Sat ya Asat aur KYON ----11

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> Sat ya Asat aur KYON ----11

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> " Fear is not our enemy but it is our friend "

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I think this is Asat statement

 

because fear is our enemy too . a person because of fear does not

take risk and He may go down as He would loose oppartunities to

upgrade himself . Hence it is not true that fear is our friend only .

 

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> I think this is Asat statement

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> because fear is our enemy too . a person because of fear does not

 

 

Jitendarji, I think the answer is, it depends.

 

Fear is our great friend, as it helps us avoid dangerous situations. A

professional interviewed serveal rape/mugging victims. In almost every

case, the victim felt some fear before the attack, their instinct

warning them there was danger, that they should leave. But in each

case, conditioned by the society which calls such things

" superstitious " , they ignored their gut feeling, & hence became victims.

 

The problem is, what is fear? The dictionary defines it as feeling

apprehension, distress. Most people think fear is when their hands

start sweating ,body shaking, body gets cold etc. But all these things

are side effects of adrenaline, a chemical the body releases when it

senses we are in danger. It makes us resistant to pain, able to

run/hit very fast - so we can either fight the enemy or run away.

Unfortunately, the body is often confused, & releases this chemical

even when not required- like when go for interview, when we sit for

exams, when we are asking someone for a date.

 

So what most people think of fear is just reaction to adrenaline. Once

you know this, you can function easily even when adrenaline is high,

as it is just a natural bodily reaction. After all, soldiers are

trained to work even under extreme adrenaline situations.

 

But why does the body release this chemical? Its because the mind/ego

feels threatened, & the body goes into its " Fight or flight " state,

which we inherited from animals.

 

But included in this fear is our natural instinct, which we also

inherited from animals, & which is very reliable. Unfortunately, due

to wrong teachings, this part of our self is repressed, with tragic

effects for crime victims.

 

If we use this fear to strengthen our self, fear becomes our friend,

as it forces us to challenge our assumptions, & grow spiritually. If

however, we use it to strengthen our ego, we get stuck in an endless

loop of self pity, the " Poor me, the whole world is against me " .

 

So is fear our friend? Yes, if we are brave enough to challenge those

things that threaten our ego.

 

with love

Shantnu

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> however, we use it to strengthen our ego, we get stuck in an endless

> loop of self pity, the " Poor me, the whole world is against me " .

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> So is fear our friend? Yes, if we are brave enough to challenge those

> things that threaten our ego.

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THAT IS GREAT POSTING , THANKS SIR JI , KEEP IT UP

 

 

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Dear Shantnuji and Jitendraji,

 

Yes, the negative changes in the body and mind associated with fear is

well known. Fear also has positive aspects as Shantnuji has said. It

warms us up, goads us into action and often a great motivator to wake

up and start attending to the impending work which we otherwise tend

to neglect/procrastinate to our own peril later on. If we do not fear

( anxious/afraid ) of Examination, we do not prepare well/adequate

too! In fact, as the anxiety increases, our performance also become

effective as it releases stored up energy(glucose) in the body through

secretion of adrenalin and so on. No anxiety, boredom and lethargy,

lack of motivation is the result! However, fear beyond a point of

coping becomes debilitating and even harmful. In other words, too much

of anxiety or too little of anxiety, both are 'bad', the just, the

optimum is the ideal - homeostasis, balance, samatva is the key.

 

Let me share an incidence to illustrate the protective/positive nature

of fear, a tragic one at that. Albert Camus, we all know, was a famous

and extraordinarily creative writer( Stranger, some translated as

Outsider too, a novel, Rebel, a philosophical and political essay and

many, many works he has written ) had a fear of (phobia for)

automobiles. He never used to travel in it, used only trains. Once, he

and his friend a well known publisher, Victor Golanz, were to travel

form a place, no trains were available at that time and Golanz

suggested that they could drive to Paris, he himself would drive, only

Camus has to give up his 'irrational' fear. Camus was reluctant

because of the fear but the friend's insistence, urgency and lack of

options made him agree. Car they were traveling met with an accident,

Camus died on the spot, there were no other casualities. If only Camus

heeded to his fear, he would have been saved for now.

 

Some time it pays to love our fear and nurture it!

 

Regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

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, " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote:

 

> Camus died on the spot, there were no other casualities. If only >Camus

> heeded to his fear, he would have been saved for now.

 

haha, Thimmappaji. But there is another explanation for this.

 

Very negative people invite their own troubles- because they are

obsessed with wrong things happening to them, they continually

attract the very negativity they are trying to avoid.

 

Thats why you always see the same people getting into fights, having

troubles, always helpless victimes. Some people go from one misery to

another- their life is like a Saas-Bahu serial & they enjoy it!(at

least sub conciously)

 

This is the sort of self-obsessed fear we have to get rid of, before

we can contact our real intuitive wisdom.

 

love

Shantnu

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Dear Shantnuji,

 

Albert Camus was a very positive, very optimistic person and his

writings always emphasized the value of genuine love. He was hugely

humanistic. The kind you describe is not applicable to him.

 

You are right, there are negative people, sick people, inviting upon

themselves troubles of that kind. I was not talking about that kind

when I was discussing on how some fears are protective and positive in

nature. I have encountered too many people of kind of phobia/negative

fear that you refer to in my Clinical Psychology Practice!

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

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> Albert Camus was a very positive, very optimistic person and his

> writings always emphasized the value of genuine love. He was hugely

> humanistic. The kind you describe is not applicable to him.

>

 

Thanks a lot M.S.Thimmappa.Sir Ji and Shantanu Sir ji for great

Satsang

 

i think Camus should have found the solution of his NEGATIVE fear

rather than continuining it , He never tried for it and finally He

paid for it .THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY SIR JI MAY BE RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

Yeasterday the Dog tried to bite me , He torn my trouser .

 

and the greatest and purest fear which i want to have for foreever

is that

 

" KOI MUJHKO MUJHI SE CHURA NA LE "

 

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