Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Namaste, In recent materialist times, Vedic symbols and knowledge have gotten corrupted, & dumbed down to their lowest denominator. Yoga has been reduced to physical jerks. Tantra has been reduced to prostitution. Vedant has been reduced to intellectual debating. Lets take Yoga 1st. Recently someone took offence when I said Yoga had become a health fad. Some people are even more offended when they are told Yoga is a part of Hinduism. Academics point to the fact that Yoga Sutras dont mention Hinduism anywhere, so they have nothing to do with Hinduism. By this definition, no book is " Hindu " since no Hindu book mentions the word " Hindu " . Yoga was introduced to the West by Vedantis like Vivekanada, Yoganand, who introduced it as Yoga-Vedant. But the Vedant part has been removed out now. Most westerners have a image of Hindus as backward, superstitious, idol worshipping people, an image constantly reinforced by the media. The word Vedant has been stripped from Adwait Vedant too, there is a new " Adwait " movement, that similarly distance themself from Hinduism(read about it on http://www.vedanet.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=category & sectionid=1 & id\ =12 & Itemid=2) Tantra is the most corrupted form. George Fuerenstien says " Most of what passes for Tantra would be better termed sex education in the best case, & prostituition in the worst " . Academics go out of their way to show the Vedas & Tantras are incompatible, a claim easily refuted. Ayurveda, which like Yoga, aimed to heal the body/mind/spirit, has been reduced to simple herbology. When Yogi Ramdev dared to say he could heal any disease with Ayurveda, he was attacked by everybody from doctors to politicians & called a quack & a sorcerer. But if Westerners & Western materialism is the reason of decline of vedic arts, the Knight in shining armor for Vedas are also westerners. At the moment, the people most doing to present Vedic knowledge into its pure form are westerners like David Frawley, George Furenstien, Robert Svoboda, Stephen Knapp etc, while Indians happily read & teach from books written by people who wanted to oppress & convert them. Indians are so full of Tamogun you cant expect any action from them -good or bad(like posting a message). So take Ayurveda. In India its taught as a poor mans version of Western Medicine. Compared to this, westerners like Frawley & Svoboda teach Ayurveda with knowledge of Mantras, gems, aromatherapy(as healing subtle body is easier than physical body). They also teach Astrology, as many diseases may have karmic basis. They teach correct diet and Asans, as most disesases are due to peoples poor lifestyle. They teach Ayurveda in a Vedantic framework, not something separate from it. The people most to blame for decline of Vedic knowledge are Indians themselves. Most Indians have heard Vedas are our main books, but fail to explain why. They think(even people who have studied Gita, Upanishads & hence are knowledgable) that the Vedas are backward books of useless rituals. What they dont know, these rituals are just 1 level to understand the Vedic knwowledge. So Indra is the power of the Divine Mind, that bursts clouds of ignorance & causes rain storm of Divine wisdom, & not just the God of rain he has been reduced to. Agni is the spark of Divine awareness, that when fed with Sadhna & Bhakti, goes into heaven & brings all other Gods down, & not just chemical fire. All the later Puranic & Tantric rituals were extensions of Vedic ones, & not opposed to them. Like Sita is actually a Vedic Goddess, who was worshipped long before Ramayan was written. Yet how many Hindus know this? I will write something on the hidden symbology of the Vedas soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Dear Shantanu, Namaste! That posting can be termed as " WOW " and I am sorry i don't know any other words to describe it. A few days back in reply to Aum's posting i had said both Aum and Yours BRIHASPATI in the horoscope must be well placed which ofcourse does not mean to rob your credit for brilliant posting. I WAS RIGHT. Eagerly waiting for the balance report. With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > Namaste, > > In recent materialist times, Vedic symbols and knowledge have gotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: > > , shanracer <no_reply@> wrote: > Yessss and i fully support shri sudhakarji...this is really a piece of wisdom and indepth knowledge. Waiting for second part Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: any other words to describe it. A few days back in reply to > Aum's posting i had said both Aum and Yours BRIHASPATI in the LOL... thanks sudhakarji...and to pigeonhole me too.. tell me where our guru must be placed.. my lagna is kanya, so is shan's just for a little fun.. aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: Dear Aum, Namaste! Honestly i do not know anything about astrology. Whatever i have written is something i have heard and not studied. Numerology yes, a brief outline i know that is all. By the way my lagna is Kanya too and my rashi is Mithuna. My nakshatra is PUNARVASU and in my horoscope Ketu is in the twelth house from Lagna. They say that is Moksha Stan. They also say Swami Ramakrishna Paramahansa had also similar placement. Maybe, that is why i took to yoga and meditation as fish takes to water. Who knows but