Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Namaste! Is there such a thing as blind faith? After all, if faith isnt blind, its not faith, but knowledge or opinion. So is faith always blind? Radha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 , radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote: > > Namaste! > > Is there such a thing as blind faith? After all, if faith isnt blind, > its not faith, but knowledge or opinion. > > So is faith always blind? > > Radha > ---------------------- Respected Ms. Radha, Im sorry to say that u hav`nt understood and define the meaning of BLIND FAITH. In fact, blind faith is applied on to the other person(s) whom u believe and have a faith that this person is my wellwisher and may act as per my intrest etc., and that`s why we say that we have a blind faith on -?, Or I had done so, b`coz i had blind faith on----- So pl. note faith is faith but can not always be blind. With regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I think you can never have a 100% Bhakti, Jnana or Karma yoga. There have to be elements of Jnana & Karma in order to be an effective Bhakt. We all need to make informed decisions about our chosen path. We all need to love God and all creation, and devote everything we do to God. Lets compare this to cricket (to illustrate, not to make light of the question). Sachin is primarily a batsman. But his knowledge of the game is encyclopediac (Jnana) and he has got a decent bowling record:). A bhakt may choose not to delve too deeply into Jnan. unless you are extremely lucky or have a great guru, blind faith is at best misguided, and at worst fanatical. However, Bhakti is a great starting point. Once you are single minded in your faith, and not close minded about your approach, Jnana will slowly permeate into you. Your deeds will start reflecting a Karma yogi's path. I remember reading a slightly similar discussion a while back. Rgds , radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote: > > Namaste! > > Is there such a thing as blind faith? After all, if faith isnt blind, > its not faith, but knowledge or opinion. > > So is faith always blind? > > Radha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Satishji & Rajinderji, you have misunderstood what I said. I wasnt talking about Bhakti yoga or Gyan Yoga or trusting Guru, or anything complicated like that. My question was much simpler, I'll expand on it if you want. Modern educated people look with contempt on religon, which they say encourages blind faith. Even those who turn to God want " proof " 1st. Thats why you get all these Gurus pulling rabbits and ashes out of hats or thin air, to give people " proof " that they have spiritual powers & are hence well connected to God. Even Bhaktas want some " proof " of God, even if it is scriptural knowledge. Everybody pretends their faith has proof/knowledge behind it, it is not blind faith. But you have proof of something, that doesnt require faith, as then it becomes scientific knowledge(like we know apples fall to the ground, this is a fact, so we know there is a law of gravity-no faith is needed). Faith is by definition for those things we do not, or cannot have, proof for. So faith is always blind- it has to be, else it cannot be called faith- it is scientific fact otherwise. True faith doesnt need the crutches of scientific proof, in the same way a baby has blind faith in the mother, even though it has no actual " proof " that its mother loves it & will take care of it. So the question is- is the term " blind faith " wrong, as if it isnt blind, it is not faith, but just mental knowledge masquerading as faith? Radha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 , radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote: > > Satishji & Rajinderji, you have misunderstood what I said. Respected Radha ji, Namastey, Pl. don`t try to confuse urselves. Try to understand the material facts. For ur kind information I hereby, may can only submit that the way u have adopted to know the meaning of faith on God or not to believe, if there is no proof. Why the way those who are keen to seek proof, can they spare such time to visit and get the knowledge of the facts, which are already recorded in our `so called` Dharmik Books like Geeta, Adhyatmic Geeta, Ramayan, etc., etc,---?. May I suggest one thing, If any one have any doubt on some specific event(s)related to believe it or not on God, may kindly be sent to us , we shall try our level best to answer the same. Thanks a lot. With Warm Regards > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Radhaji, I agree with you. we need 100% faith, even if normal people call it blind , in God. A faith with doutbs, or one that needs crutches of scientific proof isnt faith, just hypocricy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Faith is always Blind.. here blind is to logics. Faith + logics = wisdom Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 , radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote: > > Namaste! > > Is there such a thing as blind faith? After all, if faith isnt blind, > its not faith, but knowledge or opinion. > > So is faith always blind? > > Radha > Faith is like a hypothesis in science. You start with an assumptions and then by research prove it wrong or right. Similarly you start with the faith in God (a Higher power), and through observation and diligent inquiry establish the existence of this super