Question-47 which relation hold good for us with the God Shiva

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

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> Lord Shiva are said as our FATHER

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> Also it is said that we all are His sajni(wives).

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> How both are true. could you pelase expalin it

 

sir,

God Shiva is our param pita jis mai hamai (atma)leen hona hai.

God Shiva is our sajna jis mai sajni(atma)ko leen hona hai.

dhey(last destination) aike hee hai. ab chahai kisi bhee name sai

pukaro.

 

laxman

 

aum g will recover soon because we are all praying for him.

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> Also it is said that we all are His sajni(wives).

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> How both are true. could you pelase expalin it

 

Jitendarji, its the same with Krishna- he can be worshipped as child, friend,

lover, Guru, or God.

 

Its not important what relationship we have with God, as long as it is honest &

intense.

 

with love,

Shantnu

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> > How both are true. could you pelase expalin it

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> Jitendarji, its the same with Krishna- he can be worshipped as child, friend,

lover, Guru, or God.

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> Its not important what relationship we have with God, as long as it is honest

& intense.

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HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

THANKS A LTO SIR JI FOR SATSANG

 

but we should hold one relation at a time, How can we have two relation at a

time wife and son

 

and The next Question is that

 

why Lord Shiva is not treated as friend

 

He is either Guru or teacher, Father and Husband only. is it true, if so than

why He can not hold all the relations with me.

 

Second Question

 

which relation is the most difficult to have with Lord Shiva and why

 

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> God Shiva is our param pita jis mai hamai (atma)leen hona hai.

> God Shiva is our sajna jis mai sajni(atma)ko leen hona hai.

> dhey(last destination) aike hee hai. ab chahai kisi bhee name sai

> pukaro.

>

> laxman

>

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THANKS LAKSHMAN SIR JI FOR SATSANG

 

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> but we should hold one relation at a time, How can we have two >relation at a

time wife and son

 

Jitendarji, we dont need to have 2 relations- just the one that suits us more.

The child relation is better, as it is safer.

 

Some men worship the Goddess(Kali, Lakshmi) as lovers too- there is no harm in

it. But as a lover, she will not forgive you if make mistakes or look at other

women. But as a Mother, its almost impossible to anger her.

 

> why Lord Shiva is not treated as friend

 

Why not? Just because no one has till now, doesnt mean you cant! I dont treat

Shiva as some big powerful God who sits in the sky like a king & expects a " tax "

of worship. Rather, I see him more as a guide & fellow traveler.

 

love

Shantnu

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we dont need to have 2 relations- just the one that suits us more. The child

relation is better, as it is safer.

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> Some men worship the Goddess(Kali, Lakshmi) as lovers too- there is no harm in

it. But as a lover, she will not forgive you if make mistakes or look at other

women. But as a Mother, its almost impossible to anger her.

 

> > why Lord Shiva is not treated as friend

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> Why not? Just because no one has till now, doesnt mean you cant! I dont treat

Shiva as some big powerful God who sits in the sky like a king & expects a " tax "

of worship. Rather, I see him more as a guide & fellow traveler.

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HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

Very beatifull explanation

 

child relation is safer as He can forgive us for our mistakes. The

responsibility of a wife is very challanging job, if mistake happens than She

would be down in the same ratio.

 

 

in my opinion " Looking at other women may not be a mistake, Love is a univeral

relation and not bounded by my and others or NUMBERS. "

 

 

as a Guide, Lord Shiva is our teacher or Guru but not a friend.

 

further queries on the topic:

 

1. Do the Lord Shiva exists in saakar and sagun form. Can we treat ling as a

Saakar form of the Lord Shiva. "

 

2. Sudama was the friend of the Lord Sri Krishan, who was the friend of Lord

Shiva.

 

3. " In what way, Sri Radha Rani are the wife of the Lord Sri Krishan " . Hence how

can you love someone as Sri Radha Rani "

 

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> 1. Do the Lord Shiva exists in saakar and sagun form. Can we treat >ling as a

Saakar form of the Lord Shiva. "

 

The form that Shiva is normally worshiped as- ascetic Yogi living in Himalayas

is his sakar form. The Shiv Linga is more subtle(sukshma), which is why its

harder to worship, but also more powerful.

 

> 2. Sudama was the friend of the Lord Sri Krishan, who was the friend >of Lord

Shiva.

 

Shiva is his own friend- Shiva is always shown in Samadhi, which means He sees

the whole universe within him, so there is no duality, or I-You for him.

 

In Sakar form, Lallu, the baby form of Krishna, is especially close to him.

Thats why he has appeared many times in his fearful form & killed those who were

trying to sacrifice children. He once even killed Yama, god of Death, from where

he got the name Mahamrityuanjaya, & the mantra related to that.

