God helps those who help themselves.

[Guest guest]

, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

Our Somanathan temple on Gujarath was invaded sixteen times and

everytime the roobers looted all the possessions. It is told that the

 

Thanks dear, This is what i have been trying to say. Mere meditation,

yoga and asanas and mudras will not save hinduism.

 

Somnath is a burning example of hindu hypocricy. Instead of

fighting the enemy they just asked Shiva to destroy Gazni.

 

GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES

 

VISHNU

[Guest guest]

, kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote:

>

> , keshav daund <keshav_daund@> wrote:

> Our Somanathan temple on Gujarath was invaded sixteen times and

> everytime the roobers looted all the possessions. It is told that the

 

Dear Vishnuji,

 

Namaste!

 

Mere talking won't do. What you have done for this? Levelling charges

against is very easy but being practical and taking action is a

different cup of tea. People like you just tom tom about something

needs to be done but when actual necessity comes like a dog you

put your tail underneath and scamper away.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Thanks dear, This is what i have been trying to say. Mere

meditation,

> yoga and asanas and mudras will not save hinduism.

>

> Somnath is a burning example of hindu hypocricy. Instead of

> fighting the enemy they just asked Shiva to destroy Gazni.

>

> GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES

>

> VISHNU

>

[Guest guest]

, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

>

> Rev. Sir, humble obeisances! Very appropriate and to the point

>statement you have made. Our Somanathan temple on Gujarath was

 

Namaste,

 

I think the invasions of India were lessons from Ma Shakti, for

ignoring her & the reality of the physical world- the Indians had

become like druggies, living in a perpetual " high " of the spirit, &

had lost their touch with Mother Earth. 1000 years of slavery, & some

of us are still high! Indians still talk about " Maya " , " all is Brahm "

etc, which just shows that we still havent recovered from our " high " .

 

The invasions were lessons that while we have to strive for the

Spirit, we cannot ignore the material world. Ma Shakti has a plan for

the Universe- who are we to try to run ahead of her, & try to 2nd

guess her? Ma never keeps us down delibrately- after all she gave

enlightenment to many- Ramakrishna, Yogananda, Aurobindo(all of whom

were Ma Bhaktas, even though their main focus was different)- not

because they fought her, but because they aligned their will with the

Divine Will.

 

But if we try to act smart, & think we can jump into the unknown

without any help, thats fine by her! She doesnt discourage us, but

neither does she help us. The problem is there are so many hostile

forces in the World, they attack us & all our time is spent fighting

them. Gopi Krishnas case comes to mind- if he had prayed to Ma for

help, instead of imaginaing lotuses, maybe he wouldnt have suffered so

much!

 

So instead of blaming Muslims, coward Hindus etc, we should goto the

root cause of this problem- our over reliance on spirituality, at the

detriment of physical world. We should strive to balance these, both

in our self & the outer world at large. Otherwise we are just treating

the symptoms, without treating the disease.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

 

>

> Dear Vishnuji,

> People like you just tom tom about something

> needs to be done but when actual necessity comes like a dog you

> put your tail underneath and scamper away.

 

Thanks Mr. yoga, your post, calling me a dog, gave me an insight into

your spiritual progress, your upbringing and reason why we were slaves

for centuries.

 

I end any conversation with you here and now

 

vishnu

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

> I think the invasions of India were lessons from Ma Shakti, for

> ignoring her & the reality of the physical world- the Indians had

 

Dear Shri Shanracerji, can I take the following meaning from your post

 

" we should not ignore the physical and we should be ready to fight

the enemy when the need arises "

 

Does that also mean that we hindus instead of fighting the enemies

of our countries and religion, continued our lessons in Yoga and

chanting " aham Brahmaasmi " .

 

What should a spiritual man do when attacked by a lesser evolved

soul ? should he just worship Shiva for fight back ?

 

with regards

 

vishnu

[Guest guest]

, kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote:

>

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Vishnuji,

> > People like you just tom tom about something

> > needs to be done but when actual necessity comes like a dog you

> > put your tail underneath and scamper away.

>

> Thanks Mr. yoga, your post, calling me a dog, gave me an insight

into

> your spiritual progress, your upbringing and reason why we were

slaves

> for centuries.

>

> I end any conversation with you here and now

>

> vishnu

>VISHNU JEE

NAMESTY

good anser given by you to maha yogi.

[Guest guest]

OMNAMONARAYANAYA

Dear Sadhaks

Thanks    to all for various posts on Delhi blasts and related matters.

Shantnuji,Aumji,Thimmappaji,Ulaganathanji Jituji and others responded as per

their enlightenment but it is easy to make out Kaliyugavishnuji is the least

pleased.