Power. Deep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 > Faith + logics = wisdom But Babaji, logics depend on mental knowledge, or what we can get from senses. Faith is for things the senses cannot see & hence prove. How do we reconcile these 2 contradictory things? love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > > Faith + logics = wisdom > > But Babaji, logics depend on mental knowledge, or what we can get from > senses. Yes you are right !! for a common man mind presents logics.... a scientist first have faith in an experiment then he sees his faith working and the mind accepts it logically and it becomes his wisdom. similarly for a sadhaka wisdom comes when his mind confirm his faith. Like I have faith that Lord shiva exists... but mind will never give his acceptance.... and finally after sadhna if shiva appears and is seen (in vision or in physical).. mind logically accepts it.... So only faith or only logics, is not the wisdom...Faith remains a game of imagination and logics remain a game of mind..where both heart and mind agree....wisdom starts flowing Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 > Yes you are right !! for a common man mind presents logics.... a Babaji, can we also say the logical mind has to be subversient to the Intuitive mind, from where faith comes? The logical mind must always take signals from Intuition, & not force intuition to its own standards. Do you agree? love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Dear Sadhakas and devotees , Blind faith is not baseless faith. It is a faith based on the clear science that human faculties are incapable of perceiving certain attributes of even physical material objects right in front of us.Perceiving God with our senses is impossible. As I had pointed out, the sound of dog whistle is heard only by dogs and cats. Lower animals,fish and birds recognise well in advance psunamis, earth quakes and cyclones. Many colour blind people find it impossible to appreciate colourful flowers. Even a cold can knock off our faculty of odour of perfume,a sweet eaten before coffee removes the sweetness of coffee and we do not feel that our garments are touching us. A totally transparent glass is not seen at all though it permits us to see beyond. With these limitations , how can anyone demand physical proof of God`s existence? GOD EXISTS. IT IS NOT MY BLIND FAITH. I KNOW HE EXISTS Thanxfor reading ijswamy shanracer <no_reply > wrote: Babaji, can we also say the logical mind has to be subversient to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Hari Om! I would rather take a view that the logic and the mind are not to be totally discarded as antithetical to faith. Mind and logic are also the gift of god to man with which he could deduce the Truth. Take for example, the Galileo's discovery about the world being global and Darwin 's theory of evolution were the truth coming out of their logical mind. This truth, despite the prevailing faith in the Christian world, stood the ground. Much of the revelations of the rishis of yore, were both inspirational and logical. Logic and inspiration need not necessarily be at loggerheads, always. For many of the scientists, it was the intuition which formed the basis for framing hypothesis and the logic and mind helped them later to substantiate them. Much of Ramanujan's theorums were the products of his intuition, which have defied logic and yet stood the test of reason till this day. with love, ulaganathan p > Babaji, can we also say the logical mind has to be subversient to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > > similarly for a sadhaka wisdom comes when his mind confirm his > faith. Like I have faith that Lord shiva exists... but mind will > never give his acceptance.... and finally after sadhna if shiva > appears and is seen (in vision or in physical).. mind logically > accepts it.... > > So only faith or only logics, is not the wisdom...Faith remains a > game of imagination and logics remain a game of mind..where both > heart and mind agree....wisdom starts flowing > > Aum > Dear Aum I believe there is a part of you that 'just knows' & it is this part of you that holds faith. It is certainly not blind, because this is the part of you that doesnt ever need the mind to confirm or accept anything at all. This part of you has an undeniable 'knowing' that cannot be understood intellectually. Of course the mind will try to fit concepts into a form that 'makes sense' to it (or not) but faith doesnt play that game. Its not necessary. I feel wisdom comes when you can use these tools together & when it is appropriate, let go of the mind & the ego. When we can tap into that part of ourselves that just knows & needs no physical or scientific proof, we see the truth. With much love Farah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 , " janfarah_strongspirit " <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: > > > I believe there is a part of you that 'just knows' & it is this part > of you that holds faith. It is certainly not blind, because this is > the part of you that doesnt ever need the mind to confirm or accept > Dear Faraha I think this is the correct definition of Faith. There are so many things, worldly and otherwise, which we just know that they are but no proof can be given for them. All sentiments/feelings, like love, hate etc., are such. thanks Jai Gurudev pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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