What will survive the Death ??

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We certainly lose our body after death.. but what really survives the

Death. For example do we retain our personality as in this life ?

If personality remains how long do you think we keep this persona

before taking birth ?

 

When we take next birth...what of this birth will remain with us,

besides our karmas ?? Where does the gross memory go ?

 

i asked this question on YA but could not get deep replies...

shanracer, sudhakar,farah and all other sadhakas what are your views on

this ?

 

Aum

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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> When we take next birth...what of this birth will remain with us,

> besides our karmas ?? Where does the gross memory go ?

>

 

we retain followings

 

1. destiny + karmas for the next birth

2. (astral ,casual , Turia )*(body,senses ,mind ,

intellect ,consciousness and ego)

3. Tiny star

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHN ,HARE HARE,HARE

RAMA ,HARE RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

>

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

> When we take next birth...what of this birth will remain with us,

> besides our karmas ?? Where does the gross memory go ?

 

Babaji, at death, only our physical body dies. The astral

body(pranmaya & manomaya bodies) and causal body(Vigyan & Anandmaya)

remain. Since personality and most memories are in astral body, they

remain.

 

After death, most people go to the Land of Ancestors(Pitri Lok). This

is what most religons mistakenly call " heaven " . Here they meet their

relatives, all their desires are fulfilled- they can create anything

they want by thought alone. But this isnt heaven- which is even beyond

it. Only people who had very Sattwic minds can reach their. In heaven,

they get actual powers to rule Universe, like cause rain etc. Some

people, who were very Tamsic, cant even reach Pitri Lok, & get stuck

in lower " hellish " worlds where other spirits harass them.

 

The time they spend in Pitri Lok varies, but can be 300-500 years for

most people. Some people, who have very strong materialistic desires

are born immediately. It varies on many things. If you had ordinary or

bad karma, you can take birth easily in Kaliyug. If you good Karma

however, you might have to wait longer, maybe thousands of years.

 

After a period of about 300-500 years, the personality and memories of

that personality of the souls in Pitri Lok starts dissolving(as a

side note- thats why in Vedic rituals we pray to 7 anscestors- as they

are usually still there in Pitri Lok,waiting for re-birth, and can

help us if we ask nicely).

 

When this personality dissolves completely, a batch of Karmas

automatically comes up, & a new personality is created to fulfill

them. So if you are destined to die young, a very weak body maybe

created, & the soul will be born in a poor family where it wont find

proper treatment.

 

There is another exception- advanced Yogis- they shoot straight

through Pitri Lok and even heaven, & go straight to causal worlds.

Here they meet other advanced souls. These Master Yogis then themself

choose which karma they want to destroy, & create their own body,

instead of this being forced on them, as for normal people.

 

This cycle continues for normal people- karma being burnt up, then new

Karma coming up to be destroyed, then a new body created, that body

dying, & so on ad infinitum. This continues till they get a very

strong desire to leave all this & merge back into God. They must

maintain such a desire over many births, before a Higher force

notices. After that, all becomes automatic, as the Higher Force takes

over their Karma, & starts leading them upwards towards moksha.

 

love

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

thanks shantnu, this was very clear. In one book written by anil

sharma, he claims that at the moment of death the next birth is

decided.. how far it may be.

 

I dont know if this is true or not, but seems interesting. If next

birth is indeed decided at the time of death, then the transitions to

heavens etc becomes futile ?

 

Aum

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

Dear Aum,

 

Namaste!

 

At the moment of death next birth is decided depends and it does not

apply to all. For instance at the time of death if your thoughts

are in this sansar instead of being on God you do get immediate

birth again in this sansar but yamdoots do come and take you to

Yamraj and the court is always in session. There when your deeds

are read you never contradict because you know it is your DAMN DARN

truth and no need for any lawyers. There it is decided to place you

in hell or heaven as per your individual karma.

While being sent back to earth your memory is wiped clean atleast

in 99.9 percent cases. Exception to the rule is always there which

accounts for the sensational stories but it is .01 percent.

Remember our sinchit karma is still there and a portion of it is

passed on while taking new birth and the cycle continues. Only when

you get KAMIL MURSHID (realised master)then at the time of death

there is no yamdhoot but your own master in his astral form comes

to take you back and now all the karmic account of yours is with

him and he decides where to place you in astral region or send you

back to earth (again depends upon your temperament) though usually

for sansar lovers he sees that no more then four human births are

given and if you have thoughts about god and master at the time of

death you are never given birth again that is why it is necessary

and advantageous to do SIMRAN (repetition of god's name as given

by the master) so you are never swayed at the time of death to this

Nashwanth sansar.

Ofcourse if you have meditated regularly and made progress you know

in advance what is the time of your death and where you will be

placed for further advancement. But it is more advantageous to wipe

out our sinchit karma here on earth rather than astral region

because the duration here is less than there in the astral region.

 

With warm wishes,

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

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> , shanracer <no_reply@> wrote:

In one book written by anil

> sharma, he claims that at the moment of death the next birth is

> decided.. how far it may be.

>

> I dont know if this is true or not, but seems interesting. If

next

> birth is indeed decided at the time of death, then the transitions

to

> heavens etc becomes futile ?

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

In one book written by anil

> sharma, he claims that at the moment of death the next birth is

> decided..

 

 

My dear wise brothers & sisters,

 

Good evening to you all! I have not had a spare minute to myself

recently... good to be back though. Im hoping you are all well & full

of energy & inspiration.

 

Im rather confused with this concept. How could anyone decide on their

next birth at the time of death from the last one? I thought there was

a lengthy process to go through before making such an important

decision. How can you skip that process & why would you want to skip it

even if you could? Isn't this a vital part of our progress & learning?

 

With love

 

Farah

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> Im rather confused with this concept. How could anyone decide on their

> next birth at the time of death from the last one? I thought there was

> a lengthy process to go through before making such an important

> decision. How can you skip that process & why would you want to skip

>it

> even if you could? Isn't this a vital part of our progress & learning?

 

Farahji, most people go through death the same way they go through

life- in blind hypnotism, without being aware of their actions.

 

People who are not aware when they are alive, & let their blind habits

& karma lead them by the nose, how do you expect them to be aware when

they are dead, & make any significant decisions then?

 

As such, they have little or no say of their next birth- it is chosen

for them, usually by mechanical Prakriti or nature.

 

love

Shantnu