Hathha yoga ?

[Guest guest]

Dear sudhakar & shan,

 

Is Raj Yoga a part of Hathha yoga or it is altogether differnt

school of thought ?

 

i keep hearing contradicting versions... hope you will clarify

 

aum

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

Hello Aumji,

 

Namaste!

 

Hatha Yoga is the most practical of Yogas, with its emphasis on

promoting vibrant health and tapping the organism's latent energies.

It has, too, an integrating and calming influence on the mind. But

the direct work of mastering consciousness and stilling thoughts so

as to become aware of the Ground of Being belongs to Raja or

Royal Yoga. Raja Yoga is considered royal because the Yogin who

practises this yoga thereby becomes ruler over his mind.

 

Raja yoga includes hatha yoga within its system.

 

Hatha yoga works upon the body, purifying and perfecting it and

through the body upon the mind. Raja yoga works upon the mind,

refining and perfecting it, and through the mind upon the body.

 

...from the complete yoga book by James Hewitt

 

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Raja Yoga or Integral Yoga required the practice of all eight

branches. A yogi who calls himself a Raja Yogi without the

practice of the hatha yoga asanas, kriyas, mudras, the pranayam,

and bandhas is not a Raja Yogi. A hatha yogi doing asanas and

pranayamas, except as a firm base for the practice of the

Antaranga, is only doing physical exercise. Raja Yoga is

Intergral Yoga, integrating all aspect of philosophy and practice.

 

...from Yoga Samyama by Dr. Swami Gitananda

 

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Swami Vivekananda the great Raja Yogi aptly put it by saying:-

 

FOOTBALL TAKES YOU CLOSER TO GOD THAN BHAGWAD GITA.

 

Here it means one should take care of physical aspect of the

body seriously just as you take mental aspect. The BALANCE is

required.

 

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Following is a quote from May issue of the magazine

SPIRITUAL LINK - Science of the Soul Research Centre.

 

 

THE SECRET LIES IN PRACTICE,

NOT IN INTELLECTUAL DELIBERATION.

LEAVE YOUR INTELLECT ALONE;

DO YOUR PRACTICE AND ATTAIN THE " essence " .

 

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With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Dear sudhakar & shan,

>

> Is Raj Yoga a part of Hathha yoga or it is altogether differnt

> school of thought ?

>

> i keep hearing contradicting versions... hope you will clarify

>

> aum

>

[Guest guest]

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

> Dear sudhakar & shan,

>

> Is Raj Yoga a part of Hathha yoga or it is altogether differnt

> school of thought ?

>

 

 

Dearest Aum

 

I am happy to answer this... even though I wasn't named! :-)

 

Hatha yoga is a form of raja yoga & not the other way around. The

emphasis in hatha yoga are the asanas & pranayamas & together with

the other 6 steps or limbs, they form the 8 limbs of raja yoga. The

full 8 limbs are the yamas, niyamas, asanas, pranayamas, pratyahara,

dharana, dhyana & samadhi.... & Im sure you know all about those...

 

With much love

 

Farah

[Guest guest]

And also, Raja Yoga is suitable mostly to Rajasic, Hatha Yoga for

Tamasic and Bhakti Yoga for Satwic and the ultimate goal is to

transcend all the three gunas/qualities - nistraigunya, gunatita -the

qualities of Goodness/satwa, Passion/rajas and Lethargy and

Ignorance/tamas - no, Sirs and madams ( Sudhakar, Shantu, Anupama

Farah and others )?

 

Regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

 

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

> , aumji <no_reply@> wrote:

>

> Hello Aumji,

>

[Guest guest]

Namste Aumji & others,

 

There are many misconceptions about this. Hatha Yoga is not a form of

Raja Yoga, neither is Raja Yoga a form of Hatha Yoga. Simply put, they

are 2 equivalent techniques of reaching the same state.

 

Many people, including Sadhkas, have a very snobby view of Hatha Yoga

as a body obsessed excercise. Such Hatha yoga isnt for them, they

claim, since they are superior mental beings & can directly work on

the mind. Such intellectual arrogance is based on poor understanding

on both Raj and Hatha Yoga.

 

Hatha Yoga is mainly based on controlling the Pran- the body is a

vehicle of Pran, which is why it must be in perfect condition, but

Hatha Yoga doesnt glorify the body as such.