 

> 3. " In what way, Sri Radha Rani are the wife of the Lord Sri >Krishan " . Hence

how can you love someone as Sri Radha Rani "

 

The best we can do is become radha, so Krishna comes down to love us.

 

love,

Shantnu

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> The form that Shiva is normally worshiped as- ascetic Yogi living in Himalayas

is his sakar form. The Shiv Linga is more subtle(sukshma), which is why its

harder to worship, but also more powerful.

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> > 3. " In what way, Sri Radha Rani are the wife of the Lord Sri >Krishan " .

Hence how can you love someone as Sri Radha Rani "

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> The best we can do is become radha, so Krishna comes down to love us.

 

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

Very Beautifull Explanation Sir Ji, Thanks a lot for incredible contribution in

the Satsang

 

Further queries on the topic Sir Ji

 

1. As per your answer Sir Ji, it seems that you are saying that Lord Shiva is

the Lord Shankar who lives in Himalaya. But Lord Shiva is the Lord BRAHMHA too,

as that is the Lord Shiva who comes in the body of the Lord Brahma for

delivering the knowledge to human beings directly for creating the sanskars of

deities. Though most of the people treat Lord Shankar as Lord Shiva, what is the

reason .

 

2. If you will become Sri Radha Rani, than How can you love Sri Radha Rani.

 

3. How the age begins. How many people come in the begining of Diomond age or

Sat yug. Do the people comes directly without taking birth from the womb of a

mother.

 

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

 

> Though most of the people treat Lord Shankar as Lord Shiva, what is >the

reason .

 

Jitendarji, the stories of Shankar/Shiva living in the himalayas are(in my

thought) that of yogis, who reached full Moksha while still alive, & hence

became Shiva. Shiva is not a person, but a state of conciousness(like

Narayan/Vishnu). Since these Yogis had dissolved their egos, they had become

Shiva, even though they were once human like us.

 

As for the stories of Shiva living on Kailash, I believe 1000s of years ago, a

great Rishi descended to Earth with Shivas energies to teach Tantra. He was

called Shiva, as he was always in Shiva conciousness(which is why Shiva is shown

with his eyes half closed, as he is looking at the world within him, not outside

of him).

 

Any of us can become Shiva, if also start living in the universal conciousness.

We dont have to wear the outer garb of sadhus, or live in cemetaries. In such a

state, this universal conciousness starts acting directly through us.

 

The difference between Shiva & vishnu/Narayan(which has caused great debate &

anger & hatred) is this: Shiva looks at the world as within him. thats why he

doesnt care much about outer purity, also why he sees demons with the same eyes

as Gods. Thats also why he gives boons even to demons, as he knows they have no

real power or existence except for him.

 

Vishnu sees the whole world as his extension, as his body. Thats why he loves it

as a Father(when Christ was talking about his Father in heaven, he was actually

talking about this Vishnu conciousness, as Christ was a representative of it to

the Middle east & Europe). Thats also why Vishnu takes great care to protect the

innocent, & destroy demons, & why he incarnates on Earth to guide his children.

 

Both these states of conciousness Shiva & Vishnu/Narayan, are needed for the

Sadhak, as Vishnu shows us the whole world is a part of us, & made by Love,

Shiva shows us we are the Pure Spirit beyond the World.

 

There is a 3rd mysterious state which connects these 2 seemingly contradictory

states(the manifest & unmanifest)- called Krishna Tattva. But I know nothing

about that. Maybe Aumji can shed light on this, now he has returned.

 

love,

Shantnu

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> 2. If you will become Sri Radha Rani, than How can you love Sri Radha >Rani.

 

Jituji, Radha has no existence apart from Krishna. thats why many scriptures

dont even mention her, & why many academics think she was invented later on.

 

Osho wrote, the fact she isnt mentioned at all, proves that she was real, while

the Gopis may have been fake. Radha dissolved her ego completely into Krishna,

so she ceases to exist as a person. There may have been a body, but there was no

mind calling itself Radha that was running it.

 

Thats why the mystics didnt mention Radha, as they felt it would be a waste of

time. Thats why we have the name Radhakrishna, not Krishnaradha, to show Radha

comes first, as she did the most difficult thing, dissolving her ego while still

alive.

 

Thats also why the best way to worship Radha is to become like her.

 

with love,

shantnu

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> Both these states of conciousness Shiva & Vishnu/Narayan, are needed for the

Sadhak, as Vishnu shows us the whole world is a part of us, & made by Love,

Shiva shows us we are the Pure Spirit beyond the World.

>

> There is a 3rd mysterious state which connects these 2 seemingly contradictory

states(the manifest & unmanifest)- called Krishna Tattva. But I know nothing

about that. Maybe Aumji can shed light on this, now he has returned.

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THANKS SHANTANU SIR JI

 

I Think i get so much knowledge from all the sadhakas of this group that i can

not explain. This knowledge is pure.

 

THNAKS A LOT SIR JI

 

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