Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Respected members- namaste. I have a question.In older days the people would bless or curse someone and thier words would come true.And we see numerous such instances in our scriptures.And it wasnt just saints and yogi's but even common peoples blessings or curses would come true. Such as king Shantanu's or Rishi Shringi's. But this is not true of words uttered by people these days. Why is that so? Can you explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Some thoughts on that question. A lot of what we read about the ancient days is from the Puranic tales, which are meant to be lessons to humanity. The lessons in many cases were deeper the actual events being narrated - there was a symbolism associated with them. Another thought: There is no such thing as the " Will of God " . A Will is only for those creatures who can be denied. God's every tiny fleeting thought gets materialized and comes true. As we come closer to God, our Will also becomes more intune with the Paramathma's and what we wish starts in small ways to come true (or we know what will happen). Similarly when a truly pure (read realized) person has a thought - be it a blessing or a curse, it comes true. Hence in the prior yugams, there were more such 'pure' people. Their wishes could not be denied. Corollary to the Second thought: A saint's curse is far better for us, than all the blessings/gold/goodwill of an entire nation. Its meant to rid us of our Karma's and Vasanas. We should be so blessed that a saint curses us! Rgds , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > > Respected members- namaste. I have a question.In older days the people > would bless or curse someone and thier words would come true.And we see > numerous such instances in our scriptures.And it wasnt just saints and > yogi's but even common peoples blessings or curses would come true. > Such as king Shantanu's or Rishi Shringi's. But this is not true of > words uttered by people these days. Why is that so? Can you explain? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 > > > , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit@> > wrote: > > > > Respected members- namaste. I have a question.In older days the > people > > would bless or curse someone and thier words would come true.And we Aradhan your observation is right. I think this is due to the purity of mind of people in olden days. There the blessings and curses were due to dharma, not to satiate the personal ego. People had high energies which worked with blessings etc. Also another reason is Kaliyuga. The energy of Kaliyuga are so dense of full of tam that it will not allow blessings to work... also curses to bad souls will not work as kaliyuga wants that sinners flourish in his era. .. LOL you and me know it better. love Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > >And it wasnt just saints and > yogi's but even common peoples blessings or curses would come true. > Such as king Shantanu's or Rishi Shringi's. But this is not true of > words uttered by people these days. Why is that so? Can you explain? Aradhnaji, in ancient times, peoples intentions were stronger. their minds were more foccused, & they did not say anything just to impress anyone, they did not talk for talking sake. If a person said he would do X, he had to do it. This was how society was. When peoples minds were purer, they didnt have so many desires, they only had intent. As such, even ordinary people like kings, when they said anything, since their mind was focussed & their intent strong, whatever they said had to occur. We can do the same thing in Kaliyug if we focus our mind, dont lie & honor every word we day. but it is hard, as aumji said, the whole flow of Kaliyug is against us. love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 OMNAMONARAYANAYA In olden golden days people lived strictly according to the dictates of scriptures.They did not invent artificial " civilization. " . A woman had all the powers like Sita and Draupadi . They had all the powers and performed all the duties of a perfect daughter ,wife,mother or any other role.A Kshatriya fought battles,ate rajahs food and lived the life of a king. A Brahman was a scholar ,taught Vedas ,Vedangas and performed priestly duties. All people lived at a certain level of conscience. In an earlier mail I tried to explain human and super humans living in circles of different radii. When the conduct was purely scriptural the word spoken by them -- a blessings or curses had the SANCTITY(LEVEL) OF SCRIPTURES. Now my behavior is not resembling even remotely the code of scriptures. That makes all the difference. Shantnuji simplified this by saying we are in Kaliyug. Aumji,Jituji and other seniors can certaily improve upon this answer answers. ijswamy ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ --- On Mon, 11/24/08, i_free_spirit <i_free_spirit wrote: i_free_spirit <i_free_spirit Respected members- namaste. I have a question.In older days the people would bless or curse someone and thier words would come true.And we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Thank you J.Swami ji. Shanracer , baba and Satish ji..all have answered