Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 My Dear Friends,  Warm Greetings to All  From few years I have came across the fact that the people are getting afraid by the few Astrologers by a myth “Kaal Sarp Yoga†(A planetary position in a horoscope which is not considered good at some instances)…. Kalsarp Yoga has become a very popular astrological concept today with a number of controversies surrounding its authenticity and true nature. Many astrologers claim that there is no mention of Kalsarp Yoga in any of the classical astrological texts. Now let us first understand what it is???? What is Kalsarp Yog? Why and how it is formed? What are its solutions and remedies? If all the seven planets come between Rahu and Ketu then Kalsarp Yog formed. If in between Rahu & Ketu all seven planets come then it is not considered good in Astrological studies. It is assumed that if a person who takes birth in this yoga suffer from various problems like child problems, loss in business, family problems etc. Rahu is known as snack and Ketu is its tail. All planets come under the execs of Rahu & Ketu because of which Kaal Sarp Yog is formed in horoscope. This Kalsarp Yog can be formed in any person's horoscope like king, rich, president, prime-minister, peon, poor etc. and those who has Kalsarp Yog in their horoscope, instead of they have all kind of facilities but always suffer from any tension, fear, insecure. A person who has bitten by snack cannot sit comfortably like this a person who has Kalsarp Yog in his horoscope always fear from death. Why this yog is formed? This yoga is more dangerous than other malefic yoga. This yoga effects a person till 47 years and some time throughout his life, its depend upon the position of Kaal Sarp yoga. If, in a horoscope, all the planets are placed between Dragon’s-head (Rahu) and Dragon’s- tail (Ketu), it is considered to be Kalsarp yoga. According to Indian astrology, there are many types of Kaal Sarp yoga- If inauspicious planets like Mars and Saturn are placed on the opposite side of ‘Rahu’ and ‘Ketu’, then it is considered to be a partial Kaalsarpa Yoga. In the partial Kaalsarpa Yoga, the effects are not as powerful as Kalsarp Yoga.                                         Let’s again come to our point…The people are wasting their money and energy both by the above misconceptions…and I am amazed that the Astrologers are well known about these facts and realities no matter they are new or old in this profession… The main reason of all this is the assumption of the ill effects of this yoga….It’s in our culture and custom that if something is harmful for us; the people will not find the root cause of that; the only thing they will do is to get away from the things and will fear always and will find the solutions by wasting time and money…. It might happen that the few respected and superior astrologers may find my version wrong; and if this is the point they are free to oppose my facts through the accurate base from the knowledgeable books so as to bring the Truth in front of all… The Kaal Sarp Yoga is not a curse for anyone and for this I have few facts which are as follows:- In a birth horoscope, there are 9 Planets in which 2 Planets are the Shadow Planets – Rahu & Ketu…the planetary position of the Earth is considered as the Planetary position of the person itself which is also known as “LAGNAâ€... The origin of the “Rahu & Ketu†is because of the tilt resolution of the Moon in compare with the straight resolution of the Earth…It is average tilted – 5 Ansh 8 Kala & 54 Vikala…This tilt sometimes become higher and becomes 5 Ansh 20 Kala & sometimes become less to the 4 Ansh 57 Kala…Because of the Sun and Earth rotation, the tune of the Moon minimum 2 times in a year comes in the centre direction between the Sun position…. Whenever the resolution of the Earth and the Moon cut each other in a straight line the adjoining point of the line is known as “SAMPAATâ€â€¦Whenever the Moon cuts the position of the Earth and get above on it is known as “AAROHI SAMPAATâ€â€¦similarly when it gets down it is known as “AVROHI SAMPAAT†or “AAROHI SAMPAAT Rahu†or “AVROHI SAMPAAT Ketuâ€â€¦ The Ketu is assumed as the shadow of the Moon and the Rahu as the shadow of the Earth…The Rahu revolve in the “Mandlakaar†shadow of the Earth… According to the Space Science, The Moon cuts the course / path of the Earth 2 times only in a month…Due to this, the Rahu & the Ketu cannot create together in any condition as the time taken to reach from 1st Sampaat to the 2nd Sampaat is approx – 13 Desh and 11 – 12 Hours… The Rahu & The Ketu remains together or they lie on the 180 degree positions…In most of the horoscopes, almost or maximum planets lie in between these two…but this doesn’t mean that these two will cause any useful or harmful effects on the strength or the effect of the planets…Remember, these two are the shadow planets hence neither they resemble any zodiac sign nor they have any ratings…hence they both acquire the ratings of the dominating positions… In a birth horoscope the position of the Rahu lies in the 3rd, 6th & the 11th positions… The external Planets like Mars, Jupiter & Saturn cannot come across in the effects of both Rahu & Ketu… When The Rahu gives the Auspicious results in its trick position then how the “Vashuki, Mahapadya, Vishaktâ€positins of the Kaal