Two aims of our Sadhna

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> That Yoga is full or perfect which enables us to fulfil entirely

> God's purpose in us in this universe.

 

So Aum, how do we fulfill Gods purpose in this world? Especially, as

we dont even what the purpose is?

 

S Kumar

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, s_kumar_12345 <no_reply wrote:

 

> So Aum, how do we fulfill Gods purpose in this world? Especially, as

> we dont even what the purpose is?

 

 

Purpose?? it is a tricky word and it varies from person to person.

For some it is reaching a heaven, for some it reinvarnating for some

it is merging into god, for some it is living with god... for some it

may be merging into god and coming back..

 

So first we have to determine what our purpose it.. and the purpose

would mainly depend upon our mental evolution.

 

For a simple farmer the purpose would be just to enjoy in the

heavens, drink wine and sex with virgins, and for a yogi the purpose

may be merging into god

 

Once the purpose is known, the journey starts...and the books, the

living and gone gurus.. even the world around us start giving us

directions

 

Aum

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Aumji, & kumarji,

 

I feel the purpose of god is god (itself,himself or

herself) only.

 

God is omnipresent and wants us to be like him.He is

within everything yet is different from it. He is the

generator,motivator and destroyer of non creative

forces.

 

He invites us to be like him and its the purpose i

think. Now as aumji said, the person who defines god

like something, may take the aim is that something.

 

--- Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

> , s_kumar_12345

> <no_reply wrote:

>

> > So Aum, how do we fulfill Gods purpose in this

> world? Especially, as

> > we dont even what the purpose is?

>

 

 

 

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Apart from this one more question is whether god has

any purpose?

 

since as Isavasyopnishad and other references say " he

is complete " which means he needs nothing from

outside.

 

purnam idam,

 

Its " we " or " I " who should have purpose, of returning

back to our own status of godness.

 

isnt it?

 

--- " udaykumar S.K. " <udaykumar001 wrote:

 

> Aumji, & kumarji,

>

> I feel the purpose of god is god (itself,himself or

> herself) only.

>

> God is omnipresent and wants us to be like him.He is

> within everything yet is different from it. He is

> the

> generator,motivator and destroyer of non creative

> forces.

>

> He invites us to be like him and its the purpose i

> think. Now as aumji said, the person who defines god

> like something, may take the aim is that something.

>

> --- Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

> > , s_kumar_12345

> > <no_reply wrote:

> >

> > > So Aum, how do we fulfill Gods purpose in this

> > world? Especially, as

> > > we dont even what the purpose is?

> >

>

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> Apart from this one more question is whether god has

> any purpose?

 

I think God has a purpose too- to bring perfection, beauty and Truth

to a world wrought by pain & misery.

 

Otherwise, if all that God required from us was to merge into someone

unknown Brahm or void, than why would he have created the world- he

could have just sat there, existing in himself.

 

love

Shantnu

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If the pain and misery are those which god wants to

change to perfection beauty and truth, but who invites

them first the misery and pain,certainly its not by

god for man.

 

I believe its only human who changes his world into

mess and its not a godgift.,it seems god wants us to

return to the world he created and which is in true

natural condition.

 

If god brings beauty and its his nature, man brings

misery and pain, due to his own desires against

nature.

 

again the question is who needs change, whether god

needs it or a man has to change himself?

 

--- shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

> > Apart from this one more question is whether god

> has

> > any purpose?

>

> I think God has a purpose too- to bring perfection,

> beauty and Truth

> to a world wrought by pain & misery.

>

> Otherwise, if all that God required from us was to

> merge into someone

> unknown Brahm or void, than why would he have

> created the world- he

> could have just sat there, existing in himself.

>

> love

> Shantnu

>

>

 

 

 

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> I believe its only human who changes his world into

> mess and its not a godgift.,it seems god wants us to

 

But Udayji, who creates humans with so many desires, struggles & pain?

Why would God delibrately create beings whose nature was to be in

pain/misery of duality? Why woul God create demonic forces that aim to

bring us down, halt our spiritual progress, make us feel futile,

depressed?

 

Everything that is possible to be created, is created at some time.

This includes the Devas who exist in pure bliss, to the Asuras, who

like the state of unmanifest more, & want to take us back there.

 

Everything must be allowed to manifest itself, to express its energy.

Only when all the power of dark forces has expired, will God take us

to the next stage o manifestation. As they say, the night is darkest

before the sunrise.

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shanji, i agree god is and only is the creator.

 

But see how adam(adim),the first man behaved.

isnt it reflection of what today we are?But again

since god is the creator himself, there should be

saitan the destroyer ,too.

 

Then who will chose whom to follow? and whose life is

going to effect as an end result?

 

I feel god has creted us but at the same time has

given us the choice to lead the life.If we dont have

choice, then either we should not act and decide,let

the things happen their own way, or other hand decide

and change the world to crative ways to follow god or

destructive way to follow saitan.

