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, radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote:

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> Namaste!

>

> Is there such a thing as blind faith? After all, if faith isnt blind,

> its not faith, but knowledge or opinion.

>

> So is faith always blind?

>

> Radha

>

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Respected Ms. Radha,

Im sorry to say that u hav`nt understood and define the meaning of

BLIND FAITH. In fact, blind faith is applied on to the other person(s)

whom u believe and have a faith that this person is my wellwisher and

may act as per my intrest etc., and that`s why we say that we have a

blind faith on -?, Or I had done so, b`coz i had blind faith on-----

So pl. note faith is faith but can not always be blind.

With regards

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I think you can never have a 100% Bhakti, Jnana or Karma yoga. There

have to be elements of Jnana & Karma in order to be an effective

Bhakt. We all need to make informed decisions about our chosen path.

We all need to love God and all creation, and devote everything we do

to God.

 

Lets compare this to cricket (to illustrate, not to make light of the

question). Sachin is primarily a batsman. But his knowledge of the

game is encyclopediac (Jnana) and he has got a decent bowling

record:). A bhakt may choose not to delve too deeply into Jnan.

 

unless you are extremely lucky or have a great guru, blind faith is at

best misguided, and at worst fanatical. However, Bhakti is a great

starting point. Once you are single minded in your faith, and not

close minded about your approach, Jnana will slowly permeate into you.

Your deeds will start reflecting a Karma yogi's path.

 

I remember reading a slightly similar discussion a while back.

 

Rgds

, radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote:

>

> Namaste!

>

> Is there such a thing as blind faith? After all, if faith isnt blind,

> its not faith, but knowledge or opinion.

>

> So is faith always blind?

>

> Radha

>

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Satishji & Rajinderji, you have misunderstood what I said.

 

I wasnt talking about Bhakti yoga or Gyan Yoga or trusting Guru, or

anything complicated like that. My question was much simpler, I'll

expand on it if you want.

 

Modern educated people look with contempt on religon, which they say

encourages blind faith. Even those who turn to God want " proof " 1st.

Thats why you get all these Gurus pulling rabbits and ashes out of

hats or thin air, to give people " proof " that they have spiritual

powers & are hence well connected to God.

 

Even Bhaktas want some " proof " of God, even if it is scriptural knowledge.

 

Everybody pretends their faith has proof/knowledge behind it, it is

not blind faith.

 

But you have proof of something, that doesnt require faith, as then it

becomes scientific knowledge(like we know apples fall to

the ground, this is a fact, so we know there is a law of gravity-no

faith is needed).

 

Faith is by definition for those things we do not, or cannot have,

proof for. So faith is always blind- it has to be, else it cannot be

called faith- it is scientific fact otherwise.

 

True faith doesnt need the crutches of scientific proof, in the same

way a baby has blind faith in the mother, even though it has no actual

" proof " that its mother loves it & will take care of it.

 

So the question is- is the term " blind faith " wrong, as if it isnt

blind, it is not faith, but just mental knowledge masquerading as faith?

 

Radha

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, radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote:

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> Satishji & Rajinderji, you have misunderstood what I said.

 

Respected Radha ji,

Namastey,

Pl. don`t try to confuse urselves. Try to understand the material

facts. For ur kind information I hereby, may can only submit that the

way u have adopted to know the meaning of faith on God or not to

believe, if there is no proof. Why the way those who are keen to

seek proof, can they spare such time to visit and get the knowledge

of the facts, which are already recorded in our `so called` Dharmik

Books like Geeta, Adhyatmic Geeta, Ramayan, etc., etc,---?.

May I suggest one thing, If any one have any doubt on some specific

event(s)related to believe it or not on God, may kindly be sent to

us , we shall try our level best to answer the same.

Thanks a lot.

With Warm Regards

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Radhaji, I agree with you. we need 100% faith, even if normal people

call it blind , in God.

 

A faith with doutbs, or one that needs crutches of scientific proof

isnt faith, just hypocricy.

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, radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote:

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> Namaste!

>

> Is there such a thing as blind faith? After all, if faith isnt blind,

> its not faith, but knowledge or opinion.

>

> So is faith always blind?

>

> Radha

>

Faith is like a hypothesis in science. You start with an assumptions

and then by research prove it wrong or right. Similarly you start with

the faith in God (a Higher power), and through observation and

diligent inquiry establish the existence of this super Power.

Deep

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> Faith + logics = wisdom

 

But Babaji, logics depend on mental knowledge, or what we can get from

senses.