 

While Hatha Yoga Pradipika(the main text) does say Hatha Yoga leads to

Raj Yoga, in this context Raja Yoga is equivalent to Samadhi in

Patanjalis Raj Yoga system.

 

As I wrote earlier, there is a bird with 2 wings - mind & Pran. It

needs both to fly. Raja Yoga tries to cut the mind wing, while Hatha

Yoga cuts the Pran wing. The result is the same- the bird cannot fly.

The final result is going beyond the mind. As such Raja Yoga is not

" superior " to Hatha Yoga in any way. In fact, the Upanishads say the

Pran is the highest among along Devas, & closest to Purusha, so

controlling the Pran is the fastest way to Purusha.

 

Hatha Yoga maybe more suited to modern people, as it isnt as strict as

Raj Yoga. For example, in Hatha Yog the Yama Niyams arent that

important- they are only necessary for advanced student, while Raj

Yoga insists they must be done before anything else.

 

Hatha Yoga is a part of Tantra, & hence lays more stress on raising

the Kundalni. As such, disturbances of the mind are not so important-

as long as one does the Kriyas with discipline, it doesnt matter if

ones mind is always distracted, as the power of Pran moving up the

spine will automatically calm the mind. This is useful, as people of

Kaliyug find it hard to control the mind, & this is the reason most

people cant meditate long. Once the Kundalni rises, all disturbances

of mind are automatically calmed.

 

Hatha Yoga doesnt try to force the body into postures, another myth.

Since it is a part of Tantra, the focus is to surrender to the inner

Pranic Shakti, & let her do all the work.

 

As my teacher often says- People try so hard to calm the mind, when

all they need to do is go into a forward bend for 2 minutes! The

strong flow of Pran into the head automatically calms the mind, as

well as opens any blocked channels.

 

These 2 paths are complimentary, in practice people use a combination

of both, depending on their personal Karmic makeup.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Thanks for discussion on the important aspect. Some questions

 

From Msthimappa - Do you wish to say Hathh yoga is for Tamsic

people ? and Bhakti for Sattwic ? I respectfully disagree.. kindly

further clarify on this

 

Shanracer : I am the one among those who think Hathyoga is not

important.. Do you wish to say that without practicing Hathh yoga,

one can not proceed on the path of Moksha ?? There are many

examples where hatth yoga was not at all done and people attained

moksha or progressed. (examples paramhansa, vivekananada... and many

others).

 

Rather i have never heard a person attaining moksha only with hathh

yoga.. it may lead to a healthy life and smooth flow of prana...

but it alone can not lead to moksha.

 

I amy be wrong... pls write something more.

 

 

aum

[Guest guest]

Dear revered Aumji,

 

Thanks for responding. I feel the element of all the three yoga is

needed for all, irrespective of different types of body-mind complex

they possess but in different proportion. May be, Tamasic people need

more of Hatha yoga to start with but eventually incorporate other

too, even reducing the Hatha part of it at that time. These things

are best regulated when a guru is handling the disciple on this.

 

This only a clarification on what I meant by in my earlier mail and

not necessarily the correct one!

 

Regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

 

 

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

> Thanks for discussion on the important aspect. Some questions

>

> From Msthimappa - Do you wish to say Hathh yoga is for Tamsic

> people ? and Bhakti for Sattwic ? I respectfully disagree.. kindly

> further clarify on this

[Guest guest]

, " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams

wrote:

>

 

Is Laya Yoga same as Raja Yoga. Grateful if someone can explain both

and their aim

 

ansuya

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, " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams

wrote:

>

I feel the element of all the three yoga is

> needed for all, irrespective of different types of body-mind complex

 

 

Thanks Thimmappa ji... this is what i wished to hear from you. We

have to find a combination of different yogas to attain moksha..

single path/yoga can take us a little farther but not to the ultimate

goal.

 

Will you tell what is Moksha as per your understanding. .... some

people take moksha as getting out of lives/deaths/births... but i m

sure this is not the final aim

 

love always

 

Aum

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Aumji,

 

Namaste!

