Question-22 nature and me

[Guest guest]

> Why nature attracts me . i want be be the spectator of the nature ,

>but Maan does not allow me to leave Herself .She attracts me . Main

 

We owe a debt to Nature, Shakti. It is with her blessing that we are

born. We owe our bodies, mind, intelligence, life force to her. In

fact, they belong to her- we just take them for our own.

 

As such, instead of fighting Shakti, try to surrender to her, & follow

the flow. Shakti is too poweful for you to fight- she puts even

Narayan(the Cosmic Man) to sleep, so what chance do we have?

 

Theres a river flowing- in which there are 3 pieces of paper floating.

The 1st says that the river is God & worships it. The 2nd says there

is no river, it only seems that way. The 3rd says that the river is

evil & it has enslaved us, & we have to fight it & escape.

 

Now the river doesnt know of the 3 pieces, & is flowing peacefully

towards the Ocean which is its home. The one fighting the river is as

stupid as one who says river doesnt exist. Worshipping it doesnt have

much affect, as the river will take all 3 papers to the river anyway.

 

There is a 4th piece of paper- who thinks he isnt a paper, but the

whole river. He doesnt worry about going anywhere, even merging in the

sea, as he knows the river is already merged in the sea at one end,

even while she is merged with the mountain at the other.

 

The 4th paper is really enjoying himself, he isnt worried about

fighting anyone, going anywhere, reaching anywhere. That paper is the

level we have to reach- the Being of pure truth,consiouss, bliss.

 

love

Shantnu

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> We owe a debt to Nature, Shakti. It is with her blessing that we

 

thanks Sir ji

 

it is very much helpfull for me also it will be helpfull for so

many

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE ,HARE

RAMA ,HARE RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

Dear Jitendra,

 

Namaste!

 

You have posted, nature attracts you and you want to be a spectator.

This fact was put by an english poet as follows: What is this Life,

full of care, we have got no time to stand and stare. Stand and stare

as long as sheeps and cows go grazing by. As Shaanji said we all are

attracted to nature which is natural but who has time. Therefore

as i had posted while addressing Deito's comments that being spiritua

does not mean you have to be poor. So what is the solution? Simple,

earn more money and then BINDAAS stay with nature. In fact you can

have your cake and eat it too by living near nature and meditating.

Osho rightly said, rich man can meditate better than poor man. He can

take break every six months and go and stay at resort and spend time

in nature and meditate. Alternatively he can also have his own rose

garden so he/she can sit there and meditate and be with the nature.

 

Another factor is Naam Japa which will give you permanent bliss

always but as Kabir Saab said, RAM RAM SAB KOHI KAHE, DASHARATH

KAHE NA KOHI. EK BAAR DASHARATH KAHE, KOTIYAGNA FAL HOYA.

 

Hope this helps you and GOOD LUCK.

 

With warm wishes,

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

>

> > Why nature attracts me . i want be be the spectator of the nature ,

> >but Maan does not allow me to leave Herself .She attracts me . Main

>

 

 

All those who refuted the world as Maya were stuck up in Maya and could

not get out of it.

 

Even great sages like Vishmitra were stuck up in this Maya.

 

Try to not fight... not even think of leaving anything... This world

is the body of our Beloved God...respect it and love it.

 

By accepting Maya ...it turns to Mother and shows us the path to

divinity

 

Aum

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RAM RAM

 

Sudhakar ji thanks , aapki hindi bhi ati uttam hai

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE,HARE RAMA ,HARE

RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

>> Osho rightly said, rich man can meditate better than poor man. He can

> take break every six months and go and stay at resort and spend time

> in nature and meditate. Alternatively he can also have his own rose

> garden so he/she can sit there and meditate and be with the nature.

>

>

 

Dear brother Sudhakar

 

I must speak up here & say I disagree with you & Osho completely.

 

In my opinion, how 'well' a person meditates has nothing to do with how

much money they have, how many holidays they can afford, or where they

sit whilst doing their meditation. The person who can meditate better &

gain the most from their meditation, is the person who has awareness,

focus & the ability to reach the no thought state, wherever they are.

They could be sitting in the middle of a busy city, or sitting in the

middle of the quiet countryside. Likewise, the person with the busy

mind & lack of focus - with heaps of money, regular holidays & their

own rose garden - no matter how hard they try, they will get further &

further from that which they are seeking.

 

We can all find our own rose garden & it doesn't cost a penny to get

there because its inside.

