question on kundalini

[Guest guest]

namaste to all sadhaks ..I have come here after a very long time for a

specefic question

namaste baba ..you have disappeared.

 

ok the ques is- #1 a friend of mine thinks that her kundalini has

maybe got activated.So what all are the things she 'MUST' know or

follow ie if any do's and dont's are there please tell as she is hardly

aware.

 

#2Why people say kundalini can be dangerous?Is it true?Under what

conditions it can be dangerous?How one must avoid the dangers or

overcome 'em?

 

#3 She says she feels too intense a heat within at times and sometimes

has headaches.Is it normal or a bad sign?

 

kindly help ; thanks in advance

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, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

 

> ok the ques is- #1 a friend of mine thinks that her kundalini has

> maybe got activated.So what all are the things she 'MUST' know or

> follow ie if any do's and dont's are there please tell as she is

hardly

> aware.

>

> #2Why people say kundalini can be dangerous?Is it true?Under what

> conditions it can be dangerous?How one must avoid the dangers or

> overcome 'em?

>

> #3 She says she feels too intense a heat within at times and

sometimes

> has headaches.Is it normal or a bad sign?

--------------------

 

A warm welcome back to you dear Aradhana .

 

Premature Kundalini jagran can lead to many problems like headaches,

body rashes, stomach upsets and in extreme/rare cases mental

disorders.

 

If she feels that Kundalini is over reactive and is releasing energy

in the system, she must consult a guru for advice

 

Nadi shodhan pranayama, free dancing, Chanting of Aummm and doing

kirtan etc.... distribute the energies properly and these symptoms

subside slowly.

 

burst of angers, sudden mood changes, increase or decrease in sexual

desires, horrible dreams, dryness of throat, waking up in nites

without reasons, headaches... are some of the side effects of

premature kundalini jagran

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

>

> A warm welcome back to you dear Aradhana .

>

> Premature Kundalini jagran can lead to many problems like headaches,

 

>Thank you very much baba.Advice was very crucial for her.

But what is the meaning of 'premature kundalini jagran'?And what things

cause such conditions?

[Guest guest]

Hello Aradhanaji,

 

Namaste!

 

Long time no see?

 

Coming to your friends problem i totally agree with all that

Aumji has said. To clarify further kundalini must always arise in

SUSUHMNA NADI. If it rises when Ida i.e. lunar nadi is working,

the body will experience extreme cold. Since your friend is

experiencing intense heat means Pingala i.e. solar nadi is dominant

and working. For this Nadi Shodana or any cooling pranayama like

Sheetali would be useful. Applying ghee to the bottom of both the

feet using cast iron or brass vessel to spread ghee is more

advantageous. Drinking copious amount of water will also

help.

 

Kundalini is dangerous because if you have not prepared your body

for it through Asanas, Pranayama, Mudras, etc., the body cannot

withstand the rising and besides rising through Sushmna nadi is

always preferred, unlike when lunar nadi is dominant you experience

everything cold and when solar nadi is dominant you experience

everything hot. Many have become Mad, Diseased and in many a cases

Death has resulted. I am not trying to scare you but just stating

the facts. A wise Guru is the only source of true help.

 

All the best.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

[Guest guest]

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

> But what is the meaning of 'premature kundalini jagran'?And what

things

> cause such conditions?

>

 

Dear aradhana, premature kundalini jagaran means sudden burst of

energies released by kundalini into our system or kundalini itself

rising up the spine, without proper initiation, or without proper

readiness of the body and mind.

 

Premature jagaran is normally caused by last birth's sadhna, or by

doing some beeja mantra without initiation, or in rare cases due to

accident, deep grief or prolonged illness.

 

premature jagaran if not handled properly may lead to chaos

 

love

 

Aum

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namasate Sudhakar ji; namaste baba..apologies for a delayed response -

electricity probs are always there these days..Sudhakar ji I havent

been using this id thts y

 

this is complicated and scary .

