Kundalni Shakti & Chit Shakti

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Namste,

 

In response to requests, I will post a little about Kundalni shakti.

 

Most people & books explain Kundalni as some sort of weird

psychic/sexual energy that can be harnessed & controlled in the same

way as electricity or wind. They dont realise the true nature of

Kundalni as the power of conciousness, which cannot be controlled by

us, as it is " us " , the one trying to control.

 

Shiva is the Unmanifest absolute state, beyond time, space & cause.He

is not only unknown, but unknowable. For unknown reasons, a part of

the vast, unknowable Shiv temporairily separates from him. It is a not

a separation in our sense, as this Shakti still identifies with Shiv.

This shakti is called Adi-shakti, or the primal force.

 

Everything in the manifest world, from rocks to Gods are created by

this shakti. She doesnt create as we create, rather she expands in her

own conciousness. This Adi shakti has 2 main forms: Chit shakti & Maya

Shakti.

 

Chit(Conciousness) Shakti identifies with the Unmanifest Shiva, while

Maya Shakti identifies with the manifest world. These 2 shaktis are

related, & can never be completely separated. So even a stone has some

conciousness, while even the higest Gods like Brahma-Vishnu-Rudra

have some Maya(although from our point of view, these higher Gods are

free of Maya, yet from the point of view of the Unmanifest, they are

not). As long as anyone wants to play in the manifest world, they have

to accept Adi Shaktis rules- this includes the Gods, Rishis, Siddhas,

except in their case they are free to leave the game anytime they

want, while we are not.

 

This force exists in our body as well. Since most people identify with

their petty body/mind, the force of Maya is stronger, & is called

Ahankar(ego). When this force starts to awaken & identify with Adi

Shakti(who is always one with Shiv), the same force is called Kundalni

Shakti or Chit Shakti.

 

Some people shout " Everything is Maya! Run Away from the world! " . They

are insulting Adi Shakti, as Maya is their own Shakti. Ma Shakti gives

us what we want- if we want to identify with the limited world, she

appears as Maya Shakti, & if we want to identify with the Universal

Shiva, she appears as Kundalni. But in every case she gives us what we

want- as only a mother can. Yet we attack her!

 

Kundalni Shakti is best represented by the Goddess Kali. Kali is a

mysterious Goddess, & her form is full of iconograhpy(which Ive

written in earlier posts). For the time being, I'll wrote about her

tongue, which is hanging out & red with blood.

 

This has been interprested in many ways, including that Kali wants a

blood sacrifice, for which many people are happy to murder helpless

dumb animals, & sometimes humans too. Yet as the Vedas say, " The Gods

hate that which is obvious, & love the mysterious " .

 

Kali wants blood, but it is our blood. Our Ahankaar or ego identifies

strongly with the body. The strongest link to our body is our Pran, &

the physical counterpart(or closest to it) is blood. Kali wants our

blood, so she can drink it, purify it, & return it to us. In a way she

does want blood & sacrifice- our own. She wants us to die in the

physical world, so we can be born in the spiritual. The chopped head

in her hand represents the ego, violently severed from the body. Yet

since most people love their ego(no matter what they claim), they see

Kali as a fearful Goddess, & not the loving Mother she is.

 

Kali is the eternal beauty of God, the beauty we would to kill ourself

for. She is the power of our Conciousness- Chit Shakti.

 

with love

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

Dear Shantanuji,

 

Namaste!

 

Every paragraph is brimming with immense knowledge, thanks.

 

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Namste,

>

> In response to requests, I will post a little about Kundalni shakti.

>

> Most people & books explain Kundalni as some sort of weird

> psychic/sexual energy that can be harnessed & controlled in the

[Guest guest]

Dear Shantnuji,

 

Great and fantastic exposition on Kundalini, it not only elicit the

vedic/upanishadic insights in a scintillating manner but also does

not contradict any insights of Ancient Indian Thought. Thanks.

Congratulations. May God bless you! Keep on producing such creative

thoughts here please!

 

With love and regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> Shiva is the Unmanifest absolute state, beyond time, space &

cause.He

> is not only unknown, but unknowable. For unknown reasons, a part of

> the vast, unknowable Shiv temporairily separates from him. It is a

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> Namste,

>

> In response to requests, I will post a little about Kundalni

shakti.