Sarp Yog will give the ill effects???? Rather then this the origin of the Kaal Sarp Yog from these positions is something dangerous… The most important point of controversy is that is this is a simple planetary position or a lack in a horoscope…. In Astrology any of the Yog (Planetary Position) originates under the 4 basic principles as follows:- The personal combination of the Planets The present positions of the Planets Special Timing of a Planet depending on its size and shape The special position of a zodiac sign with the Planets Now if any of the Yog either gives the Good Result or Bad Result overall; how come the Kaal Sarp Yog will effect someone to Good and Others to Bad???? Many of the renowned Astrologers are also confused whether this Yog will be created when the planets will be situated between the Rahu or Ketu??? It is still dispute on the point where the same has been originated and in which Book there is a proper description of the same is still a mystery for us…And my dear friends you only think that our Saints who have the Power of the divine vision were also unaware of this dangerous yoga is somewhat not acceptable for me… All the praises & the verses which support the existence from the ancient times are as follows:- “Putra Bhava Sarp Shapat Soot Kshaya Naag Pratishthaya Putra Prapti†This praise told the result of the Rahu placed in the 5th position in a horoscope not the result of the Kaal Sarp Yoga…Many of the Astrologers have told so many types & sub-types of this but the fact is this the whole Astrology count is also less than this…. The Conclusion lies in the fact that if the above statement can be proved wrong it has to be proved with the completes facts and figures only then the ill effects of the same will be treated as the Authentic studies….otherwise there is no need to get afraid from the same….There are many more facts which proves that there are some misconceptions regarding the same will be discussed in our coming mails… Till then, take care of yourself… Thanks & Rgds… A.K.Nikhil                                       ****\ ARIF**** From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos./groups/citygroups/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 , ashu bobby <arif_2arif2000 wrote: > > My Dear Friends, >  > Warm Greetings to All >  > From few years I have came across the fact that the people are >getting >afraid by the few Astrologers by a myth “Kaal Sarp Yoga†Nikhilji, this is true. In fact, JL Nehru, George Bush, both had Kaal Sarpa Yoga, & we can see how " miserable " they are! Since Rahu/Ketu stay in 1 house for around 18 months, that means all the people born in that 1.5 year will have some sort of partial or full Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Is this how God works- 1 year lucky people are born, next year unlucky?! Indian Jyotishis have a depressing business model(maybe because Indians are depressing people), that involves scaring people out of money. So Sade Sati is considered an evil time, & all sort of evil things are predicted here. In fact, Indira Gandhi became a minister in her Sade sati. The thinking goes that saturn is an evil planet. Yet Indira became PM in her Saturn Mahasadha. Saturn is known to give good results too- many people become rich/powerful in Sade sati ( & not just when it ends, as many sciptures/pandits claim) Mars is another so called bad planet. Out of 12 houses, if it sits in 6, the person becomes Manglik, & hence doomed to bad marriage, death of spouse, & other terrible fates. This means 50% of worlds population is Manglik! We should see 1000s of deaths every day due to Mars effect. This may have been true in Medival India, where many of these theories were concocted, but no longer true. Yet many people find it hard to marry, as they are Manglik, not knowing that 50% of Earth is Manglik! Another foolishness I have seen is Rakshas Gana(demon quality), which again affects marriage prospects. Yet this gana system doesnt mean anything- out of 30 points, it gives 3 points, 10%. Other than this, it has no use. But many people assume Rakshas Gana = demonic person, which is nonsense. As an example, RamaKrishna had Rakshasgana, while Hitler had Manushya(human) gana. Was Hitler more human than Ramakrishna? Its because of all these superstitions that I have become a bit disillusioned with Jyotish. We cant blame just bad astrologers, as this is what people want. If a honest jyotishi gave good advice, which inlcudes " Its your Karma, last life(or this one) you enjoyed hurting others, now suffer quietly & dont blame God " , he would go out of business very soon. So instead, we have people selling all sorts of expsesive gems & Yantras- lead a bad life, & just buy a Gem to compensate! The good Jyotishis go out of business, only greedy ones survive, which leads to more greediness, & this cycles continues. What is the solution? love, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Hello All, I am an Indian and yet I do not take astrology seriously. Frankly, this may also be because I do not have much knowledge of it and I don't want to believe that the planets and the stars above always get to decide what happens in our life.... I could be correct, I could be wrong…. But I truly believe that the great vast knowledge that our ancestors left for us should not be ridiculed. Astrology is supposed to