 

I feel the same as you said " Everything must be

allowed to manifest itself, to express its energy "

this is very important.

 

--- shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

who creates humans with so many desires,

> struggles & pain?

> Why would God delibrately create beings whose nature

> was to be in

> pain/misery of duality?

 

 

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JAI SRI RAM , JAI SRI KRISHNA

 

Beautifull discussion is going on , it is sad for me that i could not

read the messages due to office work. i have to read last messages.

 

 

i would like to add for the purpose of the cretaion of the God to

experience enjoyment in different mode , but we could not follow the

norms of the world hence fall into the pain and sometimes we become

asura too.

 

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RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

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> the things happen their own way, or other hand decide

> and change the world to crative ways to follow god or

> destructive way to follow saitan.

 

But Udayji, isnt destruction also part of creation, as without

destroying the old and dying, how can we create new?

 

So in a way the demons are also doing Gods job. Thats why we also

worship Rudra/Shiva, who destroys & removes that which is old, so new

can be created.

 

love

Shantnu

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> i would like to add for the purpose of the cretaion of the God to

> experience enjoyment in different mode , but we could not follow the

> norms of the world hence fall into the pain and sometimes we become

> asura too.

 

So Jitendarji, isnt pain also a form of enjoyment? After all, for the

pure spirit, there is no such thing as pain or pleasure, titles which

are invented by humans, & based on arbitrary standards.

 

For God, both pain & pleasure are equal, as Krishna says in the Gita.

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shanji ,

 

I agree destruction and construction are two sides of

one cosmic energy.

 

but who is the one, through which it flows under

control.

 

yes, old has to go, since it has to give way to new.

--- shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

>

> > the things happen their own way, or other hand

> decide

> > and change the world to crative ways to follow god

> or

> > destructive way to follow saitan.

>

> But Udayji, isnt destruction also part of creation,

> as without

> destroying the old and dying, how can we create new?

>

> So in a way the demons are also doing Gods job.

> Thats why we also

> worship Rudra/Shiva, who destroys & removes that

> which is old, so new

> can be created.

>

> love

> Shantnu

>

>

 

 

 

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JAI SRI KRISHAN ,JAI SHRI RAM

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

>

> > i would like to add for the purpose of the cretaion of the God to

> > experience enjoyment in different mode , but we could not follow

the

> > norms of the world hence fall into the pain and sometimes we

become

> > asura too.

>

> So Jitendarji, isnt pain also a form of enjoyment? After all, for the

> pure spirit, there is no such thing as pain or pleasure, titles which

> are invented by humans, & based on arbitrary standards.

>

> For God, both pain & pleasure are equal, as Krishna says in the Geeta

 

 

thanks Sir ji but still have some doubt to know

 

Parmatma jeev roop se dukh aur sukh ka bhokta hai do not you think so

that this statement is also right.

 

and also Human is the part of the God . please explain further

 

 

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RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

 

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> Parmatma jeev roop se dukh aur sukh ka bhokta hai do not you think

so

> that this statement is also right.

>

> and also Human is the part of the God . please explain further

 

 

What is pain ? is it really an absolute thing ? if it is absolute,

it should be felt by all...

 

when a lion kills a deer, the deer is in pains and the lion is

happy ....same action but two emotions.

 

Pain has no independent existence.... Pain is the reaction of

mind to a certain situation.

 

suppose i have burnt my hand, the skin sends the signal to the

brain and the brain finds it horrible and tells the mind.. and the

mind reacts with hate and opposition to the burn... this we call pain.

 

so pain is pure reaction or a Thought of mind. Since we attach to

mind we feel the pains as ours.

 

If we become sakshi, we will see mind feeling the pain, not

us.... or we change the thought pattern of mind the pain will become

pleasure.

 

So pain is for the mind not for jeevatma...and certainly not for

God.... it is a transitory emotion generated by mind

 

Aum

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JAI SRI KRISHAN ,JAI SRI RAM

 

THANKS AUM AND SHANTANU SIR

 

i understand it . but then exacly what is the significance of this

world. ham baar baar ghoom phir kar vahin paunch jate hain kaisi hai

yeh lila prabhu .

 

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RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

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JAI SRI KRISHAN ,JAI SRI RAM

>

>>

> If we become sakshi, we will see mind feeling the pain, not

> us.... or we change the thought pattern of mind the pain will become

> pleasure.

>

> So pain is for the mind not for jeevatma...and certainly not for

> God.... it is a transitory emotion generated by mind

>

 

>

Sir ji

 

doubt is again created in my mind i must tell you i think.

 

i think here " we " word is jeevatma i suppose please clearify if you

have other meaning in your mind

when we become sakshi ie independent of mind then we do not feel pain

means when jeevatma is not with the mind then jeevatma does not sense

the pain . it is obvious

 

but when jeevatma is with the mind then jeevatma senses the pain

through the mind . this is also one possibility.