>

> Most people & books explain Kundalni as some sort of weird

> psychic/sexual energy that can be harnessed & controlled in the

same

> way as electricity or wind. They dont realise the true nature of

 

Be blessed... this is a spiritual poetry in text. Write something

more.

 

also tell The boundaries of chita shakti and of kundalini...(means

upto which spiritual level they work...like does vishnu have chit or

kundalini?

 

blessings

 

Aum

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

 

 

this looks like deep philosophy as most of it passed over my head

(lolz). I will have to read 5/6 times to understand it.

 

Will you tell out of chit and kundalini shakti which one is greater?

also why do we worship kundalini shakti and no one cares for chit

shakti?

 

ansuya

[Guest guest]

Hari Om!

 

A wonderful explanation of kundalini I have ever had. I request for a

little more explanation on Maya. What is the purpose of Adi Sakthi

showing herself as Maya? Does Maya mean a delusion that you are

finite, whereas the actual self is infinite? Why should Shakti lull

them into that sense of disbelief? Is it through this delusion of

finitism or ahankar that she enacts the purpose of creation- the

drama of love, hate; attachment and feuds?

 

What should we do to come out of the clutches of Maya? Mere

intellectual understanding of the infinite nature of the Self will

not help in liberating the self. Will it? Awareness of the kundalini

and raising it to the Agna where the Sakthi, as you said, merges with

the unmanifest Siva,through sadhana alone will open the door to the

infinite gnana.

 

One more question. You have said Siva is the unmanifest being and out

of His loving kindness, a part of Him descends into the universe in

the form Adi Sakthi, which in turn manifests itself into two forms

like Kundalini and Maya. My question is why is that even the

kundalini sakti remains unmanifest and much of the science is not

able to prove its existence through empirical means, whereas the

sakti which is known as Maya manifest itself in various proven forms

like kaamasakti and various other rupas as described in the Devi

Mahatmayam.

 

Again my sincere thanks for the elucidation of Kundalini. It gives a

lot of impetus for the beginners among sadhaks like me, to be on the

right track with right understanding.

 

Hari Om tat sat.

 

ulaganathan p

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> Namste,

>

> In response to requests, I will post a little about Kundalni shakti.

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAMA

 

 

> > Everything in the manifest world, from rocks to Gods are created by

> this shakti. She doesnt create as we create, rather she expands in

her

> own conciousness. This Adi shakti has 2 main forms: Chit shakti &

Maya

> Shakti.

 

 

 

Sir Ji , first of all i am really very much thankfull to you for the

posting .

 

 

now my quiries

 

1. You mean Maan Kundalini is the part (ANS) of Maan Maha Kaali only

 

or Maan Kundalini has more role ,......

 

2. what is the role of the Parvati Maan , Durga Maan . where would

you place .

 

3. you have written that Maan Kaali is Chit Shakti ( means Adi Shakti

BECAUSE Maan Chit Shakti and maya Shakti are inseperable to each

other) than what about Maan Maha Lakshmi and Maan Maha Saraswati .

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

> Will you tell out of chit and kundalini shakti which one is greater?

> also why do we worship kundalini shakti and no one cares for chit

> shakti?

 

Anusuyaji, Kundalni Shakti is Chit Shakti- there is no difference

between them.

 

When it is said that Kundalni stays in Muladhar, it doesnt mean

literally there is a snake sleeping there(though Hatha Yogis do say

there is some energy source there, but their descriptions dont agree

with each other).

 

Muladhar(the lowest chakra) represents the Earth element or gross

physical world. The fact our Kundalni is in Muladhar means we can only

interact with the gross physical world. This is because Chit Shakti,

our power of awareness, is stuck in the gross world. To raise the

Kundalni is to raise the conciousness to higher planes of existence- &

not just a technical matter of putting some Bandhas & doing some pranayam.

 

Another way of putting is that the Power of God, Adi Shakti, is

working through our lowest Chakra. To raise the Kundalni is to

surrender to this Shakti, so she can start working through our higher

chakras. As such the Kundalni doesnt go anywhere, it is we, through

our surrender, who raise our conciousness.