on similar lines Shanracer your answer is convincing and logical- so you mean its because of thier energies not being scattered and minds not being directionless Baba LOL you made me laugh with that comment ) Baba ,SatishV ji and others- actually thats what I was wondering about- I tell you what- That day I was watching a new Mahabharata by Ekta Kapoor.In that I saw that there was a princess called Amba who cursed Bhishma because he declined to marry her( being a celibate) when she was spurned by her lover.The lover did that as he had some grudge against Bhishma who had defeated the former in the princess' svayamwar. So she was furious and put all the blame (illogically) of her plight on Bhishma alone. So not just that - for something that she considered him responsible- she cursed his entire kingdom and kula.And now here nowhere her purpose or intent is meaningful , logical or just nor her desire is pure rather its all a tamas reaction.Yet her curse worked.It was only based on seeking vengeance for which she also worshipped Lord Shiva..so thats also what I meant when I said that a curse or blessing given by even common person would work..all this puzzles me! Also if anyone says to another in scriptures- " I give you a share of my punya " - it happens! I am not taliking of any symbolic stories but historical ones One explanation I recieved somewhere was - that it is the tapobal or punya of someone that makes curses or blesings effective.When someone gives blessings it is his punya a share of which is transferred to the recipient and hence it acts as a blessing.Similarly ones tapobal dimnishes immediately if he/ she curses anyone.So what you think? LOL same question I asked many ppl including putting it on YA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 , " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu wrote: > > OMNAMONARAYANAYA > In olden golden days people lived strictly according to the dictates of scriptures.They did not invent artificial " civilization. " . A woman had all the powers like Sita and Draupadi . They had all the powers and performed all the duties of a perfect daughter ,wife,mother or any other role.A Kshatriya fought battles,ate rajahs food and lived the life of a king. A Brahman was a scholar ,taught Vedas ,Vedangas and performed priestly duties. All people lived at a certain level of conscience. > I yeah maybe it was thier dharma that worked. Now a days people are mostly adharmi and nowhere dharmatmas/righteous are.Somewhere I think I heard all in kali are mostly adharmi and if there is any good human in him two there are two main virtues of dharma- speaking truth and charity > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 > Also another reason is Kaliyuga. The energy of Kaliyuga are so > dense of full of tam that it will not allow blessings to work... > also curses to bad souls will not work as kaliyuga wants that > sinners flourish in his era. .. >Why kaliyug wants sinners to flourish ?? Actually I dont know what kaliyug is.I mean I cant understand what exactly it is- is it a time span or the negative energies of the people occupying the Earth working or it is something else?? Are we in kalyug because we are less evolved souls and only that much deserving or that we might even be pious but kali will still misdirect us by luring us towards all bad that is happening around? it might be a strange or silly ques but im curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN > In olden golden days people lived strictly according to the dictates of scriptures.They did not invent artificial " civilization. " . THANKS ARADHANA JI FOR BEAUTIFULL QUESTION AND THANKS TO ALL THE ANSWERERS SWAMIJI SIR JI THANKS for motivation In my opinion that time energy was concentrated in words and today in technical language i would say that " Energy is degraded in all respects and instead of lying in words it lies in violance , .... bombs , weapons , ......... " HARE RAM ,HARE RAM , RAM RAM ,HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > > One explanation I recieved somewhere was - that it is the tapobal or > punya of someone that makes curses or blesings effective.When someone > gives blessings it is his punya a share of which is transferred to the > recipient and hence it acts as a blessing.Similarly ones tapobal > dimnishes immediately if he/ she curses anyone.So what you think? Dear co-sadhakas, Do you think that we lose our Punya or positive energies while blessings or cursing others ? does that mean we should not bless or curse ? What is the mystery of blessings and curses, where do they get energy from, to be effective? Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 , aumji <no_reply wrote: > What is the mystery of blessings and curses, where do they get > energy from, to be effective? > They get their energeis from our Sadhna. So blessing or cursing others " withdraws " our Sadhna energy from our Sadhna " saving account " . Hence both should be avoided, till one has become Self Realised, & no longer cares for personal energies, as one knows one can tap into the universal system for more. love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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