Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > > > If siddhis are so bad and they deviate you from the true , its not the Siddhis that are bad, but their misuse. > > But to use these powers in the physical world, for physical enjoyment > or for the physical ego, means we lose the higher state of awareness Thanks shantanu, ok these may be normal siddhis, but many yogis get siddhis like healing powers, seeing the future clearly, control over hunger/thirst etc, knowing others future and similar powers. These come only with spiritual upliftment and can not be a game of mind. My real question is why are we gifted with siddhis on sadhna path, if they are not to be used? Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Dear Aumji, Namaste! I feel they are the by-products of sadhana (spiritual). In fact i would say temptation. While siddhis assure you that you are progressing at the same time their use leads to reduction in the capital gain of spiritual sadhana. It is both assurance which confirms your progress at the same time it is a test to check whether you succumb to its use or march forward. In Sikh history it is said when one of the gurus was being tortured and prosecuted by the muslim invaders, a muslim friend of the guru asked his (guru's) permission to destroy these muslim tyrants. At this the guru asked him, from where have you gained so much strength and the muslim friend replied, by eating " Jhoota ganna " of the guru meaning the leftover of the guru's sugarcane. At this the guru retorted, If by eating my leftover you have acquired so much power how much power I should be having? No! leave them alone and let the will of Lord take place replied the guru. Then there is another story of the guru's son using his power to give life to his dead friend and at this the guru admonished the son saying either you have to die or i will die. At this the guru's son happily sacrificed his life to prevent his father from dying. So you see these powers are by products, assurance and a test for the sadhak to continue the sadhana and reach the pinnacle of success and not succumbe to its viles. Hope this convinces you. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > My real question is why are we gifted with siddhis on sadhna path, if > they are not to be used? > > Aum > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: > I feel they are the by-products of sadhana (spiritual). In fact i > would say temptation. While siddhis assure you that you are Thanks sudhakarji, Can siddhis be used to get any help in Sadhna? If yes then can it be said " Siddhis are given to help boost the sadhna & not to impress people or gain material benefits " I mean to start this topic to remove the basic myth that siddhis are bad things and should not be gained/used. Shri Aurobindo once wrote - I decorate myself with the ornaments (siddhis) gifted by my beloved and they cry loud O you are doing wrong. I feel siddhis have a specific purpose, besides being a progress sign. How far you people agree with this with love always Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 , aumji <no_reply wrote: Dear Aumji, Namaste! According to Radha Soami, Beas, teachings Siddhis are to be digested and not exhibited to enhance your own Sadhana so they can be safely used to increase your own progress only and not to interfere in someone else's sadhana or otherwise. So you are right in stating " Siddhis are given to help boost the sadhana and not to impress people or gain material benefits. Only when you have reached a certain plateau i guess then you can make use of them. For instance when King Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj of Maharashtra purposely suddenly visited Sant Tukaram at meal time announcing he had plenty of soldiers and they were all hungry. Sant Tukaram had both riddhis and siddhis at his disposal but he himself was living in abject poverty used their power to furnish meals for each and everyone present there. But such instances are far few and in between to justify their usage. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > Thanks sudhakarji, Can siddhis be used to get any help in Sadhna? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 > I mean to start this topic to remove the basic myth that siddhis are > bad things and should not be gained/used. On this point, I would like to ask another question - there is another myth that Sadhaks should dress shabily, wear old clothes, keep their appearance poor. It is said that people who dress well are shallow & hence cannot be Sadhaks. Is there any truth to this myth? with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Shantnuji Babaji may throw more light on Sadhak`s appearance and attire. I think Sadhaks need not be shabbily dressed.They need not wear old clothes.Well dressed people are not shallow. But a sadhak who spends very little time in " earning " can not get regular supply of new clothes and may have to stay contended with clothes enough to protect his body from rain and sun. Santana dharmics consider wearing a three piece suite with leather boots is incorrect because a stitch is a repair and leather from an animal is to be avoided.. Unrepaired clothes are those which are woven , but not stitched. Indian traditional garments like a dhoti and upper garment serve this purpose. More is solicited from other sadhaks OMNAMONARAYANAYA ijswamy shanracer <no_reply > wrote: > I mean to start this topic to remove the basic myth that siddhis are > bad things and should not be gained/used. On this point, I would like to ask another question - there is another myth that Sadhaks should dress shabily, wear old clothes, keep their appearance poor. It is said that people who dress well are shallow & hence cannot be Sadhaks. Is there any truth to this myth? with love Shantnu ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Dear Shantanuji, Namaste! Many moons ago to a question from Aumji I had replied being on the path does not mean you have to be poor and live in poverty. This is absolutely wrong and it may apply to many sadhaks whose mind is easily swayed by the glamour of rich stylish