 

>hmm I think little bit I can now understand...baba she has done

sadhna-how much i cant say.Any way, regarding the symptoms of

prematured kundalini that you stated she says except occasional

headaches she has none of those.But it could be premature.Its tough

to say why a prematured happened if it did.And she has already

started acting on your advice.After doing some web searching we saw

that they didnot mention seperate symptoms of normal kundalini and

prematured.Most signs mentioned on net are same as she has been

having.Initially she didnt know that it was kundalini--at that time

her experiences were pleasent.Only some time back she started having

difficulties,pains etc and then had doubt that it was that.

 

Surely she will take a masters help.But please tell me one thing-will

a guru's help eliminate the possibility of dangers that you and

Sudhakar ji wrote?I mean I hope its possible to control the situation

in a good manner??

[Guest guest]

Hello Aradhanaji,

 

Namaste!

 

Ofcourse Kundalini shakthi can be experienced in a good manner

with GURU'S help only and not on your own though some normal

cures can be attempted.

If you can get the book KUNDALINI by pandit Gopi Krishna you

will see the detailed explanation of suffering the author went

through because of his meditation without guru's help. And

remember let your friend be very HUMBLE while approaching any

Guru so that his benign grace will help in overcoming the side

effects of Kundalini arousal.

 

All the best to your friend in TAMING the upward rise of Mother

Goddess Kundalini.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

[Guest guest]

dear Aradhana,

 

only headache does not mean kundalini jagaran, so if she is sure it

is not a medical problem and that she had other symptoms too, then

she can take it as kundalini premature blast.

 

I had the same premature kundalini blast when i did not do any

sadhna ... i didnt know about kundalini nor about any sadhanas

etc. / days i lived preplexed, but then i started getting guidance

in dreams and visions.

 

kundalini jagaran always shows some visions, vad/-siddhi, change in

food habits, divine dreams etc. so yr friend has to see all these

together.

 

 

head ache, if started by kundalini energy can be removed by any of

the exercises i wrote earlier. She can also do the following in

Shava Asana... taking pinkish white energies from head to muladhara

chakra thru spine. If the head ache is due to kundalini, then it

will go by this simple exercise

 

Aum

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

>

 

> If you can get the book KUNDALINI by pandit Gopi Krishna you

> will see the detailed explanation of suffering the author went

> through because of his meditation without guru's help. And

 

Sudhakarji, in Gopi Krishnas case, he didnt believe in God either. If

instead of focussing on lotuses & petals , he had worshipped Kundalni

as a Mother, & bowed to her power, perhaps he neednt have suffered so

much. He was doing Kundalni Yoga without a Guru, & had zero faith in

God(his orgranisation teaches that Kundalni is not a Goddess, just a

mechanical force like electricity to be harnessed. In fact, Gopi

Krishna is responsible for most of misconceptions around

Kundlani/Chakras). These twin factors: No Guru & no faith in God, led

to his suffering. But his was a rare case.

 

Most Kundalni disorders arent actually caused by the Kundalni- but by

impurities in the Ida/Pingala Nadis( & Sushmna being closed). In the

West, there is a big fashionabe to blame every disease on Kundalni

disorders. Most of these Kundalni disorders are actually Vata

disorders, easily treated by Ayurveda.

 

Vata is linked to Pran, hence its disorders resemble Kundalni

disorders. But while Kundalni problems are very very rare, Vata

disorders are common. This may happen due to forced Pranayam, Hatha

Yog, Kriyas, or any other Sadhna done without devotion.

 

So the first thing anyone who thinks they are suffering from Kundalni

disorders is to see a good Ayurvedic doctor(one who practices

classical Ayurveda, not one who has a degree in Ayurvedic Medicine

from Indian Universities, as these people practice western medicine

with herbs, & dont believe in Pran/Kundlani, as Western science

doesnt). The Ayurvedic doctor will be able to recommend simple methods

like massage, herbs to reduce the problem.

 

with love

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

Dear Shantanuji,

 

Namaste!

 

Thanks for wonderful explanation.

 

As i said in my post he did meditation without Guru's help and i

also added Taming the upward rise of Mother Goddess Kundalini. It

is so easy to consider her as Mother if not Goddess but what about

Ahankar which prevents you.

