regarding mecahnical poojas and yogic poojas.....

[Guest guest]

Namaste sadhak,

                                i read u in - u said that almost all

astrolgers are well versed in scriptures but still they are in blind light ,

doing mechanical poojas ,rituals etc..  I fully agre with u but according to me

,rituals are for increasing your awareness, consciousness at par level where

person get divine bliss. After doing rituals,poojas again and again one must

start realising true spirit of himself but nowadays every one is not gaining

this knowledge on that level.

 

                               But tell me how to do astrology and remedies

without rituals ,poojas etc...Because one if somebody needs to pray to lord

Vishnu who is the pratyadhi devta of Budha planet then one must know how to do

shodashupachara, or dasopchara pooja. Even doing rudrabhishekha one requires to

pour water ,milk on shivalinga with proper mantras and techniques,   plus in

addition there are various things like doing nyaas, mudras, etccc.

 

so tell me how can one ordinary man get true essence of his own self indulging

in parmatma. if u have any trick then please write me ,so that firstly i will

follow then i will teach others so that whole society get yogic essence. please

write me in simpler words so that i will teach laymen. ok , treat me as a

layman.

 

                          its very important question i put to u. so please

kindly tell me how to do astrology without doing rituals, poojas . Teach me how

to make a person a yogic in true awared fashion. if suppose one have daridra

yoga in kundali, then how to give remedy to that sufferer whithout indulging him

in rituals and poojas.

 

please dont mind. actually i want to learn. because i am also an astrologer from

ICAS. I am jyotish visharad. But people are facing suffering of there karmas ,so

help me so that i wll help others.

 

thansk,

dheeraj,

delhi

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, dheeraj khosla <khosladheeraj wrote:

>

> Namaste sadhak,

> i read u in - u said that >almost

all astrolgers are well versed in scriptures but still they are >in blind light

, doing mechanical poojas ,rituals etc.. I fully agre

 

Namaste Dheeraji,

 

I dont know the asnwer- I am not a Guru! Thats why we have this club- so we can

learn from each other. Perhaps you can answer your own question? Or why not

answer my other question, which Iposted earlier as " Fate vs free will " . Here is

what my spiritual friend asked me:

 

" If Astrology is true, it means we have no free will? After all, 100s of people

born the same day, hour & minute, dont always share their fortune.

Also, it means we can blame our misfortunes on the planets, as well as our bad

habits. After all, if i murder someone, is it really my fault if my

Mars(violence planet) was strong at the time? If I am poor, is it because I am

lazy, or because my Saturn is bad? "

 

luv,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

I believe that there are three things in operation in our lives. Karma, free

will and the grace of God/Guru. If our life has to be based purely on our karma

and there is no scope for free will, it becomes too mechanical and stereotyped.

But, we can see for ourselves that life is after all an evolution and not a

mechanical repetition. Every moment we continue to evolve into a newer being. An

interplay of thesis and anti-thesis gives rise to synthesis. Hence, I do not

believe that life is entirely shaped by destiny alone. I agree that if the

forces of karma is so strong, no amount of your free- will can over come the

pull of your karma.

 

Besides both these principles, there is what is called the grace of God/Guru,

who in his loving kindness can ummake your karma and free will. But, God, who

has provided the scheme of karma and life, will as a matter of rule, not

interfere with the forces of destiny and free will. He remains a mute witness to

the unfolding drama arising out of the interplay of karma and will. But, He does

use His discretion occassionally to interfere with this scheme in the lives of

certain chosen individuals as in the case of Markandeya, Prahlad etc

 

Hari om Tat Sat

 

ulaganthan p

 

 

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shanracer <no_reply >

 

Monday, 16 March, 2009 12:11:10 AM

Re: regarding mecahnical poojas and yogic poojas.....

 

 

@ s.com, dheeraj khosla <khosladheeraj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Namaste sadhak,

> i read u in - u said that >almost all astrolgers are well versed in

scriptures but still they are >in blind light , doing mechanical poojas ,rituals

etc.. I fully agre

 

Namaste Dheeraji,

 

I dont know the asnwer- I am not a Guru! Thats why we have this club- so we can

learn from each other. Perhaps you can answer your own question? Or why not

answer my other question, which Iposted earlier as " Fate vs free will " . Here is

what my spiritual friend asked me:

 

" If Astrology is true, it means we have no free will? After all, 100s of people

born the same day, hour & minute, dont always share their fortune.

