood, dancing on the heads of Kaliya serpent, lifting the Govardhan mountain, swallowing the forest fire, showing His Universal form to Arjuna etc,.. Jaya Sri Radhe! > > " Krishna spent all his time flirting with women. Then he went ahead & married 16,000 women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Try evaluating the facts in the light of Krishna as a tantrik and you'll understand the actions. Love in tantra is like a cup overflowing with whatever it is filled with. All people see the iceberg above the sea, but that's just 1/10th of it. >>Namaste, >>A friend(atheist) said to me " Krishna spent all his time flirting with women. He once forced the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 OMNAMONARAYANAYA Shantnuji , Lord Krishna spent Prime Time with Rukmini but that did not contain enough spice for poets.The other Similar Prime Time Lord Krishna spent as a Charioteer of Arjun. preaching SRIMADBHAGAVADGITA . This time is not spicy but poets could not escape covering it in detail. Lord married 1600 Gopikas who expressed their devotion through dance and song which Krishna reciprocated with flute. Gopikas thought they could hide something from Lord Krishna. The Lord taught them and u s that nothing is hidden from Him. God knows all of us NAKED in body and mind. ijswamy ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ --- On Thu, 4/23/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: shanracer <no_reply > Krishnas wives Thursday, April 23, 2009, 8:21 AM Namaste, A friend(atheist) said to me " Krishna spent all his time flirting with women. He once forced the Gopis to appear naked before him, he would dance with them all the time, even with married women. Then he went ahead & married 16,000 women. When I do the same things(flirt with women), your priests call me sinner. But Krishna did this, & he is God. why is that? " What answer should I give him? luv, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 , pyari_h <no_reply wrote: > > Namaste. > Though this question has been asked by many Westerners, one devotee >asked me why Lord Krishna limited Himself by marrying 'only' 16,000 Thanks Swamiji, Gopalji, Varunji, Amitji. Pyariji, as usual, your answers were beautiful. Yes, that was a trick question. Venkatji raised a good point in his blog- why Hindus dont have a proper history? The reason, as he says is, the Universe is cyclical, & time is an illusion. Some insects live & die in 1 day, while the Gods live for millions of our years. Time is seen differently by different beings. As such, attaching too much importance to what happened in human time is unecessary. Most of these histories are written to boost the ego of the writers, who are usually the winners. So Alexander, who murdered millions of people, burnt libraries & temples, became " Great " because he won, while Hitler was evil because he lost. The closest thing to Indian history could be the Mahabharat & Ramayan. The Mahabharat clearly says Krishna left his village when he was 8 years old- so him flirting with girls, dancing in the forest with other women late at night, are clearly not possible. Before the time he had entered puberty, he had killed his evil uncle Kansa & become a prince. After that, he hardly had time to dance in forests! These stories are taken from the Bhagwad Purana, the most esoteric. Anyone who quotes the Bhagwad literally hasnt understood it(unfortunately, thats how its usually quoted). Krishna here is the Universal Soul, like Param-Shiva in Tantra. The Gopis are the senses & mind, " married " to the outer world, but secretly in love with the Spirit. Krishna often forces them to appear naked before him- naked here means without any prejudices, any mental thougths or ideas of what God should be. Naked also means without the covering of the 3 Gunas, which is why many Goddesses like Kali are also naked. Krishnas 16000 wives also has an esoteric meaning. I wrote a post on that, which I will digg out & post again. luv, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 > " Krishna spent all his time flirting with women. He once forced the Gopis to appear naked before him, he would dance with them all the time, even with married women. Then he went ahead & married 16,000 women. > When I do the same things(flirt with women), your priests call me sinner. But Krishna did this, & he is God. why is that? " > ---------------- HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN please ask that person (i) what do you see when you see your wife and your sister (ii) what do you feel when you touch your wife and your sister (iii) could you feel your wife as your brother while