 

Faith is for things the senses cannot see & hence prove.

 

How do we reconcile these 2 contradictory things?

 

love

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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> > Faith + logics = wisdom

>

> But Babaji, logics depend on mental knowledge, or what we can get

from

> senses.

 

Yes you are right !! for a common man mind presents logics.... a

scientist first have faith in an experiment then he sees his faith

working and the mind accepts it logically and it becomes his wisdom.

 

similarly for a sadhaka wisdom comes when his mind confirm his

faith. Like I have faith that Lord shiva exists... but mind will

never give his acceptance.... and finally after sadhna if shiva

appears and is seen (in vision or in physical).. mind logically

accepts it....

 

So only faith or only logics, is not the wisdom...Faith remains a

game of imagination and logics remain a game of mind..where both

heart and mind agree....wisdom starts flowing

 

Aum

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> Yes you are right !! for a common man mind presents logics.... a

 

Babaji, can we also say the logical mind has to be subversient to the

Intuitive mind, from where faith comes?

 

The logical mind must always take signals from Intuition, & not force

intuition to its own standards. Do you agree?

 

love

Shantnu

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Dear Sadhakas and devotees , Blind faith is not baseless faith. It is a faith

based on the clear science that human faculties are incapable of perceiving

certain attributes of even physical material objects right in front of

us.Perceiving God with our senses is impossible.

As I had pointed out, the sound of dog whistle is heard only by dogs and cats.

Lower animals,fish and birds recognise well in advance psunamis, earth quakes

and cyclones. Many colour blind people find it impossible to appreciate

colourful flowers. Even a cold can knock off our faculty of odour of perfume,a

sweet eaten before coffee removes the sweetness of coffee and we do not feel

that our garments are touching us. A totally transparent glass is not seen at

all though it permits us to see beyond. With these limitations , how can anyone

demand physical proof of God`s existence?

GOD EXISTS. IT IS NOT MY BLIND FAITH. I KNOW HE EXISTS

Thanxfor reading

ijswamy

 

shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

Babaji, can we also say the logical mind has to be subversient to the

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Hari Om!

 

I would rather take a view that the logic and the mind are not to be

totally discarded as antithetical to faith. Mind and logic are also

the gift of god to man with which he could deduce the Truth. Take for

example, the Galileo's discovery about the world being global and

Darwin 's theory of evolution were the truth coming out of their

logical mind. This truth, despite the prevailing faith in the

Christian world, stood the ground. Much of the revelations of the

rishis of yore, were both inspirational and logical. Logic and

inspiration need not necessarily be at loggerheads, always. For many

of the scientists, it was the intuition which formed the basis for

framing hypothesis and the logic and mind helped them later to

substantiate them. Much of Ramanujan's theorums were the products of

his intuition, which have defied logic and yet stood the test of

reason till this day.

 

with love,

 

ulaganathan p

 

> Babaji, can we also say the logical mind has to be subversient to

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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> similarly for a sadhaka wisdom comes when his mind confirm his

> faith. Like I have faith that Lord shiva exists... but mind will

> never give his acceptance.... and finally after sadhna if shiva

> appears and is seen (in vision or in physical).. mind logically

> accepts it....

>

> So only faith or only logics, is not the wisdom...Faith remains a

> game of imagination and logics remain a game of mind..where both

> heart and mind agree....wisdom starts flowing

>

> Aum

>

 

Dear Aum

 

I believe there is a part of you that 'just knows' & it is this part

of you that holds faith. It is certainly not blind, because this is

the part of you that doesnt ever need the mind to confirm or accept

anything at all. This part of you has an undeniable 'knowing' that

cannot be understood intellectually. Of course the mind will try to

fit concepts into a form that 'makes sense' to it (or not) but faith

doesnt play that game. Its not necessary.

 

I feel wisdom comes when you can use these tools together & when it

is appropriate, let go of the mind & the ego. When we can tap into

that part of ourselves that just knows & needs no physical or

scientific proof, we see the truth.

 

With much love

 

Farah

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

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> > I believe there is a part of you that 'just knows' & it is this

part

> of you that holds faith. It is certainly not blind, because this is

> the part of you that doesnt ever need the mind to confirm or accept

>

 

Dear Faraha

 

I think this is the correct definition of Faith.

 

There are so many things, worldly and otherwise, which we just know

that they are but no proof can be given for them. All

sentiments/feelings, like love, hate etc., are such.

 

thanks

 

Jai Gurudev

 

pradeep

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