Does Shiv create Shakti...............

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...............or does Shakti create Shiv ??

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> ..............or does Shakti create Shiv ??

>

RAM RAM

 

SHIV CRETAES SHAKTI AND NOT SHAKTI CREATES SHIV

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHNA KRISHAN ,HARE HARE,HARE RAMA ,HARE

RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

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Hullo..

 

Back after a while!!!

 

Shiv and Shakthi are two phases of existance. They are the same. The

division that is apparent creates and sustains the universe.

In tamil there is a saying

 

Shivan illaiyen shakthi illai.

Shakthi illaiyen shivan illai.

 

Which means.. without shiva there is no shakthi and without shakthi, there

is no shiva...

 

Energy and matter are the same, e=mc2 !!

 

Love

 

Bala...

 

 

On 11/19/07, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

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> > ..............or does Shakti create Shiv ??

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> RAM RAM

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> SHIV CRETAES SHAKTI AND NOT SHAKTI CREATES SHIV

>

> HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHNA KRISHAN ,HARE HARE,HARE RAMA ,HARE

> RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

>

>

>

 

 

 

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, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

Welcome Bala.. we were missing your wisdom !!

 

My personal view is that where ever there is a name and a form... it is

handiwork of Shakti.

 

It is shakti which gives names and forms to the consciousness...so as

long as Shiva is " Shiva " it is a work of shakti

 

When shiva is beyond names and forms without attributes.... He is one

with shakti

 

Aum

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Babaji,

 

I too was missing Sadhana.. Family commitments.!!

 

I agree with you. The form and formless exist parallel to each other...

They are never different. Just where the conciousness is when we perceive.

 

Love

 

Bala....

 

 

On 11/19/07, Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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> <%40>,

> " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

> <balachand wrote:

> Welcome Bala.. we were missing your wisdom !!

>

> My personal view is that where ever there is a name and a form... it is

> handiwork of Shakti.

>

> It is shakti which gives names and forms to the consciousness...so as

> long as Shiva is " Shiva " it is a work of shakti

>

> When shiva is beyond names and forms without attributes.... He is one

> with shakti

>

> Aum

>

>

>

 

 

 

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>

> It is shakti which gives names and forms to the consciousness...so as

> long as Shiva is " Shiva " it is a work of shakti

> When shiva is beyond names and forms without attributes.... He is one

> with shakti

 

So actually Shiv is created by Shakti, since giving name to a part of

the Turiya, that is Shaktis job?

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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> >

> > It is shakti which gives names and forms to the

consciousness...so as

> > long as Shiva is " Shiva " it is a work of shakti

> > When shiva is beyond names and forms without attributes.... He is

one

> > with shakti

>

> So actually Shiv is created by Shakti, since giving name to a part

of

> the Turiya, that is Shaktis job?

>

 

It may seem a little odd, but that is truth.... The question itself

is faulty. Shakti is never created, nor it is ever destroyed... this

is even confirmed by the science too

 

Shakti always remains... and sometimes i wonder that the whole act of

creation is actually happening in shakti, with consciousness as its

base plateform.

 

There is no change in consciousness...it is shakti who manifests as

ego on the screen of consciousness and starts manifesting the names

and forms gods and goddesses, cosmos and worlds.

 

So the actual manifestation is of shakti... not of consciousness..

which remains untouched by all this manifestation.

 

Like in me, the ego is shakti the mind is shakti, the body is shakti,

the thoughts the prana everything is shakti....shiva is silently

behind this manifestation.

 

Moksha is for shakti... shiva tattwa in us always in Moksha !!!

 

Aum

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

> It may seem a little odd, but that is truth.... The question

 

>

RAM RAM

 

Thanks Sir ji for great explanation THANKS A LOT

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE,HARE

RAMA ,HARE RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

 

 

 

>

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Idiotic, Disgusting and irritating is this discussion. But interesting

and thought provoking and charring is the act of Maya...

 

The question is meaning less, the answer is meaning less... and all

discussion is utter waste not generating any understanding of

consciousness, other than sin.

 

The same charmer sits there, with his charming face in deep

meditation, and also manifests here, and so nicely uses his associate

to make all believe he is two...

 

thanks to all your greatness, that just believing in this primal

duality created by him is not enough foolishness, that you extend this

foolishness to even debate who is first and who is next , when there

is no two.