 

My main aim to recommend the book was always to do everything under

a Guru's guidance when suffering will be much less or none at all.

But i guess EGO factor always comes in the way and many ask, why

should i go to a Guru, i will do my meditation/sadanna on my own -

and then suffer the consequences.

 

The era of going to a genuine ayurvedic pandit (classical) is over.

Now a days we only see degree holders in ayurveda. That is why i

had also recommended ghee application to both the feet with a cast

iron or brass vessel. Also to do Sheetali Pranayama because from her

description kundalini is activated in Pingala nadi.

 

You have rightly observed the impurities in ida and pingala and

sushmna being closed. I had also said in my post with capital letters

that kundalini must always rise in SUSHMNA nadi.

 

Well i only hope her friends problem gets solved and thinks in

terms of contacting a true master or genuine ayurvedic pandit which

i hope wherever they live in India exists.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> Sudhakarji, in Gopi Krishnas case, he didnt believe in God either.

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

> dear Aradhana,

>

> only headache does not mean kundalini jagaran, so if she is sure

it

> is not a medical problem and that she had other symptoms too, then

> she can take it as kundalini premature blast.

>

> I had the same premature kundalini blast

>

> kundalini jagaran always shows some visions, vad/-siddhi, change in

 

namaste Sudhakar ji , namaste baba

yes Sudhakar ji I read an extract of the same book while

searching.Thank you for the kind advice

 

baba she has many signs ...I will maybe explain to you about it

sometime later

 

but you tell me if someone has so many signs as I said most sites

talked about then what else can it be?

you hadnt done any sadhna baba so how come you coped with it and how

long did it take you?

 

thank you Shanracer .. vaat disorders cant give people bliss and dont

emerge more during spiritual activities so I dont think it could be

that

 

God will help; nature has plans for everyone-who knows what happens

why

[Guest guest]

Dear Shantnuji,

 

It is wonderful, very true, your comment on Sri. Gopikrishna and such

ilks! They all want to reduce God into Matter without realizing that

very heart of the Matter is Spirit that sustains it and everything!

You made God alive. He is all pervasive, all powerful and by surrender

to Him, He makes us that way too!

 

Regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

> Sudhakarji, in Gopi Krishnas case, he didnt believe in God either.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information Shantnuji.

I'd been avoiding books of Gopi Krishan (rather most hardcore

Kundalini books) after reading the basic classical style treatises.

Your information prompted me to look into this Gentleman and was

quite amused :-)

Thanks again.

Anupam

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

 

> Sudhakarji, in Gopi Krishnas case, he didnt believe in God either.

[Guest guest]

Namaste everyone!

 

In our on going discussion on Kundalni, perhaps it is well to

reiterate: Kundalni rising is NOT the goal of Sadhna, merely a

techincal by-process. The goal of any Sadhna if Self Realisation,

realising that there is a One Spirit/God in all, that it is made of

Truth-Conciousness-Bliss. The main method for this is the integral

method of Gita, which includes a balance of Gyan-Bhakti-Karma.

 

Yoga techniues like Raja Yoga, Hatha Yog, Kundalni Yog etc help in

this(by speeding the process), but they are not the main aim of

Sadhna. If after doing Kundalni or any other Yoga, your Bhakti or Gyan

doesnt increase, it means you are wasting your time.

 

I say this, because after reading books by Gopi Krishna & the like,

many people get " spontaneous Kundalni rising " . Especially in the

West, where almost any psychic problem is blamed on the Kundalni, when

it is more properly a Vata disturbances.

 

Kundalni rising is a very momentous process- mere tingling in spine, a

pleasurable feeling, feeling happy/peaceful doesnt necessarily mean

Kundalni rising. Neither does seeing visions, having OBEs, getting

Siddis/supernatural powers etc. Even opening the Chakras doesnt

necessarily lead to Kundalni rising, as Aumji wrote we also have 3

Granthis, at least one which depends completely on grace.

