Continue the Satsang --SOUL EXISTS & ITS PROOF ALSO EXISTS

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Babaji,Shantnuji, and ALL Sadhaks

Pranams

Intuition,Sixth sense,Premonition, Phantom pain are known to all. They

exist.

Sadhaks experience or must experience " PHANTOM PLEASURE " (Indescribable

happiness not caused by any material possession.)

Phantom pain is a medical/psychiatric condition.In this an individual whose

limb is amputated continues to feel pain in the limb that is removed from the

body and destroyed. The explanation that brain is programmed to locate the pain

in the unseen part of the body is incomplete because even blocking the nerves/

hypnotizing /deprogramming and such other medical technics did no relieve the

pain.What is more, children born without a limb as a birth defect reported pain

in the non existent limb.

These truths point out to a thing beyond brain and mind.

KARMIC EXPERIENCES OF SOUL connected to physical body, brain and mind only

can explain these phenomena saisfactorily .

1)Soul suffers even if body does not suffer

2)Such suffering is not conrolled or limited by engineering the body and mind.

3)Deep mental depressions disappeared after the victim survives a suicide

attmpt.

4)Some people are " happy go lucky " type without being materially well

endowed.

It is very reasonable and possible to link mind and soul. though the nature

of the link is not fully understood.

If soul can experience pain through Karma , pleasure also can be experienced

by Karma and Sadhana..

Kindly offer your comments and feedback.

JAI SRIMANNARAYAN

your sadhak friend

ijswamy

 

Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

Dear friends, first of thanks for shanracer, jitu, swami, sudhakar

Farah and all other sadhakas for keeping the satsang alive.

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, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu wrote:

>> Intuition,Sixth sense,Premonition, Phantom pain are known to

> 1)Soul suffers even if body does not suffer

> 2)Such suffering is not conrolled or limited by engineering the

body and mind.

> 3)Deep mental depressions disappeared after the victim survives

a suicide attmpt.

> 4)Some people are " happy go lucky " type without being

materially well endowed.

> It is very reasonable and possible to link mind and soul. though

the nature of the link is not fully understood.

> If soul can experience pain through Karma , pleasure also can be

experienced by Karma and Sadhana..

> Kindly offer your comments and feedback.

> JAI SRIMANNARAYAN

> your sadhak friend

> ijswamy

 

 

Thanks swamiji for bringing out these important points ( that too

when comes from a medico sadhaka... have more weight LOL)

 

Before we discuss it further, please clarify - Does the soul

really feels pains/pleasures ? or is it beyond these traits.

 

You have wonderfully elaborated about pain being beyond Mind...

does it necessarily means that it is Soul who feels the pain and

pleasure ?

 

Aum

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Aumji , I think the soul suffers. A suffering soul is differenly named as evil

spirit,harming diety etc. A soul that " rests in peace " is a happy soul.An

unfulfilled very strong desire may be fulfilled in the next birth as soul

transmigrates.

OM NAMO NAARAAYANAAYA.

ijswamy

 

aumji <no_reply > wrote:

 

Thanks swamiji for bringing out these important points ( that too

[Guest guest]

, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

> Aumji , I think the soul suffers. A suffering soul is differenly named

 

But Swamiji, dont the scriptures say the soul is beyond all happiness

& suffering? Isnt that why we worship/try to become the soul- so we

too can go beyond all suffering?

 

with love

Shantnu

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Ji han .

If sir the soul is beyond all happiness , also beyond all pain ,and if the

soul feels nothing , what is the difference between a soul and a stone in

wilderness.? Is the soul living or dead.

I feel I am doing sadhana for a soul that stays eternally happy. Scriptures

say soul does not suffer like a body -- pain,hunger anger etc.Soul does not

enjoy like the body-- good taste comfortable bed sound sleep etc.

The posiive side /pleasant side of soul is beyond human comprehension.Soul

has a state of bliss.

My vocabulary is insufficient to describe that state.

kindly comment and criticise

OMNAMONARAYANAYA

ijswamy.

 

shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

> Aumji , I think the soul suffers. A suffering soul is differenly named

 

But Swamiji, dont the scriptures say the soul is beyond all happiness

& suffering? Isnt that why we worship/try to become the soul- so we

too can go beyond all suffering?

 

with love

Shantnu

 

 

 

 

 

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

 

 

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> If sir the soul is beyond all happiness , also beyond all pain

>,and if the soul feels nothing , what is the difference between a

>soul and a stone in wilderness.? Is the soul living or dead.

 

Swamiji, it is a well known fact that at 2 extremes, things look

similar. So 1 extreme of light is ultraviolet, other is infrared, but

we cannot see both, so they " seem " similar to us(invisible). But they

are not the same!

 

A Sadhu is just sitting on the floor smiling. So is a drunk. But they

are not the same!

 

It is wrong to say a stone feels nothing- how would we know? In the

Santana Dharam, everything, even a stone is alive. Thats why gems can

be used for healing purposes- they give us their energy. Thats why

many astrologers recommend keeping gemstones under the pillow for a

night before wearing them- as we can contact the energy of the stone

in our dream. The fact we cannot do so when awake is our failing. To

someone I know, the gem he was about to wear actually appeared as a

person in his dream, & told him how he would be useful.

 

So a stone is not dead- except it cannot express itself openly. Thats

because it is at 1 extreme- of Tamogun. God is at the other extreme-

the height of Satogun. Most of us cannot talk to God, anymore than we

can talk to the stone- but again thats our fault! Both are alive in

their own ways.

 

God doesnt feel any sorrow, or misery, or pain, as Satogun is by

defintion that which brings Light, harmony & bliss.

 

But the Pure Spirit(called variously Shiv, Narayan, Brahm) is beyond

even God- God(or Ishwar Tattva) is a reflection of the Pure Spirit in

Prakriti. Or, (since Im reading Yoganandas commentary on Bible), the

Father is born as the Son, Christ Conciousness, in the Virgin Mother

Mary(she is a virgin, as in the beginning Prakriti exists all by

herself in the manifest world)

 

Satogun, while it is a highly pleasing & enlightening stage, is still

a part of Prakriti, or Mother Nature. The Pure Spirit, Atma, is beyond

all dualities- happiness/sadness, pain/pleasure, light/darkness.

 

While it is true God doesnt feel any sorrow like we do, Higher

Beings(like Rishis, Avtaars) do feel a certain sadness when they see

people living in ignorance. This sadness is due to misunderstanding of

the Truth by humans. This is the reason these higher beings incarnate-

to help remove darkness.

 

with love

Shantnu

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Thank you sir, Very clearly explained.

OMNAMONARAYANAYA

ijswamy

 

shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

 

Swamiji, it is a well known fact that at 2 extremes, things look