 

Nobody cares for Chit shakti, as they dont realise the true nature of

the Goddess, they only see her lower forms, which give them Siddhis,

powers etc.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

> 1. You mean Maan Kundalini is the part (ANS) of Maan Maha Kaali only

>

> or Maan Kundalini has more role ,......

 

Jitendarji, all Devis are form of the original Adi-Shakti - there is

no difference between them.

 

> 2. what is the role of the Parvati Maan , Durga Maan . where would

> you place .

 

The same Shakti in her different roles becomes one of these- as the

loving Mother/wife, she is Parvati. As the fierce protector, she is

Durga. As the creator & destroyer of Time & Space she is Kali. And so

on for all other Goddesses as well.

 

> 3. you have written that Maan Kaali is Chit Shakti ( means Adi Shakti

> BECAUSE Maan Chit Shakti and maya Shakti are inseperable to each

> other) than what about Maan Maha Lakshmi and Maan Maha Saraswati .

 

There is no difference between them. But Kali, in her fierce form, is

a closer representation of Kundalni.

 

These forms of the Goddess are not her true form, which is one of pure

awareness-bliss. Maybe I will write on this more later.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

> also tell The boundaries of chita shakti and of kundalini...(means

> upto which spiritual level they work...like does vishnu have chit or

> kundalini?

 

Aumji, for higher Gods, its a bit more subtle.

 

As long as Vishnu identifies himself as Vishnu, he is under Maya. If

he identifies with the Absoulte, he is not.

 

Vishnu is shown as sleeping under a snakes head, which shows he has

full control over his Kundalni shakti. But Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh also

die at Maha-pralaya, which occurs in timescales impossibly large for

us to even imagine, which means they are not complete.

 

I think anybody that has a name & form is under control of some Maya,

even if it is very subtle. But in Ishwars case, or in the case of

Rishis & Siddhas, they voluntarily accept this subtle binding to help

souls get freedom.

 

I dont believe in the later Puranic theory of Brahma as creator,

Vishnu as preserver, Rudra as destroyer(although it is good for

normal people). In Vedic times these 3 jobs were done by the same

person, called variously Prajapati or Ishwar. Ishwar is the proper

name as per Yoga. Later on this 1 God was divided into 3, & then

further divided into millions.

 

The job of Ishwar is not to run or create the world, but to help souls

get Moskha. If you look at any Avtaar of God, that was their main

focus, killing demons etc has always been secondary. As the Yoga

Sutras say " Ishwar is Om. He is the Guru of Gurus " .

 

So coming back to the original question, the Unmanifest Shiv, decides

to relfect himself in his own Shakti as Ishwar or God. Since this is a

reflection of him, it can never be complete. Yet, going through Ishwar

is the only way to reach the final state.

 

with love

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

>

 

>

> As long as Vishnu identifies himself as Vishnu, he is under Maya.

 

Thanks... so in such it is still called Maya or this subtle maya has

some other names subtler than Maya ?

 

Yes Tantra also confirms that that there is Only one Ishwar Tattwa..

Tantra never mentions brahma, vishnu mahesh etc.

 

love always

 

Aum

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, " Ulaganathan P " <apunathan

> little more explanation on Maya. What is the purpose of Adi Sakthi

> showing herself as Maya? Does Maya mean a delusion that you are

 

Ulaganathanji, Maya as illusion is a later invention. In original

Vedic times, Maya was used as creative power or magic of God. Maya is

the creative power that makes one appear as many, but this is not an

illusion.

 

>

> What should we do to come out of the clutches of Maya? Mere

The easiest way is to ask shakti herself to guide you. But if go

running to the jungles saying all is Maya, dont expect too much help!

 

 

> like Kundalini and Maya. My question is why is that even the

> kundalini sakti remains unmanifest and much of the science is not

> able to prove its existence through empirical means, whereas the

 

Science will never prove Kundalni- for one science is objective- it

says " This is me, that is the world, I can study the world as separate

from me " . Yoga says the exact opposite- it says " I am that which I

worship/study " .

 

Mind you Quantum Mechanics(QM) physics has proven normal " objectivity "

of science wrong, as it has shown that the person conducting the

experiment affects the results. So far however, scientists have not

changed their viewpoint- avoiding QM altogther, or hiding behind

complex maths.