this should be my last birth and then no more incarnation - I sincerely hope so though some do say Ketu in 12 house does not necessarily mean Moksha or last birth. To pigeonhole you and Shaan it is really difficult because i don't know astrology, but to make a wild guess perhaps yours GURU must be in the 6th house from lagna. Am i right by any chance? With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 > To pigeonhole you and Shaan it is really difficult because i > don't know astrology, but to make a wild guess perhaps yours > GURU must be in the 6th house from lagna. Am i right by any > chance? Sudhakarji, my Guru is in 2nd house, which isnt a spiritual position at all.... but spirituality is decided by more than position of Guru. In a way, all the planets are spiritual. Venus represents Bhakti, Mars Yogic discipline, esp Tantric & Shaktic Yoga, Moon represents devotion & surrender to the Divine. The sun represents Gyan Yoga. As important as Jupiter is Saturn, which represents the power to go beyond materialistic pleasures, & have equality in all states, pain & pleasure. In fact, a good Saturn is as important as good Jupiter. love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 ShanJI, You seem to be a little VIVEKANANDA to me, Furious, point blanc, hitting the bull's eye every time. You spoke out the feelings and thought of many Hindus who are either unable to or neglecting or afraid or lack of knowlege for speaking on this subject. I am blessed to be in the company of You, BabaJI and many other great souls in here. Shivaya Namah Aum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > Venus represents Bhakti, Mars Yogic discipline, esp Tantric & Shaktic > Yoga, Moon represents devotion & surrender to the Divine. The sun > represents Gyan Yoga. As important as Jupiter is Saturn, which > represents the power to go beyond materialistic pleasures, & have > equality in all states, pain & pleasure. In fact, a good Saturn is as > important as good Jupiter. wow...if all planets are spiritual then is there a way to know if the person will be highly spiritual or not or will attain moksha Do you know any such yoga.. I saw the kundali of Paramhansa, vivekananda, Ramna etc but could not really find one single rule which confirms the spiritual inclination . any advice from any one ?? Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 > I saw the kundali of Paramhansa, vivekananda, Ramna etc but could > not really find one single rule which confirms the spiritual > inclination . any advice from any one ?? Neither have I found any rule which can tell if a person will find moksha or not. I read 1 or 2 books on spiritual astrology, but they seem to repeat the same stuff, usually showing their own Guru getting Moksha, & those who dont follow their Guru getting stuck in hell. One book said that Vivekanand wouldnt get Moksha, even though he had very good combinationss, because he didnt follow a certain Guru! There are combinations for spirituality, but I have seen them in complete atheists, while spiritual people have none. Some astrolgers seem to show why Vivekanand/Ramakrishna got moksha, but their explanations seem forced, & I dont think they can be used for future prediction. Take Jupiter in 12th house rule. The ascendant stays same for 2 hours, which means at any one time, Jupiter will in 12th house for 2 hours. Does it mean the 1000s of children born during that time will all get moksha? Rather the whole chart has to been seen. The planets represent certain energies, & it is upto the person how he uses those energies. Venus represents sensous pleasures in its lower form, but Divine Love in its higher. Which of these 2 energies the Sadhak uses depends on his spiritual development. Mars represents fiery, angry energies in its lower form. But in its higher form, it represents complete devotion to a cause. Martian energies are those which dont let logics/emotions stop them from reaching their goal-like a good soldier, they do their duty no matter what happens. Hanumanji represents this type of energy, so Tuesday is his day, as well as Mars day. Jupiter represents wisdom, but in his lower form he represents indulgence. Jupiter is shown as a slightly overweight man- due to fact a poor Jupiter makes one indulge in everything- food, drink, materialism. Now 12th house represents Moksha, but it also represents sexual bliss(which is like moksha for most people). So Jupiter in 12th may mean a highly advanced Sadhak, or it may mean someone who indulges in sex. Vedic astrology is a highly intuitive science, & cant be dumbed down to a few simple rules(the way western has been- Aries men shouldnt date Taurus women etc). Like I said- the planets just represent energies. How the Sadhak uses those energies is upto him. Like everything else in life, it comes down to a play of energies, Shakti, the Divine Mother. love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Dear Shantanu, Namaste! Thanks for insight into true meaning of planets. With warm wishes Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > Neither have I found any rule which can tell if a person will find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > Dear Shantnu After reading your last posts, I have become dumb, have no word to express my feelings. Simply great. Waiting to have more Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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