how to recognise a true guru?

[Guest guest]

Now a days spiritual gurus are mushrooming all around, each boasting

of his genuinity. Many people thus waste precious years with fake

gurus.

 

Is there a way to find out how to recognise a truely spiritual guru,

who is really interested in our spiritual upliftment but not our

wealth?

 

Regards

 

jaya

[Guest guest]

, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

 

Hello Jayaji,

 

Namaste!

 

First and foremost you cannot find out or recognise a true

spiritual guru. Guru finds you and not other way round.

When the chela(disciple) is ready, Guru appears.

 

But that does not mean you should sulk and be worried. You

have to keep trying.

 

Ofcourse there are criteria's to understand or recognise a

true spiritual master.

 

1. He never charges a single copper coin for his initiation.

Nor in future he ever asks you to donate your wealth.

 

2. Spiritual master are always self sufficient. As guru Nanak

(i think) said, those who say, BHIKSHAN DEHI don't know the

path. Look at all true masters.

 

a. Guru Nanak was a FARMER.

b. Kabir was a WEAVER.

c. Tukaram was a GROCER.

d. Namdev was a DYER.

e. Gora was a POTTER.

f. Ravidas was a COBBLER.

g. Jessus Christ was a CARPENTER so on and so forth. The list is

endless. YOU GET THE DRIFT?

 

3. He never criticizes others path.

 

4. He only talks mainly that this is not your TRUE HOME, you are

a spiritual being having human experience, so lets make

arrangements to get away from this MISERY.

 

Ofcourse there are some saints who visit a jail of this Sansar,

and offers blankets to the inmates of the jail, another saints

provides cooler during summer to enjoy cold water, and then comes

another true master, he does not offer you blankets/cooler etc.,

etc., instead he gives individually KEY to break open from the

shackles of the prison but the stupid prisoner is so attached to

his shackles (mayavi sansar) that though he understands yet

refuses to break free.

 

For your information Jesus Christ said, I come not to save the

world, I come for marked souls. Yet majority of his followers

due to heavy propaganda think and follow Christ hoping he will

save them. In this context the book POWERS OF POSITIVE THINKING

by Mr. Murphy says that some of the help you experience is your

own subconscious mind helping you. THINK ABOUT IT LONG ENOUGH

AND IT WILL COME TO YOU. Also WHAT YOU RESISTS PERSISTS.

 

So getting to the true path is a hassle but all your efforts will

never go to waste. It has to bear fruit, if not now, then in

next birth. HOW MUCH BURNING DESIRE YOU HAVE ACCORDINGLY YOU

MOVE UP THE LADDER.

 

It is not saying, i have a true burning desire etc., etc., -

remember all this should be from within.

 

Hope this much is sufficient to give you hint to search for a

True Living Master not the dead one - no matter how great he/she

was.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Now a days spiritual gurus are mushrooming all around, each

boasting

> of his genuinity. Many people thus waste precious years with fake

> gurus.

>

> Is there a way to find out how to recognise a truely spiritual

guru,

> who is really interested in our spiritual upliftment but not our

> wealth?

>

> Regards

>

> jaya

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jayaji,

I am elucidating some points, thats coming to my mind randomly...

 

- Meeting our SADGURU who is meant for us will definitely give a

feeling " OH LORD! THIS IS ALL THAT I WAS SEARCHING FOR ALL THIS TIME " .

Many have felt so.

- A SADGURU does not refer to SHASTRAS coz he/she LIVES it. Thus, a

SADGURU doesn't have to see the books to address to any topic.

- Even if a SADGURU is known to us, he/she may not be the one for us.

Yet in that case we can surely learn what we can from him/her and move

on...

- Although SADGURU does not open books to address ANY topic, yet its

is commonly said that a GURU must be " Shrotriya " ...has read and

practiced the SHASTRAS.

- Finally, if the " Thirst " is " Extreme " , the Nature always gifts us

with someone to act a GUIDE. Its an inevitable law of Nature.

- In case its a strong continuation of the Sadhanatmak Path of past

lives, the SADGURU finds us anyway.

- To begin with, Books of Enlightened Souls can act as a nice guide

towards the path; however, with one risk...coz we start equating our

own lives with the ones we read and our expectations could enter a

fantasy realm and failing which might make us disheartened.

 

FINALLY, I have heard that praying to " LORD SHIVA " can show way

towards the GURU who is meant for us, coz HE is the " AADI GURU " . THIS

MUST BE TRIED.

 

Regards,

Anupam

 

 

 

 

, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

>

> Now a days spiritual gurus are mushrooming all around, each boasting

> of his genuinity. Many people thus waste precious years with fake

> gurus.

>

> Is there a way to find out how to recognise a truely spiritual guru,

> who is really interested in our spiritual upliftment but not our

> wealth?

>

> Regards

>

> jaya

>

[Guest guest]

, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

 

> Is there a way to find out how to recognise a truely spiritual >guru,

> who is really interested in our spiritual upliftment but not our

> wealth?

 

jayaji, I read this somewhere, I have found nothing better than it:

 

" Gurus are like politicians- you get the ones you deserve, not the

ones you want " .

 

Hypocrites will find a hypocrite Guru, honest people will find an

honest Guru. If you have been cheated by a dishonest Guru- look

inside, you have the same character flaw. The fact there are so many

dishonest Gurus is because there are so many dishonest people.