 

Your comments to Shantanuji that hatha yoga is not important and

you gave example of paramahansa and Vivekananda. These two and many

others had real burning desired but " Aam Aadmi " while he can sit for

3 hours watching hindi movie cannot sit for 3 minutes in

meditation because there is no desire and since majority in this

Kali Yuga have inherited weak body with everything weak they would

really benefit from hath yoga, so that they can afford to sit for 3

hours

at a stretch in meditation. (By the way majority after retirement

take upto meditation and find great difficulty in sitting down or

even on a chair)

The ancient yoga text says that an asana becomes Siddha if it is held

for 3 hours at a stretch refers to sitting meditative postures so

minimum time required to be given for attempting to attain moksha is

3 hours and see around yourself how many can sit without changing leg

position and hand position.

Ofcourse ultimately it is the mind but in the beginning stage we need

a prop and that prop is good health for which hath yoga goes a long

way in bestowing it.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

> Thanks for discussion on the important aspect. Some questions

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Aumji for putting it in even more simple terms.

 

Both the types of Moksha/Liberation is talked off : Mukta and

Jeevanmukta, Liberation after life and Liberation during life itself.

Janaka Maharaja - that sage king - is a classic case of Jeevanmukta,

liberated in his life time, being always established in real Self

with embodiment of peace, awareness, love and joy, ruled the kingdom.

Some take birth to wipe off the remnant of the karma/deeds from the

past life and get liberated immediately after this life ( example:

that great sage Ramana? ). Many go through several lives to unburden

their past karmas before attaining liberation.

 

I fully agree with you that there is nothing like attaining

liberation/accessing Self or established in Source right here and

lead the rich and glorious life with it; it of course requires

conscious effort, preparedness and Grace of the Lord - the latter

being assured when the former is ensured!

 

With love and regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

> I feel the element of all the three yoga is

> > needed for all, irrespective of different types of body-mind

complex

>

>

> Thanks Thimmappa ji... this is what i wished to hear from you. We

> have to find a combination of different yogas to attain moksha..

> single path/yoga can take us a little farther but not to the

ultimate

> goal.

>

> Will you tell what is Moksha as per your understanding. ....

some

> people take moksha as getting out of lives/deaths/births... but i m

> sure this is not the final aim

>

> love always

>

> Aum

>

[Guest guest]

, " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams

wrote:

 

Dear Thimmappaji,

 

Namaste!

 

I agree that ultimately we have to transcend all the 3 gunas but

that does not mean to label Rajayoga is suitable to mostly Rajasic,

Hatha Yoga for Tamasic and Bhakti Yoga for Satwic. Is this your

own conclusion or you are quoting from any scriptures please

clarify?

 

Thanks

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

> And also, Raja Yoga is suitable mostly to Rajasic, Hatha Yoga for

[Guest guest]

> Shanracer : I am the one among those who think Hathyoga is not

> important.. Do you wish to say that without practicing Hathh yoga,

> one can not proceed on the path of Moksha ?? There are many

> examples where hatth yoga was not at all done and people attained

> moksha or progressed. (examples paramhansa, vivekananada... and many

> others).

 

Aumji, I never said that without Hatha Yoga one cannot reach Moksha. I

just said Hatha Yoga was one of the ways of reaching it.

 

> Rather i have never heard a person attaining moksha only with hathh

> yoga.. it may lead to a healthy life and smooth flow of prana...

> but it alone can not lead to moksha.

 

And I have never heard of anyone reaching Moksha with only Bhakti,

Gyan or Karma Yoga either. But that doesnt mean they are useless? Sri

Aurobindo( & several others like Swami Shivanand) have advised

following an integral path, where one follows all the Yogas in the

correct balance. To reject Hatha Yoga is to reject this integral

approach.

 

> I amy be wrong... pls write something more.

 

Hatha Yoga was created by Gorakh Nath, who took the original

denegrated Tantra & removed all the ritual parts of it. He kept all

the purely Yogic parts, & created Hatha Yoga.

 

These Yogis found there are 2 forces in the body- Ha or strong, male,

outward going energies, which represent Pran & Pingala Nadi, & Tha,

soft, feminine, inward goind energies tha represent the mind & Ida

Nadi. These energies are always imbalanced, not only throughout the

life but day to day & hour to hour basis as well.

 

When mental energy or Tha energy becomes too strong, people get

psychological problems, insanity, as their mind becomes overactive

with no Pranic energy to back minds games. When Pranic energy or Ha

energy becomes strong, people become angry, irritated, wars happen,

murders happen. People continously swing between these extremes.