 

As I wrote before, Kundalni is the Chit Shakti, the power of

awareness. It currently identifies very strongly with our body, which

is why it cant rise. So rising means that we break our identification

with the body, even if for few minutes(this doesnt happen by just

wishing or thinking about it). Needless to say, if Kundalni rises for

even few minutes, it seriously damages our ego, & hence changes our

whole life.

 

The persons whole body/mind changes. The only person I know to whom

this happened became a great Gyani & started quoting verses/thoughts

from Vedas, Upanishads, great Gurus, even though he was an atheist

before & hadnt read any of these books. He also became a great Bhakta,

though he was a cold atheist before.

 

So it may do well to not get obsessed with Kundalni rising, or other

supernatural experiences. Kundalni shakti is Adi shakti, the Mother &

highest force of the universe- the force that creates destroys proud

stars & galaxies with a click of Her fingers. Nothing we can do can

affect/influence her - we cannot make her rise & give us

enlightenment by just sitting in Padma asan & chanting a few mantras.

It is her wish- we should just do our Sadhna, & leave the rest to her.

 

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Respected Shantanu ji,

 

Thanks for such a wonderful share.

 

I think, that by rising up, Maa Kundalini just wants to convey to the Sadhak

that he is proceeding in the right direction. For the persons who are not yet

ready to handle Her enormous Power, but just want to test Her out by performing

special Asanas/Mantras, get Kundalini rising in difficult ways and may end up in

chaotic situations. A True Sadhak knows his goal and is not after rising Maa

Kundalini. She Herself rises when she thinks that the Sadhak is now ready to

break the barriers of Maya. Only then She rises normally. A fight between Maa

Maya Shakti and Maa Kundalini Shakti leads to problems in a person's life. They

both are like two boats going in opposite directions. That's why Maa Kundalini

leads a dormant existence in a person.

When a person/Sadhak frees himself from the clutches of Maa Maya, Maa Kundalini

wakes up on Her own (swatah jagaran).

 

 

To Sab Sadhak bolen, Kundalini Maa kee Jai, Jai, Jai...

 

With Regards,

 

Prabhat

 

 

--- On Mon, 4/8/08, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

Namaste everyone!

In our on going discussion on Kundalni, perhaps it is well to

[Guest guest]

Hari Om!

Â

If some one is an atheist and yet recognises the existence of Sakti or energy

and prasctises a kind of sadhana, will that not lead him to the same result?

What is important is Self Realisation. If a self-proclaimed atheist, practises a

sadhana for whatever reason, will not the kundalini rise and will he not realise

the Cosmic Mother, although he has been denying her existence all along?

Â

ulaganathan p

 

 

 

 

M.S.Thimmappa. <thimmappams

Dear Shantnuji,

 

It is wonderful, very true, your comment on Sri. Gopikrishna and such

[Guest guest]

, ulaganathan p <apunathan wrote:

>

> Hari Om!

> Â

> If some one is an atheist and yet recognises the existence of Sakti

or >energy and prasctises a kind of sadhana, will that not lead him to

 

That is true ulaganathanji, one doesnt have to worship shakti to get

Kundalni rise.

 

But, the path is full of traps, troubles, flase paths. If you treat

Kundalni as just Maya Shakti, or a dead mechanical force, you get no

help from her. Worshiping Kundalni as a Devi helps us protect us from

all these.

 

Many Yogis have said " Walking this path is more dangerous than dancing

on a swords blade, or riding a lion. " This is not the path of the

intellectually curious, or for part time Yogis. One needs a very

powerful guide to escape from Mayas maze, & what better help than the

Shakti who created this maze in the 1st place? This is why all saints

have recommended worshipping the Divine Mother.

 

love

shantnu

[Guest guest]

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

>

Yess thanks aradhana for this input. I can say for sure that Blissfull

feeling even for a minute is a sure sign of kundalini jagaran.

 

In such cases god always guides through some sources if one doesnt have

a guru.

 

aum

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, ulaganathan p <apunathan wrote:

>

> Hari Om!

