Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Namaste! We had a good discussion on Karma. Perhaps we should discuss what Karma Yoga is. Most traditional commentators on the Gita have a low opinion of Karma Yoga, which they say is those who are not fit for Gyan or Bhakti(depending on which school it is). They follow the division of Vedas into 2: 1. Gyan Kanda -which is mainly the Upanishads 2. Karma Kanda- the rest of Vedas, associated with rituals This division of the Vedas is wrong, as it assumes that 90% of the Vedas are useless, & only the 10% containing Upanishads etc are useful. Most commentators confuse Karma Yoga with Karma Kanda, which is wrong. Krishna himself goes to lengths to show that doing rituals for materialistic reasons is not Karma Yoga, yet thats how it is understood. This mistake comes about because commentators have a poor idea of what Vedic rituals were about(a problem that existed even in Krishnas time, as Krishna has to clarify this in the Gita). At the other extreme, modern commentators confuse Karma Yoga with charity, philanthropy etc which good by themselves, are not Karma Yoga. The main Vedic ritual is the Yagya(the fire ritual). Yet the Vedas say all life is a Yagya. The words Yagya is not just used for ritual, but for journey(towards enlightenment), climbing hills(each hill represents a spiritual goal. The Gods only tell that much as will be required for our current goal, they may hide other knowledge so we dont get distracted), a battle(against hostile forces that want to stop our progress), & finally it also means ritual. But this ritual is not just mechanical chanting. Even the Brahmanas, part of the Vedas that give details of rituals, mention that it is Brahma who does the sacrifice, & Brahma accepts the sacrifice, the same idea that Krishna says thousands of years later. Yet the Brahmanas are dismissed as dead rituals, not fit for Yogis! To know why the ritual was so important, we have to look at the Vedic mindset. They did not see the world as an illusion, Maya(which originally meant Magical power of God, not illusion), nor as a place of misery. They say the world as a place of delight, where God manifests his power, using his magical power of Maya. The essence of the world was giving, sacrifice. Everything we do -eating, breathing, moving- we are dependent on others, which maybe plants, animals, sun, forests, sea etc. The Vedic Rishis found that life was a process of sacrificing, just as Brahma had sacrificed himself to create the world. All life is a sacrifice- the Gods provide us with food, water, comforts. In return its our duty to help those lower than us(plants, animals) , as well as offering thanks to the Gods. They did this with Love & enthusiasm, not under some compulsion. As Krishna says in the Gita, those who accept the sacrifice of the Gods, yet give nothing in return, are thieves. All life is a ritual- it is a set of acts performed with full awareness to bring harmony not just for ourself, but the world as well. In my last post I wrote about doing everything with awareness. This is possible if we look at everything we do as a sacred ritual, & aim to please God with it. Tantra took this concept further, & said even things like sex could be practiced as a sacred ritual, in which case its negative points(like loss of energy) would be cancelled. But this concept has been corrupted, with people confusing that Tantra encourages normal sex for enjoyment, while all Tantra says is- every act we do, & this includes sex for married couples, should be done as a sacred act- with humility, full awareness, & bowing to the God within. So for example, eating, a normal act everyone does, can be converted into a Yagya, or fire ritual. The fire is our digestive fire, Jatharagni. The sacrifice is the food. The result of the sacrifice is good health. Before starting eating, mentally bow to God, & chant the Gayatri mantra. Then with 1st 5 morsels of food chant " Om Pranaya Swaha! Om Udanaya Swaha! Om Samanaya Swaha! Om Vyanaya Swaha! Om Apanaya Swaha! " These are the 5 Pran in our body, which are also form of Agni. After this, we can continue chanting Gayatri mantra with each bite if we want. But we must eat slowly & with full awareness. At the end of the meal, we can end with the prayer " I am the food. I am also the eater of Food. God is food. " , or any other prayer that thanks God. In this way a simple act of eating has been converted into a powerful Vedic ritual! This is the Karma Yoga Krishna was talking about- doing everything with awareness, as a sacrifice to the God within us. By doing everything with awareness, we are sacrificing to the flame of awareness in our heart. As I wrote earlier, this flame will burn away all our negative habits like anger, hatred, & only allow pure feelings like love to remain. As we can see now, this Karma Yoga is not inferior to Gyan or Bhakti, nor is it easier. In fact it is quiet difficult. When you start it, for 1st few days you will be very enthusiastic, then the mind will become tired, & either stop or start doing things mechanically, which is how rituals get lost/corrupted. The solution is- Karma cannot be practiced in isolation- it must be practiced with devotion to God(Bhakti), & knowledge of our True Self as Beings of Love & Light(Gyan Yoga). Only then is enlightenment possible. with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: >> Most traditional commentators on the Gita have a low opinion of Karma > Yoga, which they say is those who are not fit for Gyan or > Bhakti(depending on which school it is). They follow the division of > Vedas into 2: > thanks shantanu, this is altogether new insight into the concept of Karma yoga. But you only gave an example of eating food. Is there a general true definition of Karma Yoga ? Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Dear Shantanuji, Namaste! Your article on karma yoga made an interesting reading though it was incomplete (Gustaki Maaf) as far as explaining the eating of first 5 morsel of food. The first 5 morsels of food referred as NAYWALA should be consumed in following way. The staple food of north indians is wheat while in the south it is rice. East and west is again rice and wheat respectively. So north indians should make 5 small pieces of chappati/roti/ nan/puri whatever. The south indian does not face this problem as rice is small in size and can be conveniently held between fingers to form the different five mudras. So the first mudra is Pran mudra so take a grain of two of rice/ chappati piece in between little finger plus ring finger and the thumb and then place it in mouth saying OM PRANAYA SWAHA. Then again take rice/chappati with ring finger plus middle finger and the thumb and then place it in the mouth saying OM APANAYA SWAHA. Next third mudra is formed by taking rice/chappati between middle finger plus forefinger and the thumb saying OM VYANAYA SWAHA. Fourth morsel is taking rice/chappati between ring finger, middle finger, forefinger and the thumb saying OM UDANAYA SWAHA. And lastly 5th morsel is taken by holding rice/chappati between little finger, ring finger, middle finger plus forefinger along with thumb and saying OM SAMANAYA SWAHA. In the book Yogic mudra by Upadhya from Delhi says the sequence is important and the benefits are not only health but wealth as well & any person who visit this house who eats in the above manner always find the food eaten here as most tasty. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > Namaste! > > We had a good discussion on Karma. Perhaps we should discuss what > Karma Yoga is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > >> > This is the Karma Yoga Krishna was talking about- doing everything > with awareness, > all our negative habits like anger, hatred, & only allow pure feelings > like love to remain. > > wonder ful shantnu ji, it was supplepentary information on law of karma. again all i have picked up the essence of karm yoga is to be aware of everything we do and observe sakshi bhava. once again thankyou so much for inspiration. regards so hum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: > Your article on karma yoga made an interesting reading though it > was incomplete (Gustaki Maaf) as far as explaining the eating of > first 5 morsel of food. Sudhakarji, its not the action thats important, but the feeling its done with. The point is to do everything with awareness- not replace awareness with yet another mechanical act. with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 , aumji <no_reply wrote: > Is there a general true definition of Karma Yoga ? Yes Aumji. The real Karma Yoga is to live in the Divine presence 24 hours a day, & let it work through you. Many people intrepret the Gitas teaching as " Dedicate all actions to God " , but this is just the 1st step. Dedicating actions means, you do what you want, but dedicate results to God, which maybe ok for beginners, but is not the real Karma Yoga. The real Karma Yoga is to realise that it is God that working through us, that they are his actions in the 1st place. Just living with this awareness that we are merely Gods tools is Karma Yoga. The real Karma Yogi makes no distinction between good/bad, active/passive Karma, as he realises its God who is the Doer. Thats why I said actions are not important- the conciousness they are done with is important. Since most people cannot do this, the easier way is to remember God before each action. If that is too difficult, we can remember God before starting & at end of each action. Like remember God when starting job, & thank him when leaving for home. Slowly, this gets engrained in the subconcious, & we will always be doing this. with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 > The real Karma Yoga is to realise that it is God that working through > us, that they are his actions in the 1st place. Just living with this > awareness that we are merely Gods tools is Karma Yoga. ShanJi thanks wonderfull explanation on Karma Yoga. Once we understand this may be anger, pain, crime will evade. Thanks shanji. Luv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Dear Shantanuji, Namaste! I agree fully that feelings are important than doing mechanical act but here what i am trying to say is about the sequence. Supposing if you have to chant gayatri mantra which is AUM BHOOR BHOOVA SWAHA TATSAVITUR VARANYAM BHARGO DEVSYA DHEEMAHI DHIYO YON PRACHODAYAT and if you chant as follows aum bhoor bhoova swaha dheemahi dhiyo yon prachodayat bhargo devsya tatsavitur varanyam would that be correct even if you chant it with most, utmost, conscious devotion - that is what i am trying to ask. Please clarify. Thanks. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote: > > Sudhakarji, its not the action thats important, but the feeling its Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: > I agree fully that feelings are important than doing mechanical > act but here what i am trying to say is about the sequence. Sudhakarji, let me tell you a story. A Christian priest visited a small island, where it was said 3 powerful Saints lived. The saints had never talked to a normal priest or read the bible, yet they were spiritual. The priest decided to convert them. He found they had only 1 prayer " We are 3, you are 3! " . He was surprised at their childish prayer, & taught them a proper prayer. Very satisfied with himself, he left on his boat. When he was halfway, he saw 3 men running on the waves towards him " What was the prayer again? " they asked. The priest said " Oh actually, your prayer is better, stick to that! " Another story. A man went to a Master, & asked " What is Zen, God, Spirit? " The Master was cleaning the floor, he said " This is Zen " . The man didnt understand, & asked again.The Master said " This is Zen " . The man got angry & asked " But what? " . The Master said " I am Zen. everything I do is Zen. What are you looking for? " If you are aware, you can sing anything, & that will become a prayer, mantra. But since you are not, you have to follow the rules . But the rules are there because you are not yet ready to live free. Thats why it is said the biggest enemy of the Yogi/Sadhu is the priest. One who tries to follow his natural awareness, the other who wants him to follow his rules. love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Dear Shantanuji, Namaste! Thanks for the lucid explanation. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote: > Sudhakarji, let me tell you a story. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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