 

With love

 

Farah

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Farah,

 

Namaste!

 

Nice to see you back. Trust the cold English weather does not

prevent you from practising your Hatha Yoga.

 

In my posting what i meant by being rich was you don't have to

worry for all your financial needs or from where the next meal

is going to come from. And then if you are spiritually inclined

you will find the worry free atmosphere makes it easier for you

to meditate. Maybe i should have mentioned SPIRITUALLY INCLINED

PEOPLE.

 

From 1985 till today not one i repeat not one person is interested

in doing meditation. They do hatha yoga helplessly due to health

problem but for meditation it is a big NO and they feel it as a

wastage of time.

 

Forget others i will take my own example.

Please, self praise stinks and i am the last

person to do it but to make my point i am revealing

these things. I used to meditate for 1/2 hour to

1 hour which is OK but true meditation should be starting

at 3 hours. I couldn't but as financial position improved

i can now sit at a stretch worry free for three hours but

i would love to do more but i have to give yoga classes by

6.45 a.m. and complete my own morning ablutions etc., which

makes it difficult to give more time. I know many others would

love to do that but financial worries restricts them and rich

are not bothered at all. So the criteria is spiritually inclined

would love to have cozy worry free atmosphere for meditation.

Ofcourse you can meditate anywhere and exception to the rule is always

there and many do meditation from 5 to 30 minutes but that is no

meditation.

 

The true meditation starts at minimum 3 hours and this you can

do only if you are financially rich and spiritually inclined

otherwise there are many rich but they can hardly give even five

minutes. It is in this context i had said otherwise you will find

many saints who were poor spent hours and hours in meditation.

Many left their families to take up meditation (Swami Vivekanand

was in a dilemna on this and therefore requested his master to

improve his financial position so that he could be assured his

mom and others are looked after so that he could BINDAAS *WORRY FREE*

concentrate on his meditation) in proper earnest but we in

present times cannot do it. e.g. Saint Tukaram stayed away

from his wife and spent more time in meditational bliss and the

loving wife who though use to fight regularly with him to keep the

house running would take meals in tattered clothese and barefooted.

 

We cannot do this but if i am into really more money (I know i

sound greedy) i am going to quit my morning yoga teaching session

and devote 6 hours in true meditation.

 

Anyway i hope i have been able to make something clear to you.

 

 

With warm wishes,

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

> Dear brother Sudhakar

>

> I must speak up here & say I disagree with you & Osho completely.

>

> In my opinion, how 'well' a person meditates has nothing to do

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> >

 

While i fully agree with farah that money does not help in

meditation.. but we must not forget that money is goddess Laxmi, the

most powerful shakti in Kaliyuga.

 

If a person is stuck up in earning daily bread and looking after his

family, he will not be even able to think of meditation.

 

in our aum group in delhi 2 years of meditation first brought

comforts for all of us... enough money to spare for children and a

carefree life.

 

Mother Nature, first fulfils the karmic debts by giving enough money

to a sadhaka so that he is free from worries of the material world

and continue on his path

 

Reverse of this however is not true... not necessarily every rich

man will go towards god.

 

In fact nature never makes a sadhaka extremely rich...as lot of

money brings the Hypnotism of comforts making people forget about

god.... mother only gives enough comforts to make a sadhaka free

from useless worries..

 

Aum

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

> From 1985 till today not one i repeat not one person is interested

> in doing meditation. They do hatha yoga helplessly due to health

> problem but for meditation it is a big NO and they feel it as a

> wastage of time.

>

 

Dear Sudhakar

 

Thankyou for your post. Yes you have made your thoughts clear, but

now I disagree with you even more! Dear oh dear... let me share my

thoughts with you...

 

You have made some sweeping statements about huge groups of people my

brother. How can you say that since 1985 " no-one is interested in

doing meditation?! " Of course lots of people are interested in

meditation, probably more than ever in my opinion, but I dont have

any facts or figures to offer you.

 

You say that people do hatha yoga 'helplessly' due to a health

problem & see meditation as a waste of time. Im shocked to hear such

a disrespectful comment from a yoga teacher. It is your job to help

your students with their asanas, pranayama & meditation - in a way

that they can manage to the best of their ability, at that time, on

that day, taking into account whatever health concerns they have or

how they are feeling on that day. To describe anybody as doing

it 'helplessly' is rather condescending Sudhakar. It is your job to

offer them help. You cant expect to offer yoga classes & get a room

full of perfect people, with perfect health, performing the perfect

postures. People come to you with what they have & its up to you to

help them work with that.