 

There is a reason the Goddess is sometimes called a Virgin( & not just

in India- look at Virgin Mary). The Goddess cannot be enjoyed or

grasped as an object- we can only become the Goddess. Trying to study

Shakti objectively, we can only study her lower forms like

electricity, or the subtle forms of these energies, which is how

Siddhi masters show their " miracles " . But the highest Shakti can only

be worshipped by becoming her. " Only a God can worship the Gods " says

the Tantra.

 

This is the esoteric meaning of Mary being a virgin even though she

gave birth to Christ- Shakti exists before the manifest world, when

there is no " you " & " I " - as such she herself is both the Father & mother.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM

 

>The same Shakti in her different roles becomes one of these- as the

 

THANKS SIR JI

 

i agree that God is everything and God is one

 

also God reflects himself in various forms , names , etc.......

 

 

but we should understand the God in His forms too exactly how is He

or How the God is in sagun form

 

Hence i think we should concentrate on the forms of Mother Adi Shakti

in a way which could satisfy the domain of our knowing (whatever we

know , we see,......)

 

i think we should believe in Lord Brahma , Lord Vishnu and Lord

Mahesh

 

because

 

we can not deny that we get birth with the grace of Lord Brahmha ,

and we live here on the mercy of Lord Vishnu and we die with the grace

of the Lord Rudra

..

 

we can not deny that we have origin , middle and end whatever it is if

it is physical body or somethingelse ,.......

 

we can not deny the fact that we are living under three Gunas ,

 

Hence it is my request to you Sir Ji , we should first believe and we

should know the God in his saguna form also . though it is our choice

to believe , but i am following the path where i have to pass from

SAGUNA form the Lord .

 

Hence it is my request to all of you that please share the knowledge

of the God of the Saguna form ALSO becaue i know all of you are the

master of the Hinduism and Hence Sagun form of the God also .

because i think Saguna FOrm of the God is best described by Hindu

religion , that is why it is also called the religion of many God's

and Goddessess

thanks

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,

HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

Yes Sir, Shantnuji, you are absolutely right when you say the maya in

the original Vedas is different from the later brands! What is more,

the very crux of the truth is as you have put it : to know Brahman is

to be Brahman / brahmavid brahmaiva bhavati / there is no way of

knowing. Science that uses other methods - cognitive/so called

rational - can not comprehend the truth as it is and in wholesome

way. Yet is is superbly experiential. Patanjali is a scientist, he

teaches us to experience/be God. That is self-experimentation/self

experiencing. Methods used to study Matter can not be applied to

study Spirit. Even in the study of Matter, matter-scientist methods

failed as you have hinted quoting QM. British Physicist, Sir Arthur

Eddington, has said in the very early 20th Century itself : " Matter

is mostly ghostly empty space " . " To be more precise " , as another

Physicist, Peter Russell, says " it is 99.9999999 percent empty

space " . Hans-Peter Durr, another great modern Physicist goes a step

further to say " Matter is not made of matter " ! Yes indeed.

Everything that exist consist of both matter ( apara ) and spirit (

para ),the latter being much, much more in 'substance' and power that

the former. If you we want to know the reality as it is and in full,

we must get into both and not just to become but to be. No Sir?

 

Love to you and Ulaganathan who made you bring out from you!

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> Ulaganathanji, Maya as illusion is a later invention. In original

[Guest guest]

, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> i agree that God is everything and God is one

 

Yes Jitendarji, there has been a large debate if Nirguna(quality-less)

or Saguna(with qualities) form of God is higher.... Gopiraj Kaviraj, a

great Tantric Yogi said that most people who argue like this are stuck

in duality- like is male better then female, light better than dark,

Ida Nadi better than Pingala etc.

 

Like all Yogis, we have to go beyond all dualities, & that includes

Nirguna/Saguna forms of God. We have to get Siddhi of both these forms

of God to get complete Moksha.