> Â

> If some one is an atheist and yet recognises the existence of

Sakti or energy and prasctises a kind of sadhana, will that not lead

him to the same result? What is important is Self Realisation. If a

self-proclaimed atheist, practises a sadhana for whatever reason,

will not the kundalini rise and will he not realise the Cosmic

Mother, although he has been denying her existence all along?

 

Dear it may be possible in rarest of rare cases. Budha started his

sadhna as atheist, without believing in any god/-goddeess and he

ended up not in Love of God but in a Zero void. ...although that

void too is Truth as per Tantra.

 

Any body doining any sadhna without deep faith in God/-Mother

shakti, will reach some incomplete half truths or will suffer like

gopi krishna

 

 

This is my personal opion and is subject to correction by learned

sadhakas

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

> > If some one is an atheist and yet recognises the existence of

> Sakti or energy and prasctises a kind of sadhana, will that not lead

> him to the same result?

> Any body doining any sadhna without deep faith in God/-Mother

> shakti, will reach some incomplete half truths or will suffer like

> gopi krishna

>

>

 

> I agree with Shanracer's reply to Uglanathan ji.This is kaliyuga ;

many people are discussing kundalini or dwelling upon spiritual

subjects and following sadhnas like rajyog without Guru or knowledge

and just out of some sort of fascination or like a pursuit based on

curiosity.Some do meditation and are fascinated by ideas of sidhdhi's

or visions etc and other mystical things.Others think they are becoming

great or out of ordinary by pursuing something like spirituality.Some

depend too much on books for understanding the basics of spirituality

thus hampering any spiritual progress which would have been possible if

they had followed only thier heart.All these are subjects of the

ego.Anything just done out of egotistic desire to attain mastery over

nature or for freedom, control or only a desire to attain states of

bliss etc is not really sadhna in real sense.The reason for pursuit in

sadhna is God.In sadhna one becomes selfless, desireless(except the

desire for God union)and dimnishes ego.There is no spiritual path

without trials and pain and self sacrifice.Shri Krishna says- " except

the things that are done for Lord Vishnu all karmas in this world are

bondages. " ; " Only if you do karma for me you will get mukti " Here we

are told that God's pursuit alone can cut off the ego and not something

that nurtures it instead.

 

The person who got her kundalini awakened was not following any

egotistical desires in my point of view.Why she got her kundalini

awakened so soon cant be said.One and has to be very pure to awaken

kundalini which she was but even then in early days of awakening she

budged slightly from her pure state just because of professional

responsibilities etc and she didnt know it was awakening.and

complications started arising.I am not saying this to scare sadhaks but

its words of caution only well meant for members who are doing

sadhna.If a spiritual person with a perfect initial awakening can

encounter problems then what to say of others..so one should be very

careful and acquainted with kundalini and its aftermath; and prepared

to handle it with discretion. With people who are materialistic or not

very spiritual situation must be very bad but for people with some

spiritual background it may stil be controllable.Also many web sites

etc ill educate people about kundalini rather than guiding so people

should learn in details from very reliable source like our scriptures

or if possible from experienced ones directly. People who have read

about kundalini alone maynot be able to guide well.Maybe these all are

tests of nature one has to qualify.And like Shanracer said kundalini is

mother Shakti and not mechanical force

[Guest guest]

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

> In such cases god always guides through some sources if one doesnt

have

> a guru.

>

> aum

>

yes God will surely help on every step; God has reasons for doing

everything that happens

[Guest guest]

Hari Om!

I have heard Swami Satyananda saying that a sadak will reach a stage of 'soonya'

and beyond that for him to realise the Brahma swaroopa of God, he will need the

grace of Him or the Guru. Saint Manickavasagar said in his celebrated

Thiruvasagam, " With thine grace, we prostrate before thee! " . Many who are

advanced in sadhana ¦here may throw more light.

Hari Om tat sat

ulaganathan p

 

 

 

aumji <no_reply >

Any body doining any sadhna without deep faith in God/-Mother

shakti, will reach some incomplete half truths or will suffer like

gopi krishna

 

This is my personal opion and is subject to correction by learned

sadhakas

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

Dear AUMJI,

 

Yes Sir, conditions that make Kundalini awake and the aftermath is

often unpredictable and hence can not be 'planned' too! Sometimes it

happens just like that, unforeseen, even unsought and sometimes with

constant and steadfast practice one is nowhere near it. Only, we know

for certain, with umpteen number of evidences before us, that it exist!