Four thousand years ago India was never a single large country under any single

ruler. Indians lived as various groups or tribes with local rulers. Each ruler

was an enemy of all other rulers. It was easy for any invader to conquer us

..Only  in 1947 we became a single country with a democratic way of rule. So all

Hindus unitedly and  jointly fighting any enemy was impossible before 1947. From

then real discussion about Hinduism and unity started. Prior to `47   Lokmanya

Balagangadhara Tilak took the first step of unity of Hindus through Ganesha

festivals.. He succeeded only partially. Now Ganesha chaturdhi is " pure

entertainment " like movies or TV shows.

Aham Brahmasmi is not a mantra that is chanted by anyone. Yoga includes martial

arts but that is besides the point.

Gita classifies humanity into four classes based on their thoughts and actions.

1)the priestly class 2)the warrior class 3)the business class and 4)the service

class. 

People of all religions not merely Hindus belong to one of the four classes. 

Christians have pastors , business men and servants . Muslims have

Mullas, jihadis, money transferers,and servants.

The FIFTH CLASS was variously called as untouchables,slaves,Negros etc. It is

this class that is  TOTALLY UNITED AND FIGHTING.. In US  they almost succeeded

with a black man almost  going to white house  and in India the former victims

of untouchability going to the highest echelons of politics and economics.

Because we are still divided we can be invaded still but not on the scale of

colonialists and jeehadists. 

Now time is ripe for Hindu unity but even sadhana group is not very much

united. 

The warrior class of modern India is called police,army ,etc. They are specially

trained and equipped for dealing with invaders. They are doing a very good Job

of it. Just 48 hrs ago a police officer gave his life in that cause. That is not

called cowardice .

Let us have no rancor and  and dedicate  ourself to Hindu cause 

your co sadhak

ijswamy  .  

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

--- On Thu, 9/25/08, kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply > wrote:

 

kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply >

What should a spiritual man do when attacked by a lesser evolved

soul ? should he just worship Shiva for fight back ?

 

with regards

 

vishnu

[Guest guest]

, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu wrote:

>but it is easy to make out Kaliyugavishnuji is the least pleased.

> Four thousand years ago India was never a single large country

under any single ruler.

 

Dear I agree with you, India was not single country, politically but

culturally and religiously India was one from Indonesia to Iran.

 

Tell me do you think India is one now ?

 

- You can not speak Hindi in Maharashtra (goons of thakrey will

beat you)

 

- You can not buy land in your own country in J & K, Himachal and

Uttrakhand, they can buy land anywhere

 

- If you are a hindu, you can not live in Kashmir

 

- you can not visit or live in Mizoram, Manipur, Nagaland, Arunachal

and Assam

 

- Tamilians are busy in their own self-proclaimed Tamil culture and

they are ready to dismiss vedas for this. They are waiting for an

opportunity to be separate in name of Tamil land

 

- Punjab was till a few years back a separate state, where any hindu

would be killed. Kahalistani are still waiting for the opportunity.

 

- Our leaders are openly backing SIMI and other traitor organisation.

 

list is unending

 

vishnu

 

For Moderator : my 3 messages have been rejected. Can I ask why ?

[Guest guest]

, kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote:

>

> For Moderator : my 3 messages have been rejected. Can I ask why ?

 

Dear Vishnu and others, normally we do not approve any message which

is attacking other members. Please continue with constructive

thoughts and avoid personal attacks on any other member. Thanks and

regards

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

 

> Dear Vishnu and others, normally we do not approve any message which

> is attacking other members. Please continue with constructive

> thoughts and avoid personal attacks on any other member. Thanks

and

> regards

>

> Aum

>

 

Mr. Aumji, This is height of hypocricy ! The message of mr. Yoga

calling me a Dog was approved !

 

Can you tell under which rule ? Go and check all old messages and see I never

attacked any body. First one woman and then mr. yogi attacked me for writing on

Delhi Blasts and I just replied. So much so, posts abusing me were approved and

when I replied, you rejected my posts. REAL SHAME

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You all hypocrites are busy here patting each others back and claiming to be

GREAT HINDUS !

 

IF YOU ARE NOT A COWARD DONT REJECT THIS MESSAGE AND LET OTHERS KNOW

HOW HYPOCRITE, WRONG AND MISGUILDED THIS GROUP IS !

 

vishnu

[Guest guest]

Hari Om!

 

Kalyuga Vishnuji appears to be a passionate crusader for the cause of the Hindu

faith. I loved him for the passion he has been showing in this site.

 

However, I beg to say that in this post he has been guilty of vague

generalisation and did not care to be accurate enough.