 

with love

Shantnu

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HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

Yes Jitendarji, there has been a large debate if Nirguna(quality-less)

> or Saguna(with qualities) form of God is higher.... Gopiraj Kaviraj,

 

 

Thnaks Sir Ji for response

 

Sir ji

my question was not to debate which form of the God is heigher Saguna

or Nirguna

 

 

i know Nirguna form is at heigher altitute than Saguna form , if i am

climbing on the path of spiritualism , my concern was that i am

passing on a path which has a station of Saguna form of the God to

reach to Nirguna form . there is bypass path which leaves Saguna form

of the God and directly reaches to nirguna form .

 

i want to know the God in Sagun form also exacly How He is .

 

 

Lord Krishna or Lord Shiva

 

Brahmha , Vishnu , Mahesh

................ ........... ............

 

.................. .................. ..............

 

 

........................... .................. .Bhairav Nath ........

 

 

 

 

 

Maan Adi Shakti

 

Maan Maha Saraswati Maan Maha Lakshmi Maan Maha Kali

....................... ............... .............

 

 

Maan Kali or Maan Parvati

 

where do you place Maan Kundalini

 

that is what i request to all please share

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja

wrote:

want to know the God in Sagun form also exacly How He is .

>

>

> Lord Krishna or Lord Shiva

>

> Brahmha , Vishnu , Mahesh

> >

>

> Maan Adi Shakti

>

> Maan Maha Saraswati Maan Maha Lakshmi Maan Maha Kali

> ....................... ............... .............

>

>

> Maan Kali or Maan Parvati

>

> where do you place Maan Kundalini

>

 

 

Dear Jitinder, I tyhink Shantnu wrote in his first post about it.

Saguna form depends upon our faith and if we worship him as vishnu

he will give darshan as vishnu , durga shiva etc...

 

It is always Kundalini who takes form of our deity and gives darshan;

 

Aum

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

Yes kundalini shakti is very important. But Will someone tell me why

Shri Krishna never mentioned Kundalini yoga in Geeta.

 

Krishna told about Bhakti, gyana, karma and yoga but never mentioned

anything about Kundalini in Geeta WHY??

 

ansuya

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

> Dear Jitinder, I tyhink Shantnu wrote in his first post about it.

> Saguna form depends upon our faith and if we worship him as vishnu

> It is always Kundalini who takes form of our deity and gives darshan;

>

Sir Ji

 

perhaps i am not able to convey my message . ok

 

perhaps it will take some time for me

 

 

but still once again i try

 

my meaning is that if i am the owner of the automobile plant and i

am running that plant where i am making cars, trucks ,

buses ,..........than what are the things which are needed to run the

plant . to whom i would appoint for proper functioning of the plant .

 

in the same way firstly i want to understand at lower level that How

the God runs this universe and how many God's Goddess ( forms of

God ) are working

 

eg Lord Bramha runs the Brahma Lok , ...... what He does to run this

universe . you mean He creates the world than what is needed for

creation ,....................does Lord Brahma creates the world in

the begining only or He works continously or He is creating the world

at every moment .................

 

i want to fit all the God's and Godessess of Hindu religion according

to their functions , locations , ...... and so many things and what

are our responsibilities for them .

 

there are so many people who do not know How Sun God is important to

Us . everybody things that it is the job of Sun to rise early in the

morning and He looks like some heat source is radiating heat and gives

energy to the world in the form of light .and the Sun is radiating

freely because it is His job hence scientists called it as free

energy ........... but my concern is that people should know that

really what is the Sun and people should realize that what is our

responsibility for the Sun ,.......................... .

 

Sun is also a Hindu God . western peoPle generally make joke o fire is

God , Cow is God . how stupid

 

DO NOT YOU THINK SO THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO BALANCE THE WORLD (THROUGH

AWARENESS ) FROM ENERGY POINT OF VIEW FOR PEACEFULL LIFE .FOR THAT WE

SHOULD KNOW FIRST AND SHOULD HAVE CLEAR CUT TRUTH VISION ABOUT THE

FORM/FORMS OF GOD /GODDESS IN SAGUN FORM .

 

I AM SORRY IF I AM NOT ABLE TO CONVEY MAY BE IT WILL TAKE TIME FOR

ME . MY EXPRESSIONS ARE NOT CLEAR .............

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM , HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

 

> Yes kundalini shakti is very important. But Will someone tell me

>why Shri Krishna never mentioned Kundalini yoga in Geeta.

