Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear sadhakas Please can you help me with this.... Everything comes from a source of pure love, even conflict & evil. Conflict & evil are just the outcome of attachment & dilusion, but they are still from the source of pure love. But aren't conflict & evil an absence of love? Can we say love is present everywhere & in everything? Looking forward to your thoughts on this. With love Farah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 --- Everything comes from a source of pure love, even conflict & evil. Conflict & evil are just the outcome of attachment & dilusion, but they are still from the source of pure love. Farah, How can Conflict ever come out of 'Pure Love'??? Conflict in english meanings, a Situation arising due to difference of opinion/s. 'Pure Love' only surfaces in a State of " No Opinion " ....in a State of " Total Unconditional Acceptance " . Thus, conflict and pure love cannot coexist....leave aside being a source. Good & Evil are simply looking at things from a certain perspective......for e.g. for Hitler Jews were evil and vice versa....so we can only talk about evil or good in relation to 'some context'. --- But aren't conflict & evil an absence of love? Can we say love is present everywhere & in everything? Dear Farah, are you not contradicting you own question??? You said conflict & evil emerges from pure love....and now u say they are 'an absence of love'. Do reconsider again calmly. What you mean by 'everywhere' and 'everything', if it is something thats outside US....then what does it matter !!! Important is, whether it is present within US......and if at all it is present within US......then it can surely be derived and experienced. And also, thru practice this process or derivation and experience of LOVE (thats within US) can be freed from any outside control.......what is meant is that, It shall not be a function of external circumstances, but, a totally commadable state (of consciousness). Regards, Anupam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 , Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote: > > > Farah, How can Conflict ever come out of 'Pure Love'??? > Dear Anupam I agree with what you are saying. Please accept my apologies as I didn't make it clear - I should have put quotation marks on the first paragraph, as they were the words of a philosophy tutor & not mine. He was the one who said everything comes from a source of pure love. Personally I feel evil & conflict are an absence of pure love. I just wondered what others thought about this. Many thanks for your thoughts & do share some more. With love Farah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Pure love is DIVINE LOVE. It is unconditional love. Love without any motive of gain.Mother`s love comes somewhat closer.I do not have " pure love " .I love God. But it is not pure love. I have a motive. I want God to keep me happy always.God`s love is pure. HE expects nothing from us. We can not do any favour to THE LORD. So no conflict ispossible in PURE LOVE. yous OMNAMONARAYANAYA. ijswamy janfarah_strongspirit <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: , Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote: > > > Farah, How can Conflict ever come out of 'Pure Love'??? > Dear Anupam I agree with what you are saying. Please accept my apologies as I didn't make it clear - I should have put quotation marks on the first paragraph, as they were the words of a philosophy tutor & not mine. He was the one who said everything comes from a source of pure love. Personally I feel evil & conflict are an absence of pure love. I just wondered what others thought about this. Many thanks for your thoughts & do share some more. With love Farah ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Regards to you. So...sharing some more thoughts in the form of a Poem :-) Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep Out from the womb, into three dimensional realm Comes a Child and softly weep Birthday gift that’s wrapped in this veil Are Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep Taught or not, in school or home Given no choice to throw or keep Rooted Skills that surface with time Of Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep With childish eyes that search for care With human love, for good we reap Thru timely nurture of social rules Are Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep Grows with the passing time and sees All around, that touches conscience deep A host to impressions that carry forward Is Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep A Slave to Slaves, in the land of Slaves Slavery rules and Dogmas so cheap Where nobody dares to cross the lines Beyond Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep Talks of Universe and Spaces to rule Yet in the Inner world, a mere sheep Stuck in the karmic cage of time Bound to Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep In this given span of unknown duration To uncover jewels of this mysterious trip Who shall sign up to travel the horizon? And cross thru Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep Step by Step with Yam & Niyam Day to Day, until the final leap From Darkness to Light, above the Blue Sky After Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep. , " janfarah_strongspirit " <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 > Everything comes from a source of pure love, even conflict & evil. > Conflict & evil are just the outcome of attachment & dilusion, but Conflict & evil also come from Pure Love- the soul of man searches for the Love it felt when it was one with God. But in the physical world, that same love, under the influence