a question Women and Maya

[Guest guest]

Thanks Aradhana, this is a very important question. I will not name

but some very enlightened souls also said -woman is doorway to hell.

many call her Maya, some call her destructor of Tapas etc. etc.

 

I think this will make a good topic... Is woman really as bad as

many saints painted her as doorway to hell ? why did they say so ?

 

I invite all members to present their views

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Aradhana, this is a very important question. I will not name

> but some very enlightened souls also said -woman is doorway to hell.

> many call her Maya, some call her destructor of Tapas etc. etc.

>

> I think this will make a good topic... Is woman really as bad as

> many saints painted her as doorway to hell ? why did they say so ?

> I invite all members to present their views

 

> AUM

>BABA i ASKED THIS QUESTION BECAUSE i HAVE BEEN NOTICING THIS SINCE A

VERY LONG TIME.I have great faith and respect in scriptures and for

saints.Its all right that they say so about desire or kaam or maaya as

Sudhakar ji has said. But why should woman be the representative of

something that is to be given up or got rid of. Just as Dieto said

women have been able to understand God better during many instances

because they have been able to surrender,serve and relate more easily

for example Saint Mira, or the gopis or even Kubja.

AND DIETO YES I WAS SLIGHTLY CONFUSED BY YOUR ANSWER. SEE WHAT I AM

WRITING BELOW.

One place they say that the saint is one who doesnt distinguish between

chandala, woman or animal.And they say in clear words like the

intelligent sadhaks here that discrimination is to be done away with.On

the other hand they say such things for example a few days back i read

that Kashyapa said about Diti(his wife)- " o even the learned ones

become playthings in the hands of a woman. No one knows a woman-

through her sweet flattering words she might appear to be devoted but

actually she is doing all this to solve her purpose.She should be

subdued and then tamed etc etc " (not exact words but this is what he

said) Now why I wonder should the wortd woman be used for anything that

is lowly or abominable and for inferior qualities such as desire,

ignorance, malice and cuuning. If there havew been women like Radha and

Mira who are examples of spiritiality, love and greatness to all why

they need to be see her as something to be tamed or subdued and guided

by a male into spirituality and better things. Why cant women be seed

as independent entities? Arent women to be respected as Sudhakar ji

said she is the mother?? or wife or whatever?Now just a few hours ago I

read Kabir's statemets

And some say that a woman is great because she loves her children,

husband and nurtures her family. Arent Radha and Mira WOMEN WHO GAVE

EVERYTHING AND DOMESTIC TIES For serving Krishna.This is surrender and

renouncement of the highest kind. Now there are women who have no

relatives arent they women also??Why women be seen as related to

something or the other? Why is her greatness or inferiority always seen

in relative terms?

[Guest guest]

Dear Aradhana, i am no expert in this area, So my dear Sister, I will

just keep what i Believe in front of you.

 

> One place they say that the saint is one who doesnt distinguish

> between chandala, woman or animal.And they say in clear words like

 

Yes great saints should not Distinguish between anyone, and everyone

should be considered as proceeding form the same divine lord, and just

a myriad manifestation of him.

 

BUT, Each soul gets certain capability and powers, depending on there

advancement, spiritually... whcih is there capability..

 

So, Souls born as Female, so called Women, gets some additional

powers, like attracting, see everyday worldwide there may be lakhs of

pairs, involving in sexual material pleasure.. but Till today no one

knows , how that enjoyment comes when you a man feels womens body or

vice versa..

 

same thing wont happen , when we walk holding our mothers hand... when

we walk holding our sisters hand, our teachers hand and so on ..

 

So, Women have this attracting principle, whcih is Gift or Curse of

Maya, means manifest, given to them..

 

This in macro scale is an expansion of Illusion web by Maya, or Maya

Sakthi herself..

 

Also apart form this, Women has been given the power to reproduce,

though nature is introduced by male Ansha, The baby can take birth

only in womens womb, so this is another gift/Curse of Maya to Women,

Because of which there is bondage , love, relation , family etc etc ,

my son , my grandchildren and so on.. else this would have not existed..

 

So, like this so many powers are given to women, And this is same to

males also , who are spiritual.. if we are surrendering very slowly

and we are not able to do rapid and go at the speed of

nature, than we will be born as women , with these powers, and all

others have to be away fomr the clutches of these forces..

 

 

It is same as sayign that is some Male Sadhu is potent after his

Saadhana, and have many " Siddhis " and have NOT YET LEFT DESIRE.. Than

we need to be away form him, as he may misuse us and in the process

pulling us more and more into illusion .. isn't it.. Am i able to make

my point my dear sis..

