What really dies ?

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Thanks dear friends for replying to my serious question. I thank all

including shanracer, sudhakar, anupam jitinder and aumji for the

wisdom they spread.

 

My other question is Who really dies at the time of death. If our

karma our desires, our ego, our energies all survive the death what

else dies at the time of death besides the physical body?

 

How it is decided, as to which body we would get in next birth?

 

respectfully yours

 

jaya

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Dear Jayaji,

 

It is the sthula sharira, the physical body alone dies and the suksma

sharira consisting of mind and intellect survives and takes re-birth.

Which body it takes is determined by our prarabdha karma.

 

Regards,

M.S.Thimmappa

 

 

, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

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> Thanks dear friends for replying to my serious question. I thank all

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HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

> My other question is Who really dies at the time of death. If our

> karma our desires, our ego, our energies all survive the death what

> else dies at the time of death besides the physical body?

>

> How it is decided, as to which body we would get in next birth?

>

> Thanks Mam for a question

 

in my opinion some portion of the bad karma , desires , ego , our

negative energies all dies with death .and that is why death is the

mercy of the God for us.

 

as per our ego in the astral body we take another birth .

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM, RAM RAM,HARE HARE

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What Really Dies???

 

A Soul has impressions and its Karmic bondage with this Existence at three

levels of consciousness. They are - Physical, Astral & Causal.

The Physical Form comprises and manifests itself with a combination of 5

elements. This form is ephemeral having limited existence based on Karma/s. At

the time of Death, this form gets detached. Yet the soul remains with its

remaining 2 forms. Soon the second Form also gets detached (which we call MUKTI)

and as a part of the Soul's journey based on the Karmic impressions stored in

the Causal Form, it acquires its 'Next Form'.

Sometimes this 'Next Form' need not be the same (human). There are many

YONIS...where the elementary combination is different, usually lacking the Earth

element........like, Dev, Gandharva, Apsara, Bramharakshas, Bhut...etc. :-)

Through these transitions, the Soul acquires many impressions which remain

stored in the CAUSAL BODY. It is the Causal Body that remains around the Soul,

like fragrance lingering around a Flower. And this decides its further Path

through various Planes of Existence.

When a Sadhak expands the consciousness by getting Awareness of the Astral Plane

and further the Causal Plane, reaching a position to " Cast A Path for the Soul

by Own Choice " , is able to free oneself from the forces of Karmic Bondage.

 

NOTE: The ASTRAL FORM of elevated Souls can remain preserved and can return to

guide those who attempt to get association with 'that FORM'......like Sai Baba,

Jesus, All Sadgurus........while their SOUL may continue its journey as per the

Cosmic Plan.

 

So, finally replying Jayaji (which is always difficult :-) its the PHYSICAL BODY

THAT DIES. THE ASTRAL BODY SURVIVES, UNTIL MUKTI. THE CAUSAL BODY REMAINS ANYWAY

TO GAIN ANOTHER (ASTRAL+PHYSICAL) BODY UNTIL.....................THE SOUL NEVER

DIES ;-)

 

This is how the Hindu Shastras explain the journey of the SOUL, which sound most

LOGICAL to me, however left for Sadhnatmak validation by Self. Do correct me in

case.........

 

Regards,

Anupam

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

> My other question is Who really dies at the time of death. If our

> karma our desires, our ego, our energies all survive the death

what

> else dies at the time of death besides the physical body?

>

> How it is decided, as to which body we would get in next birth?

>

 

First of all accept my thanks for asking such thought provoking

questions, bringing out more wisdom from our learned members.

 

In my opinion, Nothing dies at the time of death. There is only

disintegration of a System of chemicals, pranas, karmas and desires.

 

The chemicals of physical body transform into its elements. The

panch prana, desires and karma circle around the ego and leave the

body in search of new body.

 

The vrittis are taken by subtle body to the new body and the gross

memory goes back to Universal chitta.

 

Death is not " Death " of anything but disintegration and re-

arrangment of the system of energies.

 

Aum

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> Sometimes this 'Next Form' need not be the same (human). There are

 

 

nice explanation anupam ji, could you please further explain the

characteristics, powers, attributes, nature etc of these non-earthy

forms. Are they only in some transition phase or can be there for

hundereds of years.What makes a soul to attain such forms after death?

Are such souls in some higher stage as compared to normal souls taking

re-births?

 

thanks

 

so hum...

