What is Moksha ??? GOD AND TIME

[Guest guest]

OMNAMONARAYANAYA

Aumji the following is the half typed blog. Details later.I request Babaji ,

 all senior and  and co sadhaks to be very critical in their feedback.

 

                                                                          

 

God and time have no beginning,,no end. God is not seen but His existence is

experienced. Time also is not seen heard  but its existence is universally

acknowledged. God is interpreted differently by different people. Time also

changes in different zones. God heals. Time heals. God helps to lessen sorrow.

Time also does the same.God decides our birth growth life and death. Time does

the same. God showers blessings to keep one happy. Good Time that is. God

displeases one according to karmic effects . Bad Time !. Planets move as per

God`s( Time`s) dictation.God never sleeps. Time never stops.

A ritual say   yagjna,worship, prayer and a festival should be at specified

Time. This Time is relative. It is in relation to sun rise, sunset earth`s

rotation etc. Because time can be measured only in relation to some incidence

which should occur first , the unit of time is called the " Second " not the

" first " (Swamy Chinmayananda said so )

In diagrammatic representation for our understanding ,  a modality that has no

beginning nor end can be represented only as a CIRCLE . Circumference of a

circle has no beginning nor an ending. The point of beginning and ending are the

same.  So time is called a circle KAL CHAKRA. Every circle has a centre and the

distance between the centre and the circumference is called the Radius. Entire

universe is the compressed CENTRE.  KAL CHAKRA `s radius is INFINITE

Animals , trees,and humans describe CONCENTRIC CIRCLES in the BIGGEST CIRCLE ie

GOD.

When GOD incarnates HE gets into a smaller circle of measurable dimensions and

Time. After incarnation God leaves the finite circle to be in the INFINITE

CIRCLE.

The circle occupied by an organism depends on its KARMIC PRODUCT. Karmic product

is the sum total of positive and negative actions and omissions of a body and

mind not the  SOUL. SIN and SIDDHI are the NEGATIVE and POSITIVE  attributes of

KARMA. Sin becomes Siddhi through Sadhana.Sin is determined by and defined by

SOMEONE  who does not stay in humanly conceivable CIRCLE. Murder is NOT A SIN if

a soldier kills an enemy soldier  but it is a SIN  if committed for selfish

motive.

                    Beyond the HUMAN CIRCLE  there are bigger circles (cycles)

described by Siddhas, Charanas,Yakshas,Gandhrvas, Kinneras,Kimpurushas and

beyond.

                                  MOKSHA  is reacing the ULTIMATE CIRCLE WHOSE

RADIUS IS INFINITE. Only God can explain that state.

                          Christians and Muslims are perfect Dwitics  or so they

claim. They believe all souls are judged on the day of judgment . God separates

saints from sinners and gives either ultimate HEAVEN  or HELL.  But these

Dwitics fail to answer a simple question. Where did Adam exist before he was

created by God ? The answer can be " Adam was part of God/Allah only " . And that

is Adwita.

Ascharyavath pasyathi kaschit evam ,Ascharyavath vadathi  tatha eva cha anyah

,Ascharyavath cha enam anyah  srunothi , Shruthva api enam veda na cha kashchith

(Srimadbhagavadgita - Sankhya yoga:29 ) 

your co sadhak

ijswamy

 

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

[Guest guest]

, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu wrote:

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> God and time have no beginning,,no end. > A between the centre and

the circumference is called the Radius. Entire universe is the

compressed CENTRE.  KAL CHAKRA `s radius is INFINITE

> Animals , trees,and humans describe CONCENTRIC CIRCLES in the

BIGGEST CIRCLE ie GOD.

> When GOD incarnates HE gets into a smaller circle of measurable

dimensions and Time. After incarnation God leaves the finite circle to

be in the INFINITE CIRCLE.

           

Thanks Swamiji, the post was very informative. Can I deduce from your

blog that the circles are actually the Kaala (time) which creates the

duality ??

