Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Is knowing self is same as knowing God ? what is difference is Self & god, if any ? Please give detailed answer Jaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 , jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote: > > Is knowing self is same as knowing God ? > > what is difference is Self & god, if any ? > i think in simple words it can expressed as below: God is like an ocean and a drop of ocean is a part of ocean. A drop is having all the characteristics of ocean, still it is not ocean. Drop is a part of ocean and not separated from it. All such drops combined together form the ocean. We can have a glimpse of the attributes of the ocean if we know the attributes of the drop. so hum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 , jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote: > > Is knowing self is same as knowing God ? > > what is difference is Self & god, if any ? Jayaji, according to Vedic knowledge, our real Self is the Pure Spirit, which is beyond time & space. Each one of us, also animals, plants, even dead things like rocks, have the same spirit or Self. Knowing the Self is knowing that Pure Spirit beyond time & space, & realising that all that happens is due to the Will of the spirit. God is also a creation of the Spirit- technically, God is the Pure Satoguni reflection of the Spirit in Prakriti or Nature: As such the main role of God is to help us attain Self Realisation(God doesnt care about creating , preserving or destroying the Earth- this misconception is due to later Puranic stories). All Avatars of God were mainly for this reason: Ram to show us how to live a Dharmic life, Krishna to show us how to go beyond the 3 Gunas, as well Avtaars of Shiva like Gorakh Nath who taught Yoga. Vayu/Shiva incarnated as Hanuman to show us how Bhakti coupled with strong Karma Yoga led to moksha. This is the only reason for God. Knowing God is not same as knowing the Self, as the Self is beyond even the Gods. But it is hard to reach the Pure Spirit directly, which is why the Vedic way is to 1st reach the height of Satoguna(which is what God is), then like Krishna, go beyond all gunas & live like a master. with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM > Is knowing self is same as knowing God ? > > what is difference is Self & god, if any ? > I suppose that God is Lord Sri Krishan now i am comfirtable to answer that question . THANKS FOR GREAT QUESTION there are 2 self God is both the selfs but both the selfs are not the God knowing both self is also knowing the God but knowing God is beyound knowing the both the self. there is difference between God and self also there is no difference in God and self HARE KRISHAN , HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > there are 2 self > > God is both the selfs but both the selfs are not the God Dear jitinder, will you please explain it further which are 2 self(s) ? and how they are not gods Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Hari Om! The following is my understanding about the self and God. Self is known as Jeevatman and God, as Paramatman. The dwaitic philosophy regard them as two separate entities. The advaitists regard them as one and the same. Vishistadvaidam says that although both are the same, the Paramatman is special in that in remain embedded as 'antaryami' into all the jeevatmas. From a yogi's point of view, all the above philosophies could be true, depending on the level of consciousness one maintains in the sadhana. In the ultimate sadhana, the end experience could be that of advaitam. In the beginning, it could be dwaitic/dual and vashishtadvaidic stage could be attained in the middle. That is my theoritical understanding. There are many advanced yogis here, who could further throw light on this subject. ulaganathan p jitendra kumar <jtin_ja HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM > Is knowing self is same as knowing God ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM > > God is both the selfs but both the selfs are not the God > > Dear jitinder, will you please explain it further which are 2 self> > and how they are not gods > Sir Ji in my opinion , one is temporary self and other is permanant self temporary is created by the God and lives in the God , hence it is the God but God neither lives in temporary and nor God is temporary ( because God is infinite time ) , Hence God is not temporary self i think i am clear to my statement what i had written but Sir Ji please comment weather i am in direction or totally out of the direction HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Dear Ulaganathanji, Very well said, Sir, I fully agree with the understanding.Advaita, Dvaita and Vishashtadvaita are all right in the sense that each of their perception depends on the level of consciousness in which beings/world is viewed. Much before those three Acharyas, Hanuman puts all the three perspectives without giving the names given by the Acharyas but meaning the same.Great Hanuman tells Rama when the latter ask him " who are you " : Deha bhaavena daasosmi, from the body point of view, I am your servant,- this is Dwaita. Jeeva bhaavena tvadamshakaha, from the mind point of view, I am part of you, - this is Vishishtaadvaita. Aatma bhaavena tvamevaham, - from the soul point of you I am you, - this is Advaita! Debate/quarrel among the three schools/Acharyaas is unnecessary!! - M.S.Thimmappa. , ulaganathan p <apunathan wrote: > From a yogi's point of view, all the above philosophies could be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 , " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote: > Deha bhaavena daasosmi, from the body point of view, I am your > servant,- this is Dwaita. > Jeeva bhaavena tvadamshakaha, from the mind point of view, I am part > of you, - this is Vishishtaadvaita. > Aatma bhaavena tvamevaham, - from the soul point of you I am you, - > this is Advaita! > > Debate/quarrel among the three schools/Acharyaas is unnecessary!! > Thimmappaji, that was a beautiful story. Dont you find it strange that in whole of Ramayan, Ram never says he is God, yet Hanuman says several times that Ram is God. Not only that, but he tears his chest to show that Ram lives in his heart. Since the heart is also the home of the Jivatma, this shows Hanuman had disolved his ego, & now only God lived in his heart. Hanumanji is often portrayed as a simpleton Bhakta, the way educated city people assume village people are. Yet I cant help but thinking Hanuman is the greatest Gyani of all time, on par with the original Vedic Rishis. What do you think? with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Shantnuji, yes indeed. Hanuman is a great Bhakta, great Jnani, great Yogi ( you know he had anima siddhis ). He had no problem in being a lowliest of the low and mightiest of the mighty as he had no ego hang up as you have said. He has merged with the Divine/Whole, has become an empty space like the Lord Krishna's flute, for the Lord to play His leela through him! Regards, M.S.Thimmappa. , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > Thimmappaji, that was a beautiful story. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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