 

You also say that 'true' meditation should start at 3 hours & that

meditation for 5 to 30 minutes is 'no meditation.' In my opinion,

this is not only inaccurate, but very off putting to anyone who is

either new to meditation, or who cannot (for whatever reason)

meditate for this long. How on earth could you say to someone " we're

going to do some meditation now & Im warning you we'll be still &

silent for 3 hours, because any less than that just isn't true

meditation. " My dear brother, this is rubbish. Meditation for 3 hours

is wonderful, but its not completely necessary. Meditation for 3

hours is very beneficial, but half an hour here, half an hour there &

5 minutes on the bus is just as good. For most ordinary, busy people

it certainly will be 5 minutes here & half an hour there & that's

fine.

 

As for your continued comments on the rich & poor! Goodness me! You

say " the rich are not bothered at all " ..... " you can only do 3 hours

of meditation if you are rich " ...... " many would love to but

financial worries restrict them. "

 

Let me say this - a person's " spiritual inclination " as you put it,

or their ability to meditate, has nothing to do with how much money

they have. It's that simple. I know very wealthy people who

ARE " bothered " about meditation. I also know wealthy people who are

not bothered in the slightest. The same goes for people with much

less money.

 

Im going on a meditation retreat soon, in fact I go on many, it adds

to my daily practice of yoga & meditation.... why not try & guess

which category I belong to my brother? Surely Im " spiritually

inclined " ..... (or maybe not in your opinion)..... am I wealthy or

financially poor? Sometimes I meditate for hours........... (so could

I be wealthy??) But sometimes I only do half an hour here & 5 minutes

there...... (so maybe Im so poor I just dont have time??).... what do

you think? Let that be your task for 10 minutes, try to pigeon hole

me & I'll tell you how accurate you are, it will be a bit of fun....

you can be as presumptious as you like... Im sure you can do that

Sudhakar! :-)

 

With love

 

Farah

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

 

Hello Farah,

 

Namaste!

 

While i respect your right to question the posting but our

argument and counter argument will lead no where.

 

I am teaching a family for the past 20 years. I bring so much

innovations and variety. I go out of the way but they are rich

and not ready to follow. They are simply happy that i come 3 times

a week and they get their share/quota of yogic exercise but it is

never regular. Sometimes they come and sometimes they don't come

but i get paid. My duty is to visit their house, atleast one

member should do yoga. If none turn up i just warm up the chair

and do my meditation and go away when my time is up.

 

Farahaji you come from a background where people are stressful

comparatively to where i live. So i repeat no one is interested

in meditation and no one is ready to compromise in changing food

habits. They hardly do 2 minutes of shavasan because i force them.

 

Just a year back another very rich student accused me that my

yoga teachings did not help and adding he never ate junk food

and did everything i said. I told him to give me one days time and

i would check where i have gone wrong. He least suspected i would

spy on him and same evening i caught him eating junk food and

there i gave a full blast infront of his customer at which he

laughed and said, he was just kidding and wanted me to have a

go at his junk food. I stopped teaching him. He sent feelers and

I refused because when you are a good teacher there is no dearth

of students. My way of teaching is one to one basis. I prefer to

go to their house and teach their family which most of them like

and do not prefer group teaching as they do not want others to

know their ailments, even doing yoga they want to hide. Probably,

if i was in a larger metropolitan city things would have been

different. Now don't ask me which part of the world i live in.

 

Regarding meditation even 1 minute is good and adds up but i

prefer doing full length and that is 3 hours. Now tell me one

thing, in yogic parlance it is said, " AN ASANA BECOMES SIDDHA

IF YOU HOLD IT FOR THREE HOURS " - Does it mean headstand

(shirshasana) should be done for 3 hours to reach siddha state.

I hope to hear from you in this regard.

 

Meantime you have posted: Meditation for 3 hours is wonderful,

but it is not completely necessary. You are wrong maam, my

meditation doesn't involve just cessation of thoughts but

experiencing death while living. The meditation i do is same

what St. Paul said in Bible which " I DIE DAILY " . Jeethey Ji Marna.