 

The balancing of these 2 energies is Hatha Yoga. The mind & pran fuse

together, & they merge into the Self(our real Self, not the small

ego).

 

In practical terms, this happens when the Kundalni reaches Agya

chakra- as here the Ida Nadi(Tha) & Pingala Nadi(Ha) meet with

Sushmna. This is also the esoteric meaning of the saying that by

bathing at a Triveni(a point where 3 rivers meet) gives one moksha-

here the Triveni is the Agya chakra where the 3 " rivers " of the Nadis

meet.

 

So Hatha Yoga is taking Kundalni to Agya. Yoga is taking Kundalni to

Sahasra. So Hatha Yoga doesnt lead to final Moskha. But then the key

underpinning of Hinduism(which separates it from Buddhism, Jainism

etc) is that the final state can only be reached with Gods grace, not

personal effort. Patanjali says the same thing- by our effort we can

only reach Savikalpa Samadhi, Nirvikalpa Samadhi is only reached by

constant effort, devotion & grace of God.

 

Hatha Yogis found that this raising of Kundalni led to a great surge

of energy in the body, which the body couldnt take, & usually led to

death or insanity. An analogy is trying to put million volts current

in a 1 volt bulb. So they devised several poses to first make the body

strong enough to cope with this energy.

 

In proper Hatha Yoga, only 4-5 asans are needed. But to be able to sit

for hours in these poses, all the others are needed as they remove

blocked energy from the body.

 

So our current state is one of Tamogun. By movement based Asanas, one

changes Tamogun to Rajogun. Then with meditation this Rajogun is

changed to Satogun. If one only does Asans with no meditation(as

happens usually, as most people confuse Hatha Yoga with Asans), then

that is useless, as Rajogun changes back to Tamogun in the long term.

 

Hatha Yoga is a complete system of meditation. It has its own Dhyan &

Dharana. Goraknath recommends Nada Yoga. When the Kundalni rises, she

touches each Chakra, which opens & the Yogi can hear the mantras

associated with that Chakra(for example, in Muladhar the Yogi hears

Lam, Sam, Sham, Vam, Sham). These are the 50 alphabets of the

Sankskrit language, each of which is a beej mantra. The Adi Shakti(1st

force of Shiv) creates the Universe with these mantras. When the

Kundalni rises, she re-absorbs the mantra into herself. This is also

called Laya Yoga, or Yoga of dissolution, as the universe is

reabsorbed into primal Shakti. (Anusuyaji, does this answer your

question?)

 

This continues upto Agya chakra. After that, if the Yogi has grace of

Guru & God(both is needed), he/she hears Om & Kundalni rises upto

Sahasra. Now depending on Karma or Gods wish, it may stay here, or

return if God wants the Yogi to continue working in the world.

 

I hope all this hasnt become too confusing. But I am trying to show

that to think Hatha Yoga is merely to get a smart body & strong Pranic

flow is clearly wrong. Since most people

dont have the discipline to do Hatha Yoga, they dismiss it out of hand

as useless, only for getting beautiful body etc. Till one reaches the

level of Vivekanand or Buddha, where one is not attached to the body

at all, one cannot claim Hatha Yoga is useless.

 

In the end I would like to say:

 

One merges with God:

 

In the body by Asans

In the Pran by Pranayam

In the emotional mind by Bhajans & bhakti

In the mind by mantra & dhyan

 

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

 

> at a stretch in meditation. (By the way majority after retirement

> take upto meditation and find great difficulty in sitting down or

> even on a chair)

 

Thanks Sudhakarji. Once somebody asked Swami Shivanand why Hatha Yoga

was necessary, as we are not the body, but pure Spirit. Shivanand

laughed at them & said " Trying sitting with a straight back for 1/2 an

hour. You will realise in 5 minutes if you are body or Brahm! "

 

Your point about old age is especially true. In our ancient texts, it

is said the correct age of humans is 120, & anyone who dies before

this dies young. Yet how many people live this far, inspite of all the

so called advances in medical science?

 

By not taking care of our body by Asans(which are a Satvic form of

excercise), we are cheating ourself out of valuable years we could

have dedicated to God. If a man dies at 70(which is quiet common), it

means 50 years of his life have been wasted(that is, if he had lived

to 120 years old). How much spiritual progress he could have made in

50 years! This at the end of his life when he was more mature & wise.