of ignorance, becomes a seeking of outer pleasures, which lead to conflict & evil, as outer pleasures are limited, & for one person to gain them, another must suffer. But people dont know why they are suffering, as they dont know the source of their inner love. Thats why, like blind men, they go round crawling dark alleys, attacking unknown things.........if only they turned inside, they would find what they have been looking for all this long. Another interesting thing is- All the religons talk of Love, yet love is the most absent thing in the world. What goes in name of Love is actually hypocricy. Even hate is better than this " love " , as our hate is pure, yet our love is diluted & corrupted. People live violent hateful lives, yet preach others about " love " ! This hypocricy(talking about love but then doing the oppopsite) started the day when religons started talking about love, & preaching the need for it. If Love is our true nature, why is there a need to preach about it? The reason is, Pure Love possesses you, you dont possess it. It descends into you, but you cannot control or keep it. A person who comes into contact with Pure Love then becomes a part of it. No longer he cares what society, the rulers or the priests think of him. To stop this sort of " dangerous " behaviour, religons started " preaching " about Love, while in fact their real motive was to suppress it. No wonder there is so much hypocricy. If you want to feel True Love, awaken first! People hypotised by the outer world can never feel that which is hidden in them. with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Yes, it is indeed totally true, Love is inner being, already there full and pure, reach the inner, it engulfs/possess us; It can not be sought in the outer world nor any amount of technique take us there, we have to just allow/be that! Very well said, Sir. Congratulations! M.S.Thimmappa -- In , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > Conflict & evil also come from Pure Love- the soul of man searches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 The statement that conflict and evil also come from pure love can be understood in this way. The source of dirty water or lake is also a pure water, say a glacier. It gets contaminated as it flows through various fields, thus accumulating within it the impurities. Hatred and ill-feeling occur only against a person whom you loved or had a relations before. You never hate a stranger, in a situation of anger and confrontation. You slap a stranger and forget it. You never carry hatred and ill-feeling in the heart. This feeling occurs because of the mind. It rankles as it compares the present situation with the previous situations of intimacy and love. The worst enemies have been the previous best friends and relations. In creation, the negativity is bound to occur and co-exist with the positive things. Our puranas shows clearly the inter-play of negative forces represented by the asuras and the positive forces reprsented by the devatas. It is a part of the Maya. This will go on until all the creation stops and all the creative forces merge with the potential form of the God-head. The pralaya will signal the end of the drama. Is it not correct then to say that all the evil and the good emanate from the same source of pure love? ulaganathan p " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote: Yes, it is indeed totally true, Love is inner being, already there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 , " janfarah_strongspirit " <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: > > Dear sadhakas > > Please can you help me with this.... Yes Farah dear you are absolutely right. Our source is loving bliss and the feeling of separation from that eternal joy brings sorrows to us, but our mind translates them as reactions to worldly desires/insults/fights Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 , Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote: > > Regards to you. > So...sharing some more thoughts in the form of a Poem :-) > Food, Fear, Sex & Sleep > Dear brothers & sisters Thankyou for your thoughts on this (Sudhakar, where are you?) This poem is brilliant Anupam, did you write it yourself? With love Farah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Yes Farah. Thanks to you. Regards, Anupam , " janfarah_strongspirit " <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: > Thankyou for your thoughts on this (Sudhakar, where are you?) This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 , " janfarah_strongspirit " <jan Hello Farahaji, Namaste! Ofcourse i am here, where else i can be. My last posting was on 16th May - just seven days back and one day before you posted " everything comes from pure love etc., " . Sometimes you can rejuvenate yourselves by not doing anything. I always like to participate in subjects which i know and in others i may pass my personal opinion but this time ofcourse i was as i said above rejuvenjating myself. Do keep posting and i assure you i read every one of the post that appears here. All of the participants do wonderful posting and sometimes it is thrilling to just read and watch the development like Anupam's nice poetry, after your posting. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > > Thankyou for your thoughts on this (Sudhakar, where are you?) This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: > > , " janfarah_strongspirit " <jan > > Hello Farahaji, > > Namaste! > > Ofcourse i am here, where else i can be. > Namaste Sudhakar - no worries, Im glad you are rejuvenated! With love Farah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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