To reach that stage the minimum time is 3 hours to get you started

and then when you experience further progress you can actually

stay not for hours but days and weeks without food etc., just

bliss and my aim is that high and for such a stage i need to

give lots of time and not just 5 minutes to half an hour which

is o.k. for stressful life leading people. I don't want that.

 

Now i know you will ask what is that meditation and what i have

experienced etc., Please i won't give you any answers on this

topic.

 

Therefore to sum up if i have to spend more time in meditation

either i have to be rich or abandon my responsibility. I am

therefore not ready to abandon my responsibility which will

be cowardly act therefore i continue to teach. But my goal is

6 hours meditation.

 

I hope this will clear some mist in your understanding of my

posting.

 

To pigeon hole you. You are thin wiry woman full of beans.

A typical Vata prakruti i.e. ectomorph metabolism. Always on

the go. Wants everything done right away. Effervescent, bubbly,

likes to pull legs and always views funny side to every

situation. Given to melancholy too, but bounces back when

it wears off with double vigour. That is more then enough.

I hope there is some truth in what i have presumed. Give your

verdict.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

> Dear Sudhakar

>

> Thankyou for your post. Yes you have made your thoughts clear, but

> now I disagree with you even more! Dear oh dear... let me share my

> thoughts with you...

>

> You have made some sweeping statements about huge groups of people

my

[Guest guest]

Sudhakarji, I agree with you. Yoga has become a fad for getting

perfect bodies, no one is interested in the spiritual side if Yoga.

People,

including so called Yoga teachers seem to think Yoga is just for

health, curing insomnia etc( & thats how its advertised).

 

Yoga asans, which form 2% of Yoga, are taken for whole of Yoga.

 

The super rich or the super poor- both are rarely advanced Sadhaks.

The best Sadhaks come from the middle class, just like the best

revolutionaries, thinkers, soldiers and artists. They have enough

money not to starve, but not enough to become indulgent. Thats why, as

Babaji said, Ma Shakti never allows us to become too rich or too poor.

 

Farah, that was an unnecessarily harsh & personal reply to Sudhakar.

Its clear you didnt understand what he was trying to say.

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

Dear Shaan,

 

Namaste!

 

Thank you for understanding what i was trying to get through.

Please do read my reply to her queries.

 

Thanks once again.

 

With warm wishes,

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

>

> Sudhakarji, I agree with you. Yoga has become a fad for getting

> perfect bodies, no one is interested in the spiritual side if Yoga.

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

 

> member should do yoga. If none turn up i just warm up the chair

> and do my meditation and go away when my time is up.

 

> comparatively to where i live. So i repeat no one is interested

> in meditation and no one is ready to compromise in changing food

 

This is true Sudhakarji. To appear fashionable, many people make

" Gurus " , but dont expect them to actually do anything! The Guru is

just an accessory, like jewelery or imported cars.

 

Thats why many of these Gurus go wrong- they make rich chelas, who

then start dictating terms to the Guru. Pretty soon the Guru is just

another employee of the rich chela.

 

I hope Sudhakarji you arent one of those Gurus? ;-)

 

Shantnu

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

 

> Meantime you have posted: Meditation for 3 hours is wonderful,

> but it is not completely necessary. You are wrong maam, my

> meditation doesn't involve just cessation of thoughts but

> experiencing death while living.

 

 

Dear brother Sudhakar

 

We are not arguing at all. It is perfectly healthy & beneficial to

disagree & express our very different views on any subject, wouldn't

you agree?

 

Im interested that you previously said meditation for anything less

than 3 hours was " no meditation. " Now you say even a minute is good.

Dear brother, you may choose to meditate for 3 hours or more a day,

you may choose to die daily etc. I encourage you, if this is right

for you. My point was that most ordinary people cant, wont, or dont

want to do this - but whatever they can do, is still just as worthy &

beneficial as meditation someone like yourself performs. I know

nothing about yogic parlance, but would say that in my opinion

holding any strong asana for 3 hours should not be recommended.

 

As for your outline of my character, spot on my brother! I laughed

out loud at that! :-) I was, however, asking you to apply your

rich/poor/spiritual inclination assumptions, but not to worry. You

took the task with good humour as I expected you would.

 

If this is arguing, then argue with me any time..... but I trust you

know it's simply two people with different opinions.

 

With love to you as always Sudhakar

 

Farah

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

Yoga has become a fad for getting perfect bodies

 

no one is interested in the spiritual side if Yoga.

 

The super rich or the super poor- both are rarely advanced Sadhaks.