 

Do you think soul itself manifests energy or soul had some energy

associated with it ? how can soul own energy, is it is not itself.

 

Can " self " own anything else other than it " self " ?

 

 

in accurate terms, do you think para himself takes a from of Energy ,

or he just has some energy associated with him, which he owns..

 

can god own anything other than himself ?

 

You know why para-Siva is not separated.

 

all of you one exercise if you like, sit in dark room, full dark, as

dark as possible, and meditate on promounciation " para " specially

roots " Ppa " and " Ra^ " and try to feel the inner syllables generating

somewhere near your throat area.. not Lips in case of Pa and neither

tongue in case of " Ra^ " ... for how much time ?, each ones potential

is different.. so, till you see a dis-owning desire in you .. you want

to di-sown, you get a feeling that " Away form everything " .. that

" awayness " ... that something " feeling far away " ...

 

than come and try to study the questions and statements before each

question, than the two statements, and then the two questions, each

time comparing the pairs i have suggested with the alternatively

opposite. question itself is the answer too.

 

-- Deito

 

The pronunciations below can lead you, but i donno if the way is

smooth. SO i have skipped some powerful syllables, but still may be

dangerous if you are thamasic or Rajasic, and lead to wrong invocation

fo pranava, giving intense pain ..

 

so one whose heard has Para is the only safe.. and is suggested to try

the pronunciations..

 

so, the brave ones who feel they are situated in sattva, can surrender

to the Lord, and chant these Beeja's , root seeds .. The order and

seeds are not complete. but purposely left in complete.. the one who

is bestowed, will automatically spell the remaining three seeds and

also will find the correct order.. . The one who found the correct

order, but did not find the remaining syllables, is a soul who is not

bestowed, but still is great.. for such a person chanting this, even

poison is rendered non-poisonous.

 

I have skipped the moola .

 

Lord bless all, may his light Abundantly make things visible. MAy he

be satisfied, who has to really be satisfied.

 

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Nara hari, Siva Hari, para Hari, Chara Hari, ----> Hari tattva

 

Hrim, Ichhaye Krim, Klim Krim, Hrim.. sattva Harim ----> Maya Tattva

 

Swaha, Swa Siva , Sva, Swaam, Sakthim, Srim .. ----> Shiva - sakthi Tattva

 

Nara narayana - Nhrim , Rudra - Drim rim, Hari Bhaava- Hrim - Bhava

----> Rudra, maha Sakthi and Hari Tattva

 

Bhutam - Klim ----> Maha Maya Tattva

 

Para - Pranava - " OM " ----> Pranava/para Tattva

----

 

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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> , shanracer <no_reply@> wrote:

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> > >

> > > It is shakti which gives names and forms to the

> consciousness...so as

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

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> Idiotic, Disgusting and irritating is this discussion. But interesting

> and thought provoking and charring is the act of Maya...

 

Dear Deito your words are very harsh. If you feel we are idiots here

you can leave this club anytime there is no binding upon you...spread

your words of wisdom to intelligent people, for example Aradhana.

 

may god bless you

 

Aum

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>

> Idiotic, Disgusting and irritating is this discussion. But interesting

> and thought provoking and charring is the act of Maya...

>

> The question is meaning less, the answer is meaning less... and all

> discussion is utter waste not generating any understanding of

> consciousness, other than sin.

 

 

Deito ???????

 

I never hoped such words from you. You claim to be the greatest

bhakta and use such words for other wise people ?

 

I really had very high opinion about you before this message

 

you should apologise for this

 

ansuya

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>

> The same charmer sits there, with his charming face in deep

> meditation, and also manifests here, and so nicely uses his

associate

> to make all believe he is two...

>

 

 

Deito, i know most of the vaishvanites hate Shiva and Shakti

concept and try to refute claims.

 

One Parmatma manifests as Shiva and shakti... and they are not

different but two aspects of the same ONE...this we have been

discussing again and again.

 

The apparent division of the consciousness into Shiva and shakti

is a hard fact... and those who refute shakti as Maya reach no where.

 

All those who call this world a Maya... i challenge them stand on

the railway track... and when a train comes let them say it is Maya

nothing will happen.

 

I have seen such people, running away from track even before the

train whistles.

 

What you know can not be absolute truth... nor do I... we are just

discussing different aspects of the same reality.