 

These are not just stories. A Chinese master(Wang ji Wu), who

regularly practiced Tai Chi & related disciplines(which are sort of

Chinese Yoga), was so strong that even at 90 years old, he could

wrestle 30 year old men & throw them to the ground in 2 minutes. It

was said he never got old- he died young(he was 92 when he died). As

even at 92 years old, his body was as strong as when he was 22. Who

made better use of this God given body- him or the people who get

heart attacks at 40?

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Dear Sudhakarji,

 

Thanks for responding. Please see that my statement ends with the

question mark, I am asking the esteemed expert here that is it true

that there is individual differences in response to yogic practices

and an example of such differences I mentioned each of the three yoga

being more suitable to each of the three types of body-mind complex.

Some researches in NIMHANS and elsewhere have attempted to classify

people on the type of food they take(satwic/tamasic/rajasic foods) as

well as its relationship to temperament and choices of people(Cf.

Jhansi laxmi Bai's PhD thesis on it available in National Institute

of Mental Health and Neuroscience(NIMHANS), Bangalore, as an

example). I just wanted to know from erudite practitioner like you

whether yogic systems could be tailored to individual body-mind

types. I would love to hear your reflection/comments on it.

 

With best regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

 

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

> , " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams@>

> wrote:

>

> Dear Thimmappaji,

>

> Namaste!

>

> I agree that ultimately we have to transcend all the 3 gunas but

> that does not mean to label Rajayoga is suitable to mostly Rajasic,

> Hatha Yoga for Tamasic and Bhakti Yoga for Satwic. Is this your

> own conclusion or you are quoting from any scriptures please

> clarify?

>

> Thanks

>

> With warm wishes,

>

> Sudhakar

> HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

>

>

>

> > And also, Raja Yoga is suitable mostly to Rajasic, Hatha Yoga for

>

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

> , aumji <no_reply@> wrote:

>

Thanks shanracer and sudhakar... my aim was not to contradict but to

bring out more truth from learned people.

 

and i was succesful... thanks

 

 

aum

[Guest guest]

, " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams

wrote:

> their past karmas before attaining liberation.

>

> I fully agree with you that there is nothing like attaining

> liberation/accessing Self or established in Source right here and

> lead the rich and glorious life with it; it of course requires

> conscious effort, preparedness and Grace of the Lord - the latter

 

 

That was great explanation thimappaji. Mostly people take running

away to jungles as Sanyas and getting out of births and deaths as

Moksha.

 

I wished to disucss this to remove this wrong notion. A sanyasi can

be a householder too, struggling with day to day problems and

finding spiritual solutions....also Moksha is not merging into some

unknown void or bliss avoiding the births and deaths.

 

All great yogis, like Aurobindo, Gopinath, woodruff, etc. never took

merging into void as Moksha.

 

Janak's example is best suited here... and shri Krishna's case is

the perfect example of God working through the human bodies.

 

your comments please

 

love

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

Dear Shantanuji,

 

Namaste!

 

I fully agree about " we are cheating ourself of valuable years

we could have dedicated to God. " and " how much spiritual progress

he could have made in 50 years! In fact some of the Indian saints have

expessed their desires to be born again and again just to hear the

name of God.

 

As regards Tai-chi often referred as moving meditation, is energy

conserving exercise. I am therefore not surprised at the

longevity and the strength at the same as quoted by you.

Besides there is another chinese who is reported to have lived a

life span of 256 years. He had documents to prove his date of birth

which showed that he survived 23 wives and was living happily with his

24th wife at the time of passing.

The chinese govt. sent the respected dean of the Chang-Tu University,

professor Wu Chung Chich, to research facts offered by the long-

living Li Chung Yun. In short time professor Wu Chung Chich

corroborated all the centuries-old oriental had said - that he was

indeed, well over 250 years of age. Furthermore, he said that the

secret of living a long and youthful life was in the Tibetan herb,

Fo-ti-Tieng. This long lived Li Chung Yun was a botanist and had

cultivated this herb in particular and drank tea prepared out of it

5 times per day. It is further said that this 256 year young man

stood straight and strong, had his own teeth and a full head of

healthy hair. His death occured when oriental scholars and

botanists came to his herbal garden and dug up the previous

" elixir of life " , depriving him of his source of health. Denied

Fo-ti-Tieng, he succumbed.