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

 

> In my opinion, Nothing dies at the time of death. There is only

> disintegration of a System of chemicals, pranas, karmas and desires.

 

 

Thanks to everyone- Aumji, anupamji, Jitendarji, Thimappa,Sudhakar &

others who answered.

 

I think it is clear it is only the physical body that dies, & like

aumji said, its not death, but merely a return to source on its

constituents.

 

I would like to add these beautiful words I read:

 

" Death is the cessation of the ego only, not life. Life in fact grows

by death "

 

Death destroys our body based ego- nothing else. Life doesnt end by

death, in fact it increases- as death of one creature is food for

another, like we eat plants and animals to stay alive, & at our death,

we will again become food for the Earth & the creatures that live in it.

 

with love

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

> Death destroys our body based ego- nothing else. Life doesnt end by

 

Thanks for all beautiful replies. Dear shantnu what is " Body-based

Ego " . Do we have 2 egos ? I never heard it?

 

jaya

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Q: nice explanation anupam ji, could you please further explain the

 

characteristics, powers, attributes, nature etc of these non-earthy

 

forms.A: Characteristics, powers, attributes and natures we are been told since

we were children through bedtime stories of our Grandparents :-) see, how

beautiful and rich is our culture. Stories of celestial beings, like, devas,

apsaras, gandharvas...our mythology is full with them. Similarly stories of

bhut, pret, pishach, bramharakshas...also Pitru yoni where a human soul transits

after death.Ofcourse the Deva yonis are higher forms where the soul enjoys its

good karmas and the lower yonis are for the souls to pass through as a result of

Karmas & their " Unfullfilled Longings " at the moment of Death. They may not be

as powerful as the Devas, but surely do possess powers to transcend the Physical

Laws due to lack of Earth Element.....thus, sometimes we hear of Bhutas been

kept as slaves :-)

Q: Are they only in some transition phase or can be there for

 

hundereds of years.A: The timing slot varies at different planes. Our Shastras

categorically explains the 'time calculations' of these planes as compared to

each other...like, Bhur, Bhuvah, Swaha, Maha, Janah, Tapah, Satya.On the lower

planes, for example, in Pitru Loka, their 1 day and 1 night is equal to our 30

days month. Thus, once in a year in the month of Bhadrapada (Krishna Paksha) we

consider as Pitru Paksha and offer Pinda for appeasing our ancestors. These 15

days and 15 nights of our plane is equal to 1 day of Pitru Loka (plz correct me

if I'm wrong....am relying on my memory :)How long a Soul is destined to stay on

such Planes??? mmmm....I think its Karma driven. Would appreciate answer from

anyone on this.

Q: What makes a soul to attain such forms after death?A: Karma ofcourse and most

importantly the State of Consciousness at the moment of Death.

 

Q: Are such souls in some higher stage as compared to normal souls taking

 

re-births?

A: Higher or Lower is only in terms of the BHOGA. All souls, in order to

liberate, has to come back to this 'Earth Plane' after completing their due of

BHOGA (good or bad) on their respective planes.

 

 

thanks

 

 

 

so hum...

Thanks to you too Sohum (I do not not know whether to add a 'ji' after your name

or not as I do not know your age :-). I am 36 btw.As Aumji wrote, when someone

shares the learnings, its  - " bringing out more wisdom from our learned

members. " Its like re-looking and reassessing your own Believes. Also, I liked

his elemental and categoric explanation of Death :-)

 

Regards,

Anupam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

 

> Thanks for all beautiful replies. Dear shantnu what is " Body-based

> Ego " . Do we have 2 egos ? I never heard it?

 

jayaji, identifying with the physical body is the body ego. We can

also identify with our astral(after death or in lower samadhis) or

causal body(in higher Samadhi).

 

The real freedom is not to identify with any body, but still have the

choice of taking on a body if so desired.

 

with love

Shantnu

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, Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote:

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Anupam ji

thankyou very much for point wise reply on my quries. It was very

informative to know after death reality.

 

>>Thanks to you too Sohum (I do not not know whether to add a 'ji'

after your name or not as I do not know your age :-).

 

please do not embarrass a common human being like me by adding " ji " who

is still trying to come out of darkness

 

>>I liked his elemental and categoric explanation of Death :-)

 

very true, anupam ji he nicely integrated death with law of

conservation of energy.

 

thanks again.

 

so hum...