 

secondaly you have written that when we become sakshi then we see....

 

is it possible to see the pain.i think no because i have not seen like

that till now even i think in case of OBE people say

 

 

thirdly i think in five koshas mind is related to the manomaya kosha

and jeevatma with the anandmaya kosha

 

Sir please do not mind my doubts , i know it would not create any

disturbance in your mind but you will think on the points raised by me.

 

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Jitenji,

 

Let me too comment n this,

 

If we see what makes jivatma, it is wriiten in

Dasbodh, by Samarth Ramdas, Guru of Shivaji,

 

Jivatma = atma (soul)+ antahakaran chtustyay

 

soul is cosmic energy which we call as supreme as well

as status of supe consiousness.

 

while antahkaran chatustaty has four things blended

with, they are " manobudhdhichittahankar " they are

1)mind 2)Budhdhi(Intellect) 3)chitta ( the impressions

of births together 4) ahankar (the devine ego which is

root cause of birth " Its " I am " status.

 

Whne these four things are left only atma(paramatma )

remains.

 

so attachment of these four makes and creates sense of

pain and or pleasure to soul. The combined result is

the person is happy or unhappy.

--- jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

 

>

> JAI SRI KRISHAN ,JAI SRI RAM

> >

> >>

> > If we become sakshi, we will see mind feeling

> the pain, not

> > us.... or we change the thought pattern of mind

> the pain will become

> > pleasure.

> >

> > So pain is for the mind not for jeevatma...and

> certainly not for

> > God.... it is a transitory emotion generated by

> mind

> >

>

> >

> Sir ji

>

> doubt is again created in my mind i must tell you

> i think.

>

> i think here " we " word is jeevatma i suppose please

> clearify if you

> have other meaning in your mind

> when we become sakshi ie independent of mind then we

> do not feel pain

> means when jeevatma is not with the mind then

> jeevatma does not sense

> the pain . it is obvious

>

> but when jeevatma is with the mind then jeevatma

> senses the pain

> through the mind . this is also one possibility.

>

> secondaly you have written that when we become

> sakshi then we see....

>

> is it possible to see the pain.i think no because i

> have not seen like

> that till now even i think in case of OBE people say

>

>

>

> thirdly i think in five koshas mind is related to

> the manomaya kosha

> and jeevatma with the anandmaya kosha

>

> Sir please do not mind my doubts , i know it would

> not create any

> disturbance in your mind but you will think on the

> points raised by me.

>

> HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE

> HARE,HARE RAM ,HARE

> RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

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> but when jeevatma is with the mind then jeevatma senses the pain

> through the mind . this is also one possibility.

 

Jitendarji, after we become Sakshi, we dont become like stones,

uncaring & unfeeling. In fact, Yogis feel more pain & pleasure than

ordinary people, as their senses are working at 100% capacity, while

the rest of us are distracted so much by external world, we dont even

work at half that level.

 

In fact, a Yogi feels more than ordinary person, only thing is, they

dont react like we do. They dont say I am in pain, but my body is in

pain. This objectivity allows them better to heal themself.

 

If I hit you, along with pain, you will also feel anger, & you would

waste half your energies fighting with me. A Yogi, on the other hand,

knows that I hit his body, not him, so he will just laugh & move on.

 

> thirdly i think in five koshas mind is related to the manomaya

>kosha and jeevatma with the anandmaya kosha

 

I think the Jivatma is even behind Anandmaya Kosha, but Im not sure.

Perhaps Babaji will enlighten.

 

>but then exacly what is the significance of this world

 

There are many explanations. I think Aurobindos is best. He says the

Jivatma, which is identical to Paramatma(Universal Soul- called Shiv,

Brahm, Narayan), decides to descend into the world of ignorance, &

then evolve spiritually, back to its original state of pure bliss.

This Jivatma is practically similar to Paramatma, except it thinks of

itself as individual. Sri Aurobindo & Tantra both say this final jump-

from Jivatma to Paramatma, can only occur with grace, not effort.

 

But this grace is only given to those who have developed themselves

completely- from mind, Buddhi, Pran, emotions etc. The Jiva has to

evolve fully into a perfected being, & must have Love & Surrender,

before this grace is given.

 

love

Shantnu

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JAI SRI KRISHAN ,JAI SRI RAM

 

thanks to uday Sir, Johary Sir, Shantanu Sir for sharing the

knwoledge. but who is Kapila , please could you tell me some story of

Kapil sage or yogi

 

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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Dear Shantanu,

 

Namaste!

 

Thank you for such a nice lucid explanation. I am very happy to

read this explanation. It made my day.

 

Thanks once again.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

> But this grace is only given to those who have developed themselves

> completely- from mind, Buddhi, Pran, emotions etc. The Jiva has to

> evolve fully into a perfected being, & must have Love & Surrender,

> before this grace is given.

>

> love

> Shantnu

>