Gita - discissions on Yogas.

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, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

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> Any way, according to my presumption, every sadhaka turns to

>Adhyatma >or spirituality for getting answers to his day to day

>problems which >remaim unsolved / unanswered by all other physical

 

This Keshavji is the main point. Spirituality that doesnt help us in

our day to day life is useless.

 

Its easy to say " All is Brahm/God, this world is Maya " , but at the end

of day we still have to goto work, pay our taxes, get stuck an hour in

traffic, face humilations etc.

 

Any philosphy that tries to reject the manifest world, & tries to run

afer some far away Nirvan, Moksha, heaven, is incomplete in my view.

 

As the Isha Upanishad says

 

" They goto Hell, they who worship the manifest.

But to an even deeper hell go those who worship only the unmanifest " .

 

with love,

Shantnu

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Blessed Self!

 

Can there be a conflict between our spiritual quest and the struggles we make

in mundane affairs? I think not. We must apply the rules of the physical world,

in matters concerning the physical life. For our physical existence, we need

food. To earn your bread and butter, you go for job and pay your taxes etc. On

the other hand, in the spiritual plane, the rules are different. You need to

uplift yourself from the physical plane and leave the body consciousness. In

this process, you need to put yourself in the crucible of sadhaana to which you

have been intiated. As you alternate between these two different planes, you

have to follow two different sets of rules. " Give unto Ceaser ....... " . Once

you attain nirvikalpa samadhi, where you lose your body consciousness, you will

remain entrenched in spiritual plane for ever, occasionally coming down to

earthy and mundane existence, as a passing visitor.

 

ulaganathan p

 

shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

This Keshavji is the main point. Spirituality that doesnt help us in

our day to day life is useless.

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Very interesting discussion on karma/jnana/bhakti yoga.To me it is

different sides of the same face.

 

Nishkama karma, self-desireless action, and karmaphala tyaga,

renunciation of fruits of action for self are the gist of uplifting

karma yoga. Why we must do that way the karmas? Because it is not

mine to desire for myself, it is His, ishavasyamidam sarvam, I am

only a trusty and without betraying trust I must perform, hence what

is there for me to desire and have. This is jnana yoga.What is the

result? Nothing is ours, we surrender to and marvel at the great and

huge Reality that is running in such perfect Order, no question of

any interference in it. I simply accept, be non-resistant, be non

attached to all(as it is not mine!),submiit myself to the larger

reality to navigate me to the destination only He knows well. This is

bhakti yoga.

 

Each of the three coalesce/merge into one another, we must be all of

it as they are part and parcel.

 

Same is covered in a different way in the Upanishads. Mundaka

Upanishad says that there are two types of knowledge/education: para,

spiritual, and apara, material.In Isha Upanishad, a part of it

referred to by shanracer,para vidya is abbreviated as just vidya and

apara vidya as a-vidya and says that if you know only one,lower

(material/avidya) you are a blinding fool(andah taamaha) and knowing

only higher(spiritual/vidya) you are a even more blinding fool!

Hence, it continues in the immediate next two slokas to say veda

ubhayam saha, know both together.

 

karma yoga, jnana yoga and bhakti yoga too combines para and apara,

vidya and avidya, material and spiritual.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa

 

 

, keshav daund <keshav_daund

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> Revered members, humble obeisances. Because of some other

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