 

love

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

OMNAMONARAYANAYA

Yes Aumji , The occupants of different circles are spiritually enlightened to

different levels. The highest level is MOKSHA ie unity with God. Circles smaller

than that are occupied by those who have the influence of MAYA . Human

KALAMANA,  is different from Deva mana etc

ijswamy

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, aumji <no_reply > wrote:

 

aumji <no_reply >

Re: What is Moksha ??? GOD AND TIME

 

Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:24 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ s.com, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu@ ...> wrote:

>

> God and time have no beginning,,no end. > A between the centre and

the circumference is called the Radius. Entire universe is the

compressed CENTRE.  KAL CHAKRA `s radius is INFINITE

> Animals , trees,and humans describe CONCENTRIC CIRCLES in the

BIGGEST CIRCLE ie GOD.

> When GOD incarnates HE gets into a smaller circle of measurable

dimensions and Time. After incarnation God leaves the finite circle to

be in the INFINITE CIRCLE.

           

Thanks Swamiji, the post was very informative. Can I deduce from your

blog that the circles are actually the Kaala (time) which creates the

duality ??

 

love

 

Aum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN

 

> The circle occupied by an organism depends on its KARMIC PRODUCT.

Karmic product is the sum total of positive and negative actions and

omissions of a body and mind not the  SOUL.

 

 

 

Thanks for a beutifull Posting Swamy Sir Ji really that is great

 

My Question on the posting Sir Ji

 

Moksha is attained with infinite radius . and we have circles of

smaller radius. Could you tell me please how from this small RADIUS

circle one reaches to infinite radius circle.

 

 

HARE RAM , HARE RAM , RAM RAM ,HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

OMNAMONARAYANAYA

Jituji , Human birth itself occurs after crossing several circles/cycles of

Karma. Humans only have a choice of modifying their thoughts,actions,omissions

and commissions.Humans who devote time and energy in the spiritual realm of

Sadhana  can jump to a circle/cycle of higher radius.

Theoretically it is possible to jump into THE WIDEST DIVINE CIRCLE  /ATTAIN

MOKSHA .

" Swabhavajena -kountheya - nibaddhah - swena - karmana

Karthum -na - iccepi - yath - mohat - karishyasi - avashah - api - thath "

 (Oh Arjuna -- in spite of yourself you are bound by your Karma)

" Eswarah - sarvabhutanam - hruddeshe - arjuna - tishtati -

Bhramayan - sarvabhutani - yantraaroodhani - maayayaa "

(Lord spins all beings in circles of Maya/Karma ,  like a mechanical wheel spins

objects)

" Tham - eva - sharanamgaccha- sarvabhavena -bharata -

Thathprasaadaath - param - shantim - sthaanam praapyasi - shashwathm "

( Oh Arjuna --surrender to the Lord. And you will get PEACE and MOKSHA) 

Srimadbhagavadgita -- Moksha sanyasa yoga  Verse 61 -63

your humble  sadhak

ijswamy 

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

--- On Fri, 11/14/08, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

 

jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

Re: What is Moksha ??? GOD AND TIME

My Question on the posting Sir Ji

 

Moksha is attained with infinite radius . and we have circles of

smaller radius. Could you tell me please how from this small RADIUS

circle one reaches to infinite radius circle.

 

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[Guest guest]

Hare Ram , Hare Krishan .Humans who devote time and energy in the

spiritual realm of Sadhana  can jump to a circle/cycle of higher

radius.

> Theoretically it is possible to jump into THE WIDEST DIVINE

CIRCLE  /ATTAIN MOKSHA .

 

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR BEAUTIFULL EXPLANATION

 

 

But it means that Kaal circle definetely expands to INFINITE for

getting moksha .

 

 

also as per your last posting

 

" Beyond the HUMAN CIRCLE there are bigger circles (cycles) described

by Siddhas, Charanas,Yakshas,Gandhrvas, Kinneras,Kimpurushas and

beyond. "

 

Could you further explain Sir Ji that what is the concept of Infinite

time cirle and Zero Time circle . if there any difference between the

two.

 

HARE RAM , HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

OMNAMONARAYANAYA

Pranams Aumji,

 Dwaita is an illusion of Maya caused by these cycles of birth and death .

Adwita is actually the truth

ijswamy

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, aumji <no_reply > wrote:

 

aumji <no_reply >

Re: What is Moksha ??? GOD AND TIME

blog that the circles are actually the Kaala (time) which creates the

duality ??

 

love

 

Aum