dress but one who is steadfast on the path can drive a car, live in a mansion, wear comfortable clothes not necessary for it to be stylish of silkish but comfortable for the sadhak and do proper business or work and still carry on with the sadhana. In fact i had also added quoting Osho that a rich man can meditate better than a poor man as he would not have to worry from where the next meal is coming from. To this posting Farahaji had passed her own comments about not necessary to be rich. Ofcourse those who are steadfast in sadhana will not be affected but majority are Aam Aadmi (layman) and for him or her if not have to worry about rent and how to make arrangement for the next meal it will certainly help to be well off. All in all, dress code does not make you shallow at all if you are on the path. Many stylisly dressed male/females who visit temples and other religious places of worship are VAIN because they are not on the path and thus the impression is if you dress well you could get swayed from the path which is or maybe true when you are a beginner but once a seasoned person on the path it really makes no difference whatsoever. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > > > I mean to start this topic to remove the basic myth that siddhis are > > bad things and should not be gained/used. > > On this point, I would like to ask another question - there is another > myth that Sadhaks should dress shabily, wear old clothes, keep their > appearance poor. It is said that people who dress well are shallow & > hence cannot be Sadhaks. > > Is there any truth to this myth? > > with love > Shantnu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: > ! > > Many moons ago to a question from Aumji I had replied being on the > path does not mean you have to be poor and live in poverty. This is I agree !! A true sadhaka does not necessarily means he should remain in poverty. Rather I would say sadhaka does not really care for what he is wearing. He should not deliberately look shaby or look rich. He should accept what god has given him to wear. Laxmi is the chief motivator for kaliyuga. She is also 10th Mahavidya of the 10 Mahavidyas. For a true sadhaka Laxmi is not to be rejected, nor she must be made chief motivator. Laxmi must be earned, and spent for good purposes that is our victory over this mahavidya. Just to impress people sadhaka shud not wear any attire. Yes those who have taken sanyaas, there is strict dress code for sanyasis and they must follow it. Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 > I agree !! A true sadhaka does not necessarily means he should Thank you babaji & sudhakarji. Is it fair to say we get get attached to poverty & hard life, as much as we can get attached to richness & good life? with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Dear Shantanuji, Namaste! I agree with you in toto on this that some do get attached to poverty and hard life and in fact adapt themselves to that mode of living. Saint Tukaram, Saint Nandev, Saint Ravidev, Saint Gora Kumbhar, adapted to that life style. So also many sufi saints and Zen masters have embraced poverty. In recent times Russian author Leo Tolstoy and our own Mahatma Gandhi all adapted to that life style, but I also agree with what Osho said. He said, Lord Gautam Buddha enjoyed all the luxuries of princely life and so it was easier for him to give up these luxuries but Aam Aadmi (layman) should not do it because his mind will always be torn between spiritual longing and Sansari jeevan. The best is balance between the two and for this i quote Saint Ramdas the guru of king Shivaji who said, Prapanch karava netka magh lagave parmath viveka, prapanch sodoon parmath karal thene tumi kasti vahal. Loosely translated from Marathi language means ONE SHOULD DO HIS WORDLY DUTIES FIRST PROPERLY AND THEN GO IN FOR SPIRITUAL EXERCISE. IF YOU LEAVE WORLDLY DUTIES AND CONCENTRATE ONLY ON SPIRITUALITY YOU WILL EXPERIENCE 'HARDSHIP'. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > > > I agree !! A true sadhaka does not necessarily means he should > > Thank you babaji & sudhakarji. Is it fair to say we get get attached > to poverty & hard life, as much as we can get attached to richness & > good life? > > with love > Shantnu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 > quiries on the postings > > 1. i do not understand from your last posting Sir Ji that why Lord > Sri Krishna will give anything to me without my own desire . > > 2 . Sir ji is it true that " it is not necessary that two Yogies > would get the same Siddies " if it is true than i would request to > all members to share their views why it happens. > > 3. there are some Yogies who do not get any Siddhi in their Sadhana > and they reach to the Kingdom of the God or they get Moksha. is it > true or not Dear Jitinder 1- The desire for any siddhi may not be felt in our mind, but it may be hidden in our sub-conscious...may be as last birth's desires. Krishna knows well all our births and gives us siddhis/hakti etc as per our desires only 2- Like two persons never see same dream, two yogis may not get same siddhis. Siddhis are given as per a yogi's sadhna and karmic debts. 3- It is impossible for a sadhaka to reach Moksha without getting any siddhi. Some may not show it, some show it. The path to moksha passes from deep jungles of Siddhis, miracles, visions etc. With love Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM >Like two persons never see same dream, two yogis may not get same > siddhis. Siddhis are given as per a yogi's sadhna and karmic debts. Thanks a lot Sir Ji . i am happy as my doubts are cleared . Once again Thanks a lot Sir ji as for as concern with the question who bears the pain . yes Sir Ji you are right , senses bears the pain and pleasure and many more but definetely not the soul. and thanks a lot for that too Sir Ji could you please write summary of Sanatan Dharma in few statements . it is my request to all . please share your views in short how do you express Sanatan Dharma HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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