This is not what people want to hear, especially in the West where

there is a " blame " culture- everything bad is someone elses fault.

 

However, there is a big danger of having a mental idea of what a Guru

should be, & searching for a Guru with that. The mental idea is

someone who is very poor, can quote scriptures, is a sanyaasi, or any

other ideas.

 

So if you want a good guru- raise your own level first. Nowdays there

are hundreds of books on meditation, shastras, commentaries- one needs

no excuse not to start meditating. Later on, when we are ready, the

Guru will appear, if Ma Shakti thinks we cannot progress further

without one.

 

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Dear Jayaji,

 

True guru:

 

1.Whose company he is with or prefers most of the time, rich and

wealthy or poor, disadvantaged and diseased? Latter is the true guru,

the former, not! Christ, Mother Teresa, Gandhi, Vinoba tendered sick

and the poor including animals. Krishna's best friend was Sudhama who

wore torn clothe and had only a morsel of beaten rice to offer!

 

2.Does he make us more and more self reliant or make us dependent on

him so that for every tiny problem we rush for guidance. Former is

the guru, the latter, not!

 

3.Every time we visit him we feel more strong within, more peaceful.

He is a guru. If we feel more and more insecure/unsettled that

disturbs our life setting, he is a fake!

 

No?

 

Regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

 

 

 

, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

>

> Now a days spiritual gurus are mushrooming all around, each

boasting

> of his genuinity. Many people thus waste precious years with fake

> gurus.

>

> Is there a way to find out how to recognise a truely spiritual

guru,

> who is really interested in our spiritual upliftment but not our

> wealth?

>

> Regards

>

> jaya

>

[Guest guest]

Excerpts of answers that touched..........

 

 

By M.S.Thimappaji :

 

" Does he make us more and more self reliant or make us dependent on

 

him so that for every tiny problem we rush for guidance. Former is

 

the guru, the latter, not! "

" Every time we visit him we feel more strong within, more peaceful.

 

He is a guru. If we feel more and more insecure/unsettled that

 

disturbs our life setting, he is a fake! "

 

By Shantnuji :

 

"

So if you want a good guru- raise your own level first. Nowdays there

 

are hundreds of books on meditation, shastras, commentaries- one needs

 

no excuse not to start meditating. Later on, when we are ready, the

 

Guru will appear, if Ma Shakti thinks we cannot progress further

 

without one. "

 

By Anupam :

 

" FINALLY, I have heard that praying to " LORD SHIVA " can show way

 

towards the GURU who is meant for us, coz HE is the " AADI GURU " . THIS

 

MUST BE TRIED. "

 

By Sudhakarji :

 

"

First and foremost you cannot find out or recognise a true

 

spiritual guru. Guru finds you and not other way round.

 

When the chela(disciple) is ready, Guru appears. "

" HOW MUCH BURNING DESIRE YOU HAVE ACCORDINGLY YOU

 

MOVE UP THE LADDER. "

 

Thanks to all and ofcourse Jayaji for putting up Very Insightful and Necessary

questions.

 

Regards,

A :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote:

>

> Excerpts of answers that touched..........

 

Dear Anupamji,

 

Namaste!

 

That was brilliant, absolutely brilliant, not because you

featured me also in it but because you featured yourself as

well.

 

Thanks very much, you made my day.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

[Guest guest]

Dear Anupamji,

 

Thanks for your soulful remarks!

 

Best wishes and regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

, Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote:

>

> Excerpts of answers that touched..........

[Guest guest]

Every Guru is a true Master. It takes a lot of hardwork and continous

discipline, perseverance to become a Guru. it is either you're or not. A paragon

had never existed and will never exist. Every human Guru have their own

weaknesses and that should not be looked upon to construe that they're False

Guru.

 

Guru are human being and subject to weaknesses and error they're not Angel.

 

 

Dear Anupamji,Thanks for your soulful remarks!Best wishes and

[Guest guest]

Well Mr.Davies,

As you said rightly, " it is either you're or not " .

 

When we say about a TRUE GURU as, weak or strong, right or wrong, just

or unjust, righteous or immoral, its like trying to - UNDERSTAND THE

COLOUR OF THE " SUN " , WITHOUT MIXING THE SEVEN COLOURS THAT WE ARE

GIVEN IN HAND - VIOLET, INDIGO, BLUE, GREEN, YELLOW, ORANGE & RED.

Lets simply presume that we are not allowed to mix them. How shall we

determine the colour of the SUN?

This World is in the plane of DUALITY (say, the seven colours). When

they are MIXED together 'within us', the SUN rises 'within' and its

TRUE colour is revealed 'within'. A GURU is someone who has 'mixed'

these colours 'within' ownself and is capable & willing to guiding

others through the same 'process'. Its just a metaphor, anyway.

 

In the external world, the actions are bound to be in the form of

DUALITY (thus, imperfect and comparable). However, ONE who has

ACHIEVED INNER PERFECTION (NON-DUALITY, UNIVERSAL EXPANSION, SUPER

CONSCIOUSNESS....Whatever we name that State of NAMELESSNESS), their

actions are always meaningful, if understood, and with the sole aim to

inspire & guide other souls towards the same path; No matter whether

it fits into our intellectual reasoning or not. Actually most of the

time it may not rationally.

 

Regards,

Anupam

 

 

, " mohammed. A. Davies "

<ma_davies44 wrote:

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> Every Guru is a true Master. It takes a lot of hardwork and