 

 

Aum

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

> The apparent division of the consciousness into Shiva and shakti

> is a hard fact... and those who refute shakti as Maya reach no

 

Maya Shakti is another name for the Svantantryta (Freedom) Shakti of

Lord Shiv.

 

Some sects like describe the highest reality(or God) as unknowable,

who has nothing to do with our world, or at least a very little, who

stays within himself. This Highest reality sees this world as a dream,

and the goal of sadhna in these philosophies was to see the world as a

dream, as Maya, & hence reject it.

 

To this, the Tantric sects said(also Sri Aurobindo in later times)-

who are we to tell the Highest Divine what He can or cannot do? How

can we set conditions on him- that he cannot/doesnt act in world, this

world is fake for him etc. These Tantric sects said the main factor

that made Shiv Shiv and not Jeev was his Svantantryta (Freedom)

Shakti. He is the only being in the Universe who ahs complete freedom-

rest of us only pretend we do.

 

This freedom includes the freedom to become a limited human being,

suffering under lower Natures onslaught, & still discovering His beauty.

 

Shiv isnt just Sacchinanand, he is also Satyam-Shivam-Sundaram

(Truth-Peace-Beautiful). So the goal of sadhna in Tantra is to see

Shivs beauty in this world of duality, where everything comes in 2s-

pain and pleasure, happiness and sadness, rich & poor. The Tantric

seeks not to run from the world, but to master it and see the beauty

of the creator in everything.

 

The Maya which scares so many people, is Shivs Freedom to create the

world. She looks like Maya from below, but Freedom from above. If we

become Shiv, she automatically becomes our Svantantra ShakAti.

 

So instead of blaming Maya for everything, we should blame ourself.

Those who attack Maya, attack their own True Self.

 

love

Shantnu

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

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>

Dear Deito

 

You seem to be on a very high level. So, you can talk of no duality and

bla bla.

 

But we are normal human beings who are still strugling to meet the two

end of life, bread and butter. In between, whenever we find time we

think of Sadhna and to get the KNOWLEDGE.

 

Therefore, all these questions and answers are most suitable for us.

Of course, you are free to call idiots.

 

Jai Gurudev

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I can apologize any time, b8ut i am unable to find any meaning for my

apology, for those words which were wrote in compassion.

 

and one soul even blamed vaishnavites, when i don't have a sect and

group, he ended up commenting on other group.

 

I simply wrote the structure, which ended at para-siva. .. and people

interpreted differently..

 

and even the final syllable, " OM " i wrote as para tattva... and

nothing more.. lol ..

 

i am again surprised at the act of Maya, in the way content enters

intellect.. seeing the reactions.. lolllz ..

 

i remembered some saying " Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder " ..

so similarly " How one perceives also depends on which mode of

intellect he is being invaded by the powerful time " ..

 

the existence continues..

 

The fastest vehicle in existance, with fuel being ever generated

continues to take Jivas on a ride... lol ... again and again ..

 

The Vehicle is All powerful time.

The Fuel is ever generated karma

The gears are the three afflicting modes, and

the one who is taken for a ride is Jiva..

 

 

lol ... Hari Hari ... but though it doesn't matter, just for

clarification, i have never opposed Shiva-Tattva, and i will never

dare to do that , as Shiva is Narayana being merciful and attaching to

the Matter.. anyways.. tats another story .. Neither i am responsible

nor i am capable... lol ... . Hari rakshamam Hari.. pahimam Hari ..

 

> You claim to be the greatest

> bhakta and use such words for other wise people ?

 

please spare this begger form this sin... lollllz.. " greatest " " wise "

... all these words.. definitely does not suit me.. i donno about you

and even do not want to comment.. but in my case if i was i would have

not been here for sure..

 

God bless all, and when a person gradually is bestowed spectatorship,

his direct comments, make different sense to different ebings.. and

life forms.. never mind, god bless all, and what else.. even i do not

knwo.. okie all ha, now t\its time u p .. .time is precious u see

should not be wasted in such activities.. take care all , bye.. and

this message is for all, but everyone before blinding believing what

one says, please read... because it may make different sense to

different people and some may even catch the real one meant..

 

 

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevlam.

 

 

, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

 

> Deito ???????

>

> I never hoped such words from you. You claim to be the greatest