Also, it means we can blame our misfortunes on the planets, as well as our bad

habits. After all, if i murder someone, is it really my fault if my

Mars(violence planet) was strong at the time? If I am poor, is it because I am

lazy, or because my Saturn is bad? "

 

luv,

Shantnu

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, ulaganathan p <apunathan wrote:

>

> I believe that there are three things in operation in our lives.

 

Thanks ulaganathanji. But what is the balance between Free will &

destiny(leaving gods grace for the moment, as God loves everyone equally, yet

people are not equally happy)?

 

How far is an ordniary man influence by destiny? How far is a Sadhak?

 

Astrologers routinely find everything in the astrological chart, even if you

will get Moksha or not. That means we dont have to do anything, as God/Fate has

decided everything?

 

luv,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

> After following our discussion on astrology, a friend(who is a spiriutal

person) asked me this:

>

> " If Astrology is true, it means we have no free will? After all, 100s of

people born the same day, hour & minute, dont always share their fortune.

> >

 

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

Thanks for posting a very beautiful question,thanks Sir Ji

 

as per second portion of your question

 

" Also, it means we can blame our misfortunes on the planets, as well as our bad

habits. After all, if i murder someone, is it really my fault if my

Mars(violence planet) was strong at the time? If I am poor, is it because I am

lazy, or because my Saturn is bad? "

 

in my opinion We should not blame the Planets. we are in that position of the

Planets because of our own Karmas. The Planets are doing their job. eg The sun

is following its cycle and never becomes late in performing His duty, but we

sometimes remains in sunshine and sometimes remains in the shadow. The

temerature of earth is rising because of our own actions ie pollution and not

because of Sun,s behaviour.

 

if i murder someone than followings are the possibilities

 

1. it could be because of our previous Karmas

2. It could be because of our own greedy desire

3. it could be as our DUTY

4. it could be because of balancing the karmas

 

whatever it is, it is definetely written in our destiny ( As per Brahma Kumari's

institution).

 

As for as concern with the free will, i would say that it is also it is not, it

depends upon the reference from which you are viewing the free wil.

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> if i murder someone than followings are the possibilities

>

> 1. it could be because of our previous Karmas

> 2. It could be because of our own greedy desire

> 3. it could be as our DUTY

> 4. it could be because of balancing the karmas

>

 

Thanks Jitendarji.

 

Can we say that, whatever Karma we had in the Past *NOW* we are in control- & as

Sadhaks we will control our destiny?

 

So even if we can kill someone(I dont mean Army etc, as its their dharma), even

if we have a good reason & the means to do it, still we wont do it, as *NOW* we

are taking control of our destiny, & we wont let blind subconcious forces affect

us?

 

Coming back to my original point, does that also mean Astrology will fail for

such a Sadhak, as he/she is going against their Karmic programming?

 

with love,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

I think whichever force is stronger will prevail in the struggle between karma

and free will. If despite ones best efforts, one fails to get the desired

results, the presumption is that the forces of karma are too strong to overcome.

The Saint-Poet Thiruvalluvar, while acknowledging the inevitability of karma

does say that one who incessantly struggles and slogs can surmount karma " Ool " ,

as he calls it in Tamil. But, the moot point is how does one come to acquire

free will. Is that also a product of ones karma? Does one acquire it

accidentally or does it come to him as a grace of God? The answer, I am afraid,

seems to be elusive. Ultimately we must admit that it is 'lila' of God. You have

said that God's grace is universal to all.I think that statement needs a

qualification. He is benevolent to all in that He gives all the same conditions

of life with each individual to fend for Himself. The forces of Nature work in

same manner to all. Karma is the

instrument of God in exacting  punishment and reward for ones acts of evil and

good respectively. But He does show a partiality to Him who had totally

surrended Himself to Him. A simple and pure bhakta becomes a worthy receptacle

of God's grace and all that the bhakta wills, God provides. The difference lies

in the purity of heart.

 

I agree that the modern practitioners of astrology try to make it too simplistic

and hood wink the gullible.

 

I am of the view that the right attitutde is to accept whatever we are destined

to with quiet equanimity. After all, we suffer in this life only to work out our

karma.It is God's grace which makes you take a re-birth so that you wipe out

your karma. Let thy will be done-- is the matra to face destiny. We need to

excercise our free will to continue to do our duty, even in the face of

adversity and pray Him for the strength to face the adversity without sagging

our morale and will.

