Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Dear Sadhanas, While i was hearing shiva slogas.. I felt like i just wanna run out of my house and i wanted to shout calling " Appa..Appa.. " . Appa hear means " father " as Lord Shiva. I realised i am shouting for him and searching everywhere for him. But at the same time, I could not. Because as a wife, I should serve my husband till my end. As, as a wife i should do my duty serving my husband. I am little confused here. Am i have to do my duty or get moksha.If i am not doing my duty then it is wrong na? Then how can i get moksha? sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 OMNAMONARAYANAYA Hindus are supposed to see God anywhere,everywhere and always. Serving anyone including your husband is serving God or Shiva. You sound like a devout wife and sadhak. Moksha is assured to persons like you. ijswamy ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ --- On Mon, 3/23/09, sarvamaatha <no_reply > wrote: sarvamaatha <no_reply > Moksha or duty? Monday, March 23, 2009, 3:40 AM Dear Sadhanas, While i was hearing shiva slogas.. I felt like i just wanna run out of my house and i wanted to shout calling " Appa..Appa. . " . Appa hear means " father " as Lord Shiva. I realised i am shouting for him and searching everywhere for him. But at the same time, I could not. Because as a wife, I should serve my husband till my end. As, as a wife i should do my duty serving my husband. I am little confused here. Am i have to do my duty or get moksha.If i am not doing my duty then it is wrong na? Then how can i get moksha? sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 > Am i have to do my duty or get moksha.If i am not doing my duty then it is wrong na? Then how can i get moksha? > > sarvamaatha. > --- HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN Dear Madem If you are getting the Mokhsha than it means your duty for the husband has already been completed. Congratulations please do not forget me HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN KRISHAN, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > If you are getting the Mokhsha than it means your duty for the husband >has already been completed. Congratulations please do not forget me Lol, thats good point Jitendarji. You cannot get Moksha till you have paid most of your Karmic debts. thats why the run to jungle crowd usually never reach anywhere. luv, Shantnu PS- One could even argue what moksha is- is it leaving world to enter some unknown void/Brahm, or is it knowing our true identity, & using that to work in world? But thats another discussion...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > >Lol, thats good point Jitendarji. You cannot get Moksha till you have >paid most of your Karmic debts. thats why the run to jungle crowd >usually never reach anywhere. But dont our shastras say that you cannot get moksha by acting in the world, by performing Karma? I read somewhere that Gyan(knowledge) & Karma(action) are opposite? Thats why the advanced Yogis had to renoucne the world? I am not an expert, so pls enlighten, Radha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Dear Jitendarji and Shantuji. Thank you for your answers.I could not understand why i felt like this? If i should not run out, Then what should i do? To sit and meditate? Is that what Lord shiva is saying to me by this feeling? sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Dears, Let me throw my two cents here. Moksha or Duty is not the right question. Moksha is the destination and duty is one of the path to that destination. Meditation or Duty as path to the final destination is the question. Moksha again is really the Self-Realization or Union with the Supreme Universal Creative Energy, and it is rightfully termed Moksha, because there is no duality at that One Universal Energy. When there is no duality, there is no happiness or sorrow, there is no good and evil,.......etc.. The Yogis and Saadhus who have reached this state of union with Oneness, have mostly done it through deep penance or deep meditation and other rituals that goes along with it. For them there is no books, internet, no discussions, no debates, no family duty, nothing of that sort. Their only way is pure concentration and meditation to expand their mind energy to communicate with their Soul energy and thus shoot out of the time/space boundary for ultimate union. For people like us who are entangled in the worldly life, chatting on internet, writing such blogs, reading books, listening to discourses, exchanging ideas, educating each other, debating on definitions, running after money and wealth to make our lives, ......etc....WE ARE NOT INTO DEEP PENANCE or UNDISTURBED MEDITATION. For, such a path would not raise any such questions, or doubt about anything related to the Supreme Being. Thus for us, who are engrossed in worldly / materialistic life who can't have all our five senses under complete and constant control, the path of DUTY is more relevant and appropriate. In addition to performing our DUTY flawlessly, meditation, prayers and tantric rituals helps but does not serve to be just the only path. We can discuss further on DUTY in another session. At Mother's Lotus Feet, Shakti Thondan --- On Mon, 3/23/09, sarvamaatha <no_reply > wrote: sarvamaatha <no_reply > Re: Moksha or duty? Monday, March 23, 2009, 1:27 PM Dear Jitendarji and Shantuji. Thank you for your answers.I could not understand why i felt like this? If i should not run out, Then what should i do? To sit and meditate? Is that what Lord shiva is saying to me by this