 

Anusuyaji, Krishna was pressed for time as the war was about to start,

so he spoke the bare minimum. His goal was to summarise the teachings

of Vedas, Upanishads & related texts, not give practical instructions

on how to realise the truths of these books, for which a Guru is needed.

 

Krishna gave few or any practical techniques- things like concentrate

on tip of nose etc. But his key message was to live the Vedic/Vedantic

life.

 

Another reason was, if the Gita had been made too technical, it would

have lost its general nature which makes it suitable for a wide

variety of students at different levels. Some time ago there was a man

showing how the Gita could be used as a management handbook.

A technical book with lots of descriptions would have hardly intersted

anyone(like the Serpent Power by Arthur Avalon is the best book on

Kundalni Yoga, yet few have read it as it is very difficult. It is

based on Shat-Chakra-Nirupini, another rare but excellent text which

is again very dense).

 

The Gita is a very popular book, as it can be picked up with someone

with no knowledge of Hinduism/Yoga, even no interest in it, & still

learn something for it. It can also be read by someone who has been

meditating for years, & still learn something new from it. This is due

to the Gitas nature as a general text on spirituality, not a manual on

Yoga.

 

Another factor is, the Gita ia not a book by itself- it is a part of

the Vedic teachings & cannot be understood apart from it. To really

understand the Gita, one must also know the depth of Vedic teachings

as well, which include all the meditation techniques, including

Kundalni Yoga.

 

Since it is a part of Vedas, it had to cater to all Vedic philosphies.

The school of Yoga(which include Raj, Hatha & Kundalni Yoga) is just 1

of these schools. There are others like Sankhya, Uttam Mimasa(which

may use some Yoga, but are not defind by it) & Purva Mimasa, which was

only concerned with rituals, not Yoga.

 

Finally, & mpst importantly, the ancient Indian teaching methods was

to say as much as you can in fewest words. Hence Shlokas, &

Sutras(which is a short, ungrammatical verse). Adding uneccesary

details to make it more " commercial " was not their method. If

something can be said in 10 words, say it in 3.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

The First Shloka of Fifteenth Chapter of SRIMAD BHAGVAT GITA.

 

Urdhvamulah Adhah Shakhah........(the upside down tree)

 

Its refering to the Kundalini.

 

Regards,

Anupam

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

> Anusuyaji, Krishna was pressed for time as the war was about to

[Guest guest]

does it mean that kundalini is Shakti and Soul is Shiva? & nbsp;

 

--- On Fri, 30/5/08, aumji & lt;no_reply & gt; wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

& nbsp;

 

& nbsp;

& gt;

& gt; & nbsp;

 

It is always Kundalini who takes form of our deity and gives darshan;

 

Aum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, " Anupam " <anupamshil wrote:

>

> The First Shloka of Fifteenth Chapter of SRIMAD BHAGVAT GITA.

>

> Urdhvamulah Adhah Shakhah........(the upside down tree)

>

> Its refering to the Kundalini.

>

> Regards,

> Anupam

 

 

Dear Anupam will you please elaborate it further, so that all

understand this properly as to how the upside down tree is compared

with kundalini.

[Guest guest]

, so hum <jigyaasuu wrote:

>

> does it mean that kundalini is Shakti and Soul is Shiva? & nbsp;

 

Dear sohum,

 

I am so happy to see you back in Sadhna.

 

Yes in general terms we can say Kundalini is unmanifested Adi-shakti

and SOUL (not individual soul)represents shiva.

 

But deeper Tantric philosophies deny even that universal

consciousness who we refer as shiva is also shakti. It is shakti

which first awakens /becomes conscious as shiva....

 

because where ever there is name and form, it is shakti.

 

Turiya Tattwa, as tantra explains is beyond consciousness, bliss

etc... and is not defineable. as per 36 tattwas of tantra the Turiya

or Brahmm differentiates as

Turiya => ParamShiva=>Sadashiva+shakti=> Ishwar tattwa + Vidya

Tattawa=> Maya, avidya and all other Tattwas.

 

When shakti awakens first in Turiya, it sees himself as

Paramshiva, shakti beings its own part...but the consciousness of

paramshiva is of Adi-shakti.

 

I dont know if i explained or confused you further...LOL

 

 

Love always

 

Aum