 

The difference between an ordinary man and a sadhak is that the former shows

attachment in the struggle and hence he suffers and the latter remains detached

even in the face of adversity and hence does not suffer. For the common man,

life means suffering and for the sadhak it is an opportunity to evolve.

 

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

ulaganthan p

[Guest guest]

> Can we say that, whatever Karma we had in the Past *NOW* we are in control- &

as Sadhaks we will control our destiny?

>

> So even if we can kill someone(I dont mean Army etc, as its their dharma),

even if we have a good reason & the means to do it, still we wont do it, as

*NOW* we are taking control of our destiny, & we wont let blind subconcious

forces affect us?

Coming back to my original point, does that also mean Astrology will fail for

such a Sadhak, as he/she is going against their Karmic programming?

-----

 

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR GREAT SATSANG

 

Do not you think so that " control of destiny " is also the part of your destiny.

And hence astrology would not fail for any kind of Perosn wheather Sadhaka or

criminal.We are not the expert of Astrology. if we would have the knowledge of

such astrology, we would have got the MOKSHA....................

 

 

THE ABOVE PARA IS SURRENDERED TO THE LORD BRAHMA KUMARI'S INSTITUTIONS

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

, ulaganathan p <apunathan wrote:

>

> I think whichever force is stronger will prevail in the struggle

 

Thanks ulaganthanji for the detailed answer.

 

You have said there are 2 ways out of the trap of Karma- make our will stronger,

or surrender to God. Which of these do you think is better?

 

Also, regards my other question, if we surrender completely, arent we the same

as animals? Also, most people surrender out of fear- is such a surrender of any

use?

 

Isnt it better to say, like the Buddhists & Taoists say, that there is no God,

that I myself am blame for my good/bad Karma? That way there is no hypocricy, no

self delusion,- if there is a God, we will know when we get enlightenment!

Meanwhile, all we have to worry about is our own actions?

 

luv,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

It seems like both are needed. You said yourself earlier, that the biggest

challenge is to give up control of your fate to God. This requires a strong

will.

 

What you give up to God is your Ego - the little 'i' - that says " I deserve to

get this " , " I am afraid " .

 

Also, on the topic of Karma and free-will. In reality they are the same thing.

Two sides of the same coin. We act out of free-will, the resultant of our

actions is Karma. The fact that we cannot see actions in previous births, does

not negate the fact that we acted from free-will back then; and we continue to

do so now. If we have spent seven births walking south, then we have to work

seven times as hard to start walking northwards. That is the Impact of

Karma/free-will. Will-power (Continuing despite failures) and surrender to God

is key to the process.

 

btw the word Karma means both action and its result.

 

Rgds

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> , ulaganathan p <apunathan@> wrote:

> >

> > I think whichever force is stronger will prevail in the struggle

>

> Thanks ulaganthanji for the detailed answer.

>

> You have said there are 2 ways out of the trap of Karma- make our will

stronger, or surrender to God. Which of these do you think is better?

>

[Guest guest]

, satishvijayan <no_reply wrote:

>

> It seems like both are needed. You said yourself earlier, that the

 

Thanks Satishji, you have raised the correct point. Its our own free will that

led us into the current mess, & its our own free will that can lead us out.

 

So if a person did a lot of bad Karma in last lives, he has to suffer the result

now(with the planets merely giving us the " interest " of our investments). Unless

he " cheats " , & uses astrological tools like gems/puja to negate effect of

planets. So astrology does work!

 

But then the next question arises: By " cheating " our fate by using these tools,

are we trying to cheat our fate? Like the humourous link I send about

consolodating your Karma, so you have to suffer less. Isnt this the same thing-

maybe we havent learnt the lesson we were supposed to learn(like learning to

forgive & love all).

 

Instead, we just used astrological techniques to escape paying our debts, which

helped us in short term, but will have no effect in long term. It may even make

it worse for us, as we may start thinking the planets are easy to beat, so we

dont have to change our behaviour?

 

Should a Sadhak use these " cheats " then? Or should he accept resposibility for

his/her actions, & suffer silently?

 

luv,

Shantnu

 

PS- Other members should also discuss, else we will only get 1-2 types of

opinion. luv,