be a science and we see many illustrations of predictions made in the past that have come true.... But many don't come true, also... Its the individual's choice whether you want to believe the astrologers or not... In some places, its nothing but a business, I agree... but generalized and irresponsible statements like " Indian Jyotishis have a depressing business model(maybe because Indians are depressing people), that involves scaring people out of money " are unacceptable… Regards, Shachi. , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > ting >afraid by the few Astrologers by a myth “Kaal Sarp Yoga†> > Nikhilji, this is true. In fact, JL Nehru, George Bush, both had >Kaal Sarpa Yoga, & we can see how " miserable " they are! Since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 , " shachi_ts " <shachi_ts wrote: > Its the individual's choice whether you want to believe the >astrologers or not... > In some places, its nothing but a business, I agree... but >generalized and irresponsible statements like " Indian Jyotishis have >a depressing business model(maybe because Indians are depressing >people), thatinvolves scaring people out of money " are unacceptable… LOL. Shachiji, yes it is a very generalised statement, I agree. But you dont believe in astrology, while I not only believe in it, but have been practicing it for many years. I am also a Yogi, which very few astrologers are(note: Yogi, not Pundit. Pundit is one who knows a lot of scriptures, maybe a temple priest, maybe someone who spends hours doing Puja daily, but is still stuck in blind, mechanical, ritualistic thinking). The only people I know who are both yogis & astrologers are Sri yukteswar, Swami Shivananda(a virtually unknown, but very advanced yogi from south India), & David Frawley. Swami Shivananda says that the real goal of astrology is not to predict our future, like most do, but to help us manage our spiritual life better, by seeing which energies will affect us at different times. some of these energies may help our progress, some may not, & a Yogi must be aware of this. Dr David Frawley says that the astrologer must not give any advice that spiritually harms the person, even if helps them materially. But to know what is good spiritual, one must be an advanced Yogi, & must have the blessing of the Ishta Devta. Planets, who are very strong, can corrupt the mind of the astrologer as well, so he will give you wrong advice, unless he is a great Bhatka, & his Ishta Devtaa protects him. The interesting thing is, if the astrologer gives bad advice, which causes client to fall spiritually or materially, the astrologer gets very bad karma, especially if he charged a lot of money for it. As you can see, the whole thing is a minefield, which can ruin both the astrologer & the client. Yet how many astrologers know this, as they blindly prescribe expensive gems to everyone who comes to them( & getting a 25% cut, but also 100% bad Karma!). Finally, Im not convinced of the power of the all powerful planets. Planets are like our servants- we plant the seeds, they help the seed grow & then give us the results. since it was our choice, we can change it any time we want. If we are in misery, there is a part of us, maybe subconcious, that enjoys it. See all the rich people complaining how miserable they are! People like to be miserable, so they can get sympathy, & help overcome their personal esteem issues. We made the choices that led us to our current state- we are responsible for everything that happens to us- good or bad. Rather than encouraging this sort of will, & accepting that we are responsible for our own fate, Astrology(or maybe astrologers) make us weak, helpless victims of uncontrolable forces. These forces may be uncontrolable for the ordinary person, but the Yogi isnt scared of them, for he sees them as a part of himself. These forces are absorbed through the Chakras- just clean your Chakras, & you will only get positive energies from the planets. Preferably, this is done with the help of the Ishta Devtaa, as our ego/mind isnt always strong enough or smart enough to handle these energies. luv, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Dear Shantnuji, I have gone through your immediate earlier and this post on Astrology(especially phala jyotisha) and my experience and position is exactly the same as you have so insightfully elucidated. Regards, Thimmappa M S. , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > LOL. Shachiji, yes it is a very generalised statement, I agree. But you dont believe in astrology, while I not only believe in it, but have been practicing it for many years. > > I am also a Yogi, which very few astrologers are(note: Yogi, not P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Shantnu, that was an amazing post. Yes, that exemplifies the goal of astrology - helping spiritual progress. If anyone's interested in the works of Swamy Sivananda, please do go to the following links. He was a great yogi, and his disciples still spread their light around the world (I believe the Chinmaya mission, the divine life society etc was started by them). http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/home.html or http://www.sivanandaonline.org/ for more information Rgds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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