 

The best Sadhaks come from the middle class.

 

 

 

Dear Shantnu

 

I understood perfectly what Sudhakar was saying thankyou, I simply

disagreed with him. He is perfectly capable of receiving my opinions

& commenting on them without any bad feeling on either side. My words

were no more harsh than the sweeping statements he (and you) were

saying about huge groups of people (as above.) These attitudes are

distasteful & I will not leave them unchallenged.

 

I would never encourage anyone to insult any group of people without

very good reason & it is very rare you can ever do this with any

degree of accuracy. Look at your statements above my brother.

Erase " the super rich " & replace it with " hindus " or " men " or any

other group you happen to be a member of. Now how does it feel?

 

With much love

 

Farah

[Guest guest]

> I understood perfectly what Sudhakar was saying thankyou, I simply

> disagreed with him. He is perfectly capable of receiving my opinions

 

Farah, so saying the super-rich are not spiritual is the same as

insulting someones religon?

 

But there is no cause for a fight. If you think I discriminate against

rich people, in the future I will ignore your messages, & appreciate

you do the same.

 

Good day.

 

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Dear Farah, shan and sudhakar,

thanks for this fruitful discussion.

 

There is nothing to be taken personally....and discussing/ not

agreeing is a healthy sign.

 

we can not really generalise, but mainly super rich and super

poors dont go for meditation, as they are in a Bhoga yoni... one

enjoying fruits of his good karma and the other suffering.

 

Still many of the great souls came from these categories. Buddha was

a prinice and a super rich. Tagore was super rich of his times.

Aurobindo from a super rich family...

 

Jesus was from a super poor family, Paramhansa, vivekananda, Ramna

were from poor families...

 

so a bud of love and divinity does not care for its environments.

 

However i do agree that most of the people, specially who are

economically comfortable, have developed " Drawing Room "

spirituality. They read a few books of chopra, krishnamurthy and a

few from Budhism....and take themselves as great gyanis. They argue

on religions, make fun of those who are not gyani but have had a

spiritual experiences. But for their own direct experience they

dont care, as their moto is " I know the Truth " , I am Brahmm etc etc.

 

When i woke up to spirituality same happened with me. I was

almost an atheist till 1992 and then suddenly a storm came into my

life and i was on the verge of breaking down. And then suddenly

Divinity entered my life, as if i woke up from a dream and saw the

reality.

 

By then i had no knowledge of gita, upanishadas, yoga etc and i was

perplexed and trying to find answers as to what I saw was a reality

or hallucinations. some good souls and some good books confirmed by

belief that i had a sudden burst of Truth inside me, due to my last

birth's karmas and my visions etc were not hallucinations.

 

In the same club, i was refuted by " Drawing Room "

spiritualits...using their perfect and impressive English they

refuted all my claims and tried to prove i was the biggest idiot as

i had not read what they read.

 

Yoga is certainly not an exercise for health..although it starts

from there and reaches upto the soul. If people are today taking

and accepting it for health, no harm in it....one day they will use

it for soul too....if not in this birth in next birth.

 

Evolution goes on..and all souls are not on the same step of

evolution...

 

Aum

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

Dear Shantnu,

 

Greetings!

 

I am definitely not that type of teacher. GURU is too high a word

for me and i abhor it when it is prefixed to me. I don't like to be

in limelight so i never advertised. All my students so far have come

from word to mouth advertisement by my students and doctors who

patronise me.

 

Fortunately i am financially well off so i have never been bullied

by these rich students though they have tried and i have dumped

them. They then come crawling back and at that time i hike my

teaching charges and they have no option but pay or remain without

teacher. The one i referred in my posting wants badly that i should

return but i am sticking to my hiked charges and so he is not

ready yet. LAXMI is too powerful to part by these people and i am

not compromising come what may.

 

Anyway forget about me enough said.

 

Thanks for being so concerned.

 

With warm wishes

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

>

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> This is true Sudhakarji. To appear fashionable, many people make

> " Gurus " , but dont expect them to actually do anything! The Guru is

> just an accessory, like jewelery or imported cars.

>

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

Dear Aum,

Namaste!

 

As usual lovely posting. Thanks.

 

With best wishes,

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> Dear Farah, shan and sudhakar,

> thanks for this fruitful discussion.

>

> There is nothing to be taken personally....and discussing/ not

> agreeing is a healthy sign.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " janfarah_strongspirit "

Hello Farah,

 

Namaste!