 

The idea of State is of recent origin. Prior to that, world over, the States

were organised around kingship and regional satraps. In a State like Tamilnadu

or Andhra Pradesh, and in any part of the country, there must have been many

kings ruling different parts of the land. That does not mean that people living

one part of the kingdom did not move to others parts ruled by other kings.

Extend the same analogy to the entire country i.e. Bharat or India. India has

always one nation in the sense that people followed the same culture and

shared by and large the same fundamental values. People from Cape Comerin and

the Himalayas criss-crossed the country with no difficulty. Diversity was very

much evident then as it is to-day.

 

If you are not able to purchase land and property in some parts of the country,

that is no proof that we are not a single nation. Restriction on ownership of

land with a view to protecting the local interests is perfectly in order, at any

point of time. In the name of unity, you cannot seek to force homogeneity

throughout the country. The people of this country have the tendency to respect

all other cultures and faiths, while following their own. It is a measure of our

culture that shows tolerance to other faiths and culture. In these

cirucumstances, you should only be quite happy to see so much of diversity

while we maintain our unity. All the sub-groups within this nation are indeed

busy with their own culture and it is not a sin.

 

I do agree that certain elements within the country have been fomenting trouble

by stoking religious and linguistic flames. That is very unfortunate. But, the

general public by and large have been sensible and except for Kashmir and some

pockets in NE, I do not think the fissiparous tendencies are getting the

required support. Your comments about the Tamils, I am afraid, are too

sweeping. I am living in this State. I was born here and lived here. I have been

living in various parts of India at different points of time. Let me assure you

that Tamil is as old as Sanskrit, if not older. It is a fact and for asserting

this fact, you should not dub them as chauvinistic and divisive. In many of

their literature, especially in Bhakti literature of yore, the saints have

described both Sanskrit and Tamil as the two eyes of God. The Dravidian parties

did raise separation as a political plank. Sensing that it was not popular among

the people, they tactically

withdrew that as their political goal. I strongly advocate that all the Indian

languages should be given their due recognition. Marathi, Bengali, Malayalam

have some of the best of modern literatures in modern India.

 

I wish Vishnuji had learnt to appreciate and respect the best of all the

cultures within this country rather than giving vent to his fulminations on

anything and everything other than the culture that he is familiar with.

Indianness and Hinduism are not the monopoly of any one national group within

this country.

 

Hari Om Tat Sat.

 

ulaganathan p

 

 

 

 

kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply >

Tell me do you think India is one now ?

 

- You can not speak Hindi in Maharashtra (goons of thakrey will

beat you)

 

- You can not buy land in your own country in J & K, Himachal and

Uttrakhand, they can buy land anywhere

[Guest guest]

HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN

 

The message of mr. Yoga

> calling me a Dog was approved !

>

> Mr. Vishnu

 

I think you are having some personnel problem due to which you are

very sad and you are angry with the God. initially you were blaming to

MY Lord Sri Krishan and now to everyone . This is not fair .

 

i am waiting since long in this forum that sommeone should call me a

Dog or cat or something else but no one responded in this way. in fact

in my college we all were calling my maths teacher as Bull Dog .

 

discuss something put your opinion why you are blaming to someone for

something . i prey to God for you that Lord should help you for your

problems. start loving everyone

 

HARE RAM , HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

Dears

 

Lets first understand the fundamentals, What and who is god in our views, in the priest views and in the ghories views.

 

The attitude towards somethis is very important. Equal and opposite attitudes clash.

 

Non equal and non oposite attitudes may not cross each other and may travel by theri given directions.

 

I hope this may light something on the said issue of runnning the priests and about the temple looted.

 

If a person defines what is right and what is wrong, he will stand with own deep rooted thoughts with.

 

The somnath was god for hindus and not for ghori. Hence was that universal god? If a partial god , whom he will help and whom not?

--- On Wed, 24/9/08, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

keshav daund <keshav_daund God helps those who help themselves. Date: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008, 2:21 PM

 

 

Rev. Sir, humble obeisances! Very appropriate and to the point statement you have made. Our Somanathan temple on Gujarath was invaded sixteen times and everytime the roobers looted all the possessions. It is told that the priests, instead of saving the temple, ran away to save their own lives. None of the kings in that province came to rescue of Somanatha thinking He will save Himself. This unacceptable cowardise on the part of priests and indifference on the part of kshathriyas, Somanatha was brutally robbed.. Had the priests, used kshatriya tactics of guerilla was at the first time itself, as the invaders wwere completely new to the area, they would not have dared to come back again. The ultimate ahimsa is of no use. Thanks and regards. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help. /

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