 

I often feel that it is beyond or independent of one's age, practice,

profession, possessions, success, status, relationships, IQ, genes,

sufferings or lack of sufferings. For everyone, in the midst of pains

and crises, joys and other circumstances there occurs on its own, (in

spite of and despite or because of those things even!) a glimpse of

that silence, a empty space, where everything of what we know of about

ourselves and the world collapses and a fresh light flashes. A few

pick up that, finds a guru ( guru becomes very meaningful, personally,

now, as the fire is lit inside ), pursues it and reap the 'riches' as

by product. Many miss that 'silence' moment or capture it but mixed

with bloated/gloated ego, they get doomed. Awareness, a casual,

unhurried, desire-less, expectation-less alertness/vigilance, may help

in not missing those moments Lord has offered.

 

With love as ever.

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

>

> Any body doining any sadhna without deep faith in God/-Mother

> shakti, will reach some incomplete half truths or will suffer like

> gopi krishna

>

>

> This is my personal opion and is subject to correction by learned

> sadhakas

>

> Aum

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Free Spirit,

 

I read your post. Found it informative, but don't really agree with everything

you said.

 

Think of when we were child. We start learning to walk just out of mere

curiosity or may be we wanted to have that capability so that we can move about

more freely. Likewise, every Soul is on a journey towards The Supreme Soul. When

the Soul is in it's beginning stages (of spiritual journey ofcourse, I am not

here mentioning anything about rest of his material journey which it has

undergone), the Sadhak may be seeking GOD for various reasons (curiosity,

Siddhis, etc.). But he/she is still advancing. I accept that anything done with

Ego coming in between doesn't lead to much advancement. But their advancement

(if even by an inch) cannot be ignored. Those who are or who think that they are

at advanced levels of their Divine Journey should not forget that they were also

at the same stages previously and that they have reached upto this level by

moving inch by inch in the same way as other Souls for whom we are saying that

they are doing things out of mere

curiosity, selfish reasons, by books and all.

 

We should always remember that for GOD, Supreme Soul, Parmatma, we all are just

the same, HIS innocent children, HIS own reflection. That's the difference

between Soul and Supreme Soul. Soul differentiates, categorizes, makes

boundaries, while the Supreme Soul doesn't.

 

With Regards,

 

Prabhat

 

 

--- On Mon, 4/8/08, i_free_spirit <i_free_spirit wrote:

i_free_spirit <i_free_spirit

Re: question on kundalini

> I agree with Shanracer's reply to Uglanathan ji.This is kaliyuga ;

 

many people are discussing kundalini or dwelling upon spiritual

 

subjects and following sadhnas like rajyog without Guru or knowledge

[Guest guest]

, " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams

wrote:

>

> Dear AUMJI,

>

> Yes Sir, conditions that make Kundalini awake and the aftermath is

> often unpredictable and hence can not be 'planned' too! Sometimes

it

 

dear Thimmappaji, you are right here. I would say sudden kundalini

awakening is not an un/-planned thing, even if it looks like so.

 

Extreme grief, accident or illness which cause premature kundalini

jagaran is always; due to last birth's sadhna...otherwise all those

undergoing trauma will get kundalini jagaran.

 

Even purity of body and thoughts is not a pre-requisite in such

cases. If not handled properly, the enegies dissipate and the

sadhaka goes back tonormal life .... only to awaken again in next

birth.

 

 

In many cases such premature awakening,start purifying the body and

mind and the sadhaka starts his journey ahead but this is slow

process. Presence of a guru hastens the process,but in this yuga

there is little chance of getting a guru with whom you can discuss

one to one or tete-a-tete discussion regarding his problem

 

Sadhna group was formed to overcome such problems and let sadhaka

discuss suchthings with like minded sadhaka and progress and i hope

Sadhna group is doing that

 

love

 

aum