 

I said even a minute is good for you and people in general but

for me that is insufficient, how you say " peanuts " I WANT MORE.

 

OOOf hope this clarifies.

 

Thanks and best wishes.

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

> > you may choose to die daily etc. I encourage you, if this is right

> for you. My point was that most ordinary people cant, wont, or dont

> want to do this - but whatever they can do, is still just as worthy

&

> beneficial as meditation someone like yourself performs. I know

> nothing about yogic parlance, but would say that in my opinion

>

[Guest guest]

> , shanracer <no_reply@> wrote:

> >

> Yoga has become a fad for getting perfect bodies

>

> no one is interested in the spiritual side if Yoga.

>

> The super rich or the super poor- both are rarely advanced Sadhaks.

>

> The best Sadhaks come from the middle class.

>

>

 

Dear Shantnu

 

If you read your own words (above) you will see that you are insulting

at least 99% of the population. My point was that it is not wise to

make sweeping statements about any group of people. If you insult

someone on the basis of their religion, lifestyle, beliefs, health,

gender - it is not only insulting, but also presumptious & usually

innaccurate.

 

I have no intention of ignoring your posts on here dear brother, any

more than I would want you ignoring mine. It is good to discuss your

thoughts with people who will challenge you & disagree with you from

time to time. There will be learning on both sides & this should be

welcomed. I dont think it is healthy to surround yourself with people

who just agree with you & cast a vow of silence to those who have

expressed a view you do not agree with. My posts will continue & you

are free to comment on them or not as you choose.

 

Sudhakar, that was exactly what I was saying from the very offset -

that maybe 3 hours of meditation is right for you, but not for

everyone. And for the record my brother (as you clearly judge people on

the basis of how long they meditate for) I certainly do more than a

minute each day. To anyone reading this, any meditation practiced with

a loving heart, with sincerity & good intentions is good, worthy &

beneficial no matter 'how long' it is practiced for.

 

" Often people think that 'spirituality' only means big things, that to

be a spiritual aspirant you must accomplish great feats. You should

chant beautifully; you should stand on your head for half an hour; you

should sit for meditation three times a day. These things are

wonderful, but they are not useful if you dont take care of the little,

little things. Spirituality should permeate every action of your day. "

 

" Judging others is an act of the ego; its a kind of arrogance. It means

that you think you're a great person and all the others are fools.

Others may have a problem, but to judge them means that you have at

least one kind of problem yourself, the problem of constantly

criticizing people. You are actually no different from them. Before you

see a mote in their eyes, see the beam in your own eye. "

 

(Both quotes from Sri Swami Satchidananda.)

 

With much love to you all

 

Farah

[Guest guest]

LOL.... one thing is proved u and shan both are intellectuals as

intellectuals dont agree to each other..

 

here most of the discussions, i find that both parties agree on basic

principle and disagree on words used..

 

can we go beyond written words and see the beauty of the soul of the

person ???

 

 

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

> here most of the discussions, i find that both parties agree on basic

> principle

 

 

Dear Aum

 

Ha ha! Now that is funny! So you usually find most people here agree on

basic principles? Oh well....... that must have been way before I came

along then........

 

I always have, still do, and always will have the greatest of respect

for my brothers Shantnu & Sudhakar. I respect them even when I disagree

with them. I respect their differences & welcome their views on any

subject, just as I hope they will welcome mine.

 

Thankyou dearest Aum - we are all souls swimming in the ocean of love.

 

With much love

 

Farah

[Guest guest]

, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

> Ha ha! Now that is funny! So you usually find most people here agree

on

> basic principles? Oh well....... that must have been way before I

came

> along then........

>

 

No farah my dear...even after your arrival things did not change...

and you also joined us in the Ocean of Love..

 

Ocean of Love is more important that any other path. As long was we

have not felt that ocean of love inside us, all our paths and faiths

are just trainings.

 

There is no 7th,8th ir 9th sky waiting for our arrival. Here itself

and now we are enlightened if we feel that immense Ocean of Love,

inside us....some may feel it for a fraction of a second, some for

more time...and those who are always into it are called enlightened.

 

Your arrival has been a boon to this group... so is for sudhakarji

and other learned and wise souls...besies shantnu and balaji, deito,

keshave and other souls who are presently silent.

 

How lucky I am to be in a company of such souls...

 

Thanks to all of you for helping me in my search..

 

Aum