feeling? sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 > Thank you for your answers.I could not understand why i felt like this? > > If i should not run out, Then what should i do? To sit and meditate? Is that what Lord shiva is saying to me by this feeling? > ---------------------- HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN Lord Sri Krishan said in Srimad Bhagwad Geeta that " MOKSHA PARAYAN MANUSHYA KE LIYE IS SANSAR MAIN NA TO KOI KARAM KARNE SE HI TATPARYA RAHETA HAI AUR NA HI TO KARAM NA KARNE SE " But there are certain minimum Karmas AS PER DHARMA which you have to perform to continue the state of Moksha till the end OTHERWISE YOU MAY GO DOWN. HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN KRISHAN, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Thanks Swamiji, Jituji, Shaktiji, radhaji, & others who answered. This has become a great myth in India( & other parts of world too) that you have to run away from the world to get Moksha. Acc. to this myth, Moksha is somewhere " out " there, & the only way to reach it is to negate body, mind, into some unknown God/Brahm/Void. If that was our only goal, why waste time taking birth, if we had to merge back in God again? But the Vedas & Upanishads say Moksha is knowing your True Self, the common Spirit, our highest state of awareness. But once one knows that, once one has become part of the Ocean, there is no need to sit in jungle. In fact, its a very fake enlightenment if you lose it in 1st contact with humanity. What sort of moksha is this that if you close your eyes, you are enlightenend, but if you open them, you are not! Sitting quietly & meditating maybe the easiest way(for most people) to reach our higher state of awareness, but its not the only way! Bodhidharma, taught Kung Fu to the chinese as a way of meditating. some people think thats it was to protect them from robbers, buts thats very shallow. After all, if you want to protect yourself, get a weapon(sword, bow arrow). Soldiers/police dont spend 20 years learning Kung fu, they spend 2-3 months how to fight with sword, arrows, guns in modern times. No, what Bodhidharma found was, the Chinese were very weak(or lazy ), they fell asleep during meditation. So he taught them kung fu, to show them you could achieve same effect by moving that you can have by sitting. Sitting queitly is just a technique, but people have turned it into a goal. Thats where all the " run away from world " came from- they couldnt sit quietly in cities, so they thought running away would help. Real gurus have always known this is fake- Swami Shivananda said, if you cant meditate in the comfort of your house, with all the luxuries, how will you meditate in some harsh jungle? Moksha is to know we are part of something bigger than this body, even bigger than mind, & act from that conciousness, not our petty ego. The reason Karma holds us back is, because we identify with this body. Stop identifying with the body, & you are no longer bound by Karma! After all, its the bodies Karma, not yours. But till you realise this truth( & not read it in a book), you have to, with full love & awareness, fulfill all your Karma. To summarise: We cannot escape into some Moksha, as there is no where to go! We have to realise our True state of Being-concioussness-Bliss (Satchitananda) here in this body. It is hard, but thats why we took birth, so we can speed up the process. Brave souls( & wicked ones ) are born in Kaliyug, so they dont have to spend millions of years getting Moksha, which is what happens in Satyuga. Its like mountain climbing- kids may be happy climbing the local hill, but the professional will not settle for anything less than Everest. This is our Everest- we have to achive Moksha, while still living in the evil world of darkness. with luv, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Dear Shantnuji, It is illuminating. I wholly concur with all you have said. It is here and now and within for peace and prosperity. Regards, Thimmappa. , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > Thanks Swamiji, Jituji, Shaktiji, radhaji, & others who answered. > > This has become a great myth in India( & other parts of world too) that you have to run away from the world to get Moksha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 > > While i was hearing shiva slogas.. I felt like i just wanna run out of my house and i wanted to shout calling " Appa..Appa.. " . Appa hear means " father " as Lord Shiva. I realised i am shouting for him and searching everywhere for him. But at the same time, I could not. Because as a wife, I should serve my husband till my end. As, as a wife i should do my duty serving my husband. I am little confused here. > > Am i have to do my duty or get moksha.If i am not doing my duty then it is wrong na? Then how can i get moksha? > > sarvamaatha. LOL Mayandi if you are shouting 'father, father, father' that is natural-you are not doing it deliberately nor are you doing a crime.You are so close to father.So please remember that he is the real doer of everything-it is not without his will that you cry for him.Love is natural - nor it is not for moksha or anything conditional.But maybe your small doubts are telling you that you are being unfair to your husband etc.Please remember that you are on a path where father will guide you for everything.Even do your duty and karma for you.You are misunderstanding yourself, the situation , and fathers potential and his love who is also my father . Smile and relax > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Dear free, While calling " Father.. " i also felt like as if i am a small little girl going out with my father and suddenly i was lost and searching my father. In here also i felt father as lord shiva. I still could not understand this concept properly. Ofcourse i belive that duty first and rest in next. This question just popped out now. Why did Ramanuja left his wife and went in search of god. Please do not think i am saying wrong about Ramanuja. I belive this answer will give me an answer. Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Dears, In the same note as Ramanuja, why did Buddha abandon his family to seek the " Truth " ? Contrary, why was Lord Krishna married and was surrounded by Gopikas all the time. Why was Lord Rama's wife Sita Devi kidnapped by Ravana, later recovered back by Rama after killing several thousand people in the war, only to abandon her later in Rama's life based on a absured comments by dhobi family? Raising these kinds of questions is not the Gnana Path to Wisdom or Self-Realization? These questions arise in our mind only due to our inquisitivenss to find logics behind these happenings of the past. One thing I can say here is that whatever happened in the lives of these great sages, we must look only into HOWs and not WHYs. Each of our lives is driven and centered around our karmic aura. So trying to question what happened and why it happened that way in Ramanuja and Buddha's life, which is based on their karmic cycle (that we don't have a clue about), will not get us anywhere. Instead focus on how did Buddha achieve that state? How did Ramanuja achieve the state of sagehood. What are the Saadhanaa, rituals, rites, meditation practices, pujas, did they perform? If you keenly notice, none of these achieved and evolved souls raised the kind of questions that we raise. They simply followed their soul guidance, did the saadhanaa and rituals and poojas with full devotion and bhakti. Moreover, they sacrificed their personal life to go in search of the Truth. They were not haphazard. I am not saying we shouldn't question. I am only emphasizing that we must ask relevant questions. At Mother's Lotus Feet, Shakti Thondan --- On Wed, 3/25/09, sarvamaatha <no_reply > wrote: sarvamaatha <no_reply > Re: Moksha or duty? Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:51 PM Dear free, While calling " Father.. " i also felt like as if i am a small little girl going out with my father and suddenly i was lost and searching my father. In here also i felt father as lord shiva. I still could not understand this concept properly. Ofcourse i belive that duty first and rest in next. This question just popped out now. Why did Ramanuja left his wife and went in search of god. Please do not think i am saying wrong about Ramanuja. I belive this answer will give me an answer. Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 > > This question just popped out now. Why did Ramanuja left his wife and went in search of god. Please do not think i am saying wrong about Ramanuja. I belive this answer will give me an answer. > > Sarvamaatha. > Dear Sarvamtha he chased God because he was destined to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 > Dear Sarvamtha he chased God because he was destined to do so. > Dear Free, Why not he take his wife along with him to chase god?, instead of leaving his wife? So his wife can also do her duty by serving him. Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 > Dear Free, > > Why not he take his wife along with him to chase god?, instead of leaving his wife? So his wife can also do her duty by serving him. > > Sarvamaatha. > good answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 > Dear Free, > > Why not he take his wife along with him to chase god?, instead of leaving his wife? So his wife can also do her duty by serving him. > > Sarvamaatha. > good answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 > Dear Free, > > Why not he take his wife along with him to chase god?, instead of leaving his wife? So his wife can also do her duty by serving him. > > Sarvamaatha. >Dear Sarvamaatha maybe he was too much preoccupied with his craving for God to have enough senses for anything else- bad or good.Like its not in ones hand as at certain times maybe the saints' naturally have too much intense longing for God and no sense of other things.Maybe thats the reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Dear Free, I could not understand what you have written. Can you still put it in very simple words. I hope you know that i am poor in understanding your standard of english. If you have time, Please explain. Thanks, Sarvamaatha. > >Dear Sarvamaatha maybe he was too much preoccupied with his craving for God to have enough senses for anything else- bad or good.Like its not in ones hand as at certain times maybe the saints' naturally have too much intense longing for God and no sense of other things.Maybe thats the reason > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 , sarvamaatha <no_reply wrote: > > Dear Free, > > I could not understand what you have written Dear Sarvamaatha I meant that his devotion was perhaps too intense.He could not live without God at all and could not decide or think of other things.It is said when devotion is too intense one can not live without it for eg the body needs foods daily to survive Otherwise the hunger would be very painful.Similarly the saint needs devotion to survive and he can no longer live without it even for one moment. hOPE U UNDERSTOOD MY VIEWPOINT THIS TIME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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