------------------------------

Before i give out the indian name of this herb can anyone from

our Saadhanna group guess what is its name?

------------------------------

 

After i hear from rest of the members including you Shantanuji i

will disclose its indian name and how it should be taken.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

ven on a chair)

>

> Thanks Sudhakarji. Once somebody asked Swami Shivanand why Hatha

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

 

> ------------------------------

> Before i give out the indian name of this herb can anyone from

> our Saadhanna group guess what is its name?

> ------------------------------

 

Sudhakarji, is it Soma, the mythical Indian herb used in Golden age

Vedic times?

[Guest guest]

> example). I just wanted to know from erudite practitioner like you

> whether yogic systems could be tailored to individual body-mind

> types. I would love to hear your reflection/comments on it.

 

Yes Thimmappaji, Yoga can be tailored for body/mind types. This is

done with a good knowledge of Ayurveda. But that is a very deep topic.

Maybe I will write later.

 

Regards your comment that Hatha Yoga is for Tamasic people, it maybe

true in some cases. Many people nowdays are very Tamasic- they are

always lying on bed/sofa, watching TV, not excercising. For such

people, Hatha Yoga is great, as it changes their Tamogun to Rajogun.

 

But then they have to sit & do further meditation- which maybe mantra,

Bhakti, concentration, so that the Rajogun changes to Satogun.

Otherwise the Rajogun will be wasted & change back to Tamogun.

 

Unfortunately, most people never go beyond the physical aspects of

Yoga, which mean they miss the actual deeper secrets of the art.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Yes indeed my dear Aumji. God did not create us to run away from His

own Creation/World! In fact, we would fulfill His purpose better by

navigating in His world with spiritual awakening and not to negate

His world in spiritual awakening!

 

 

 

 

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

> That was great explanation thimappaji. Mostly people take running

> away to jungles as Sanyas and getting out of births and deaths as

> Moksha.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks shantnuji, for clarifying and elucidating further. You have

strengthened and corroborated my feelings on it and coming it from

persons like you adds greater value. Thanks a lot again.

 

With best regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

> Regards your comment that Hatha Yoga is for Tamasic people, it maybe

> true in some cases. Many people nowdays are very Tamasic- they are

> always lying on bed/sofa, watching TV, not excercising. For such

> people, Hatha Yoga is great, as it changes their Tamogun to

[Guest guest]

, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

> Is Laya Yoga same as Raja Yoga. Grateful if someone can explain

both

> and their aim

>

> ansuya

>

 

 

Dear Ansuyaji, what i know of Laya yoga, i can say Raja yoga is a

sub-set of Laya yoga.

 

Laya Yoga in a nutshell is merging the sense organs into Mind,

merging the mind into Buddhi and merging the buddhi into Soul.

 

Raj Yoga is stilling of mind which helps in merging of organs into

mind and further.

 

Perhpas anyone else could write more on this

 

Aummmm

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Shantanuji,

 

Namaste!

 

Thanks for guessing out - as to whether it Soma. Regret it is

incorrect.

 

Now i am confused. Only you have replied and no one has bothered

to guess it or shown any enthusiasm. That reminds me that many of

older folks died with the secrets of the herbs which had miraculous

property. They preferred to take the secrets with them rather than

disclose. I too was wondering in the same line? What do you say?

 

With warm wishes.

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

>

> > ------------------------------

> > Before i give out the indian name of this herb can anyone from

> > our Saadhanna group guess what is its name?

> > ------------------------------

>

> Sudhakarji, is it Soma, the mythical Indian herb used in Golden age

> Vedic times?

>

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

Only you have replied and no one has bothered

> to guess it or shown any enthusiasm.

 

Dear Sudhakarji , the reason why no one else replied may not be

disinterest... but may be people have no idea about it and dont wish

to be laughed at for wrong guess.

 

When i started this group long ago, i was all alone writing and

for months no one even bothered to acknowledge or reply. But i took

it as sadhna and continued... and see now the group has been

tingliing with positive energies from wise people like you and many

others.

 

Also there are many silent readers who read all the messages with

great interest... some even printing out the important messages. I

know many of them...but they remain dead silent and even do not ever

show their presence in the group.

 

So you, me shan or any other writing any good thing is taken note

of,... even if not replied or acknowledged.

 

With love

 

Aum