touching, seeing, talking,............................. it is very difficult to understand that a great Yogi sees nothing in a naked women except her soul and feels only love of that women. That love does not create any thing IN THAT YOGI except peace, peace and PEACE. KYONKI US YOGI KI AANKHON KE SAAMNE KOI PARDA NAHIN HOTA JO NAGAN KO JANAM DE SAKE Also Lord Sri Krishan had not forced 16000 women to marry, but they requested Lord to give a status of husband in the society as allready beautifully explained by our sadhaka. but the question is that why Lord Sri Krishan taught the lesson of a great Yogi. HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN KRISHAN, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 dear friend, spiritualism can mean many things. a muslim killing a hindu or breaking a temple will say its his spiritual duty, so who is right and who is wrong ??? so krishna marry 16000 wife is a question and has a logical answer what i pointed out abt kalnemi and 16000 women. so spiritual can be relative also. better stick to facts and keep spiritualism personal. truth is no jehova/allah created man from mud/dirt. no god create brahmin from his moutn,kshatriya from his shoulder,vaishya from his leg or shudra from his foot. we r evoeld by nature = prakruti = adi shakti,this is mentioned in srimad devi bhagwat puran,and also sri devi atharvasheesh. all gods and goddesses r aspects of the energy brahma vishnu rudra r creative protective destructive energy. same way fire,water,space,sky,sun,all planets etc r also aprt of nature. we interpret all as per our spiritual elanings. bottom line is : be good to all hate none. om shakti gopal On 4/24/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Namaste. Here is one of my favorite beautiful verses from Srimad Bhagavatam spoken by the great devotee and jnani Uddhava, which is thought provoking. karmANyanIhasya bhavo 'bhavasya te durgAzrayo 'thAribhayAt palAyanam | kAlAtmano yat pramadAyutAzrayaH svAtman rate khidyati dhIr vidAm iha || SBh.P 3.4.16 " O Lord! You're actionless but perform pastimes, and You're birthless, still You've appearance. Though You manifest in the form of death itself, You flee from enemies into the fortress out of fear, and although You're delighted in Your blissful Self, 'You take shelter of many pleasing youthful women.' All these actions of Yours torment EVEN the wisdom of the enlightened ones! " There is no doubt about it that when Sri Krishna's pastimes all show Him simultaneously omniscient and bewildering, this is the perfection of His own inconceivable potency. That is why the Vedas have also described the Supreme Lord being the " shelter of all contradictions " . This bewilderment is also the very soul of the Lord's blissful pastimes, that are the essence of the transcendental potency , 'Swaroopa Shakti' of the Lord. These sublime Divine attributes are Lord Krishna's constitutional position. Jaya Sri Radhe! , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > But Krishna did this, & he is God. why is that? " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Namaste. ......In the golden words of Swami Vivekananda: " What love shakes the whole nature of man, what love runs through every atom of his being, makes him mad, makes him forget his own nature, transforms him, makes him a god as the love between man and woman? In this sweet representation of divine love God is our husband. We are all women; there are no men in this world; there is but One man - Hari and he is our beloved. All that love which man gives to a woman, or woman to man, is here given up to the Lord. " Indeed, since between lovers there are no secrets, by approaching divinity as a lover we enter into the mystery of god. There is an inner innocent girl waiting within each of us, desiring to emerge and play with our friendly cowherd in an exchange of love. ....... Awakening the Inner Woman Bhakti and the Doctrine of Love from: http://www.exoticindia.com/article/bhakti , pyari_h <no_reply wrote: > Vedas have declared that God alone is the true Husband of all, including > the so called mortal husbands......patiM patInAM paramaM parastAd...... > > tamIzvarANaM paramaM mahezvaraM > taM devatAnAM paramaM ca daivataM > patiM patInAM paramaM parastAd > vidAma devaM bhuvanezam IDyam > > (Svetasvatara Upanishad.6.7) > > O Supreme Lord, You are the Mahesvara, > the Worshippable Diety of all heavenly gods, > the Supreme Husband of all husbands, > You are the Supreme Controller of all controllers, > and the Lord of everything worshippable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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