 

 

> Now why I wonder should the word woman be used for anything that

> is lowly or abominable and for inferior qualities such as desire,

> ignorance, malice and cuuning. If there havew been women like Radha

> and Mira..

 

As i know from the scriptures, It is told that Womens desire is almost

120 ties stronger than that of males, and this implies the desire to

acquire and desire to control and also desire for sex..

 

but always i see males craving for sex more though.. but i do not know

, but as scriptures say there should be something which i am not able

to understand.. it is just an architecture for this soul to take its

course..

 

BUt use of these words is definitely not fit for anyone like mira or

any of that sort, Hari , it is a sin .. very bad sin .. and neither

would heart allow us to use such ..

 

but i guess they only intend to tell taht these are special powers

taht is bestowed to women by nature, so be carefu los these powers of

women , and dont fall pray to this [powers whcih they have/..

 

 

and at last , also please know my dear sister, that this life, i am so

called relatively male, and you are relatively female, but who knows

next life it may be vice versa.. so its just the fruits of our

, or our desire, and usually combination of both ..

 

 

So when i become a women, and you men, and we meet in some cafetaris,

and i use powers given by nature, to attract you, and you see my curvy

body and get attracted, and i while going give you a touch and feel,

and than i ( remember i am woman now ) will pull you into so called

love, whcih is nothign but desire for companionship and lovemaking or

sec in this material world, and you ( remember you are male ) will

fall in love with me, and we will marry and we will have kids and we

will have grand children and we will in this way go on and on and on

into this illusion and what will happen.... we may have some 1000

births more to reach fathers home..

 

LOL..

 

 

Now think i am not there ( remember i am woman ) and you are alone,

and you go home and you read bhagavath gita ad you continue your

, and you get en;lightened,and may be you get liberated the

same life...

 

 

lol

 

 

so they want us to keep away form this.. this means not women but

what they process as gift from nature..

 

 

also one more important truth is that there is not husband and wife

relation in us, in reality, just because Hari is husband and nature

his consort, we ignorant souls want to act like him, and hence this

material world is created, and we are given chance to act like

Relatively male and relatively femal and act as we are getting married

and act as if we are deriving pleasure, which is also illusion .. and

so on ..

 

in reality we all belong to the prakriti of Lord, and lord is husband

of us all.. .i donno how many people will accept this, but for sure

women can understand this better, by there very nature..

 

 

-- Brother Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

[Guest guest]

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

But why should woman be the representative of

> something that is to be given up or got rid of. Just as Dieto said

> women have been able to understand God better during many

 

Kabir, tulsidas, shankracharya and many other saints spoke against

women in a way or the other.

 

First we have to see their audience, before we analyse their

words. What they said and whom they said is more important than the

words. Indian's condition when these saints uttered those words was

horrible. Lust and sex in the name of religious rituals was at the

peak, Kaliyuga had started and people were misguided. The saints

spoke then and advised sadhaka to be away from women...and i agree

with Sudhakar fully, that they actually meant sex and lust by woman.

 

Suppose a saint has a bunch of disciple who have diabetes...and

in his lecture he tells - sugar is poison....dont eat sugar. If

someone gives you sugar refuse and throw sugar in dustbin.

 

Now the saint is giving correct advice to those patients... but

if after 200 years someone reads his book - he will say this saint

is idiot....how can sugar be poison

 

Same goes with their comments on women... they were addressing to an

audience who was lustful and forgotten Dharma. they were advised to

shun sex and women to progress on the path of Truth.

 

Otherwise all those saints were admirer of shakti and had all the

respect for women.

 

Women is the most beautiful creation in the universe, but left

free without Shiva to control...she can create havocs...as then she

becomes uncontrolled Shakti.... and lower shakti's natural tendency

is to go downwards towards Tamoguna

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

RAM RAM

 

> Why do scriptures and some saints like Kabir compare 'woman' to

maaya?

> And say things such as - " she will take you away from love and divine

> knowledge " . Even if its- the word 'woman' ie symbolic reference for

> maaya I cant understand why woman be adressed to denote something

bad

> or inferior.

> Please dont be offended anyone.i ONLY WISH TO BE CLEAR ON THIS ONE.

 

First thing is that Saint Kabir Das is my favourite because i started

my Spiritual journey with Him . He impressed me a lot . esp about love

may be because i had the same experiences in my life may not be liked

by others because of different experiences.

 

secondaly i want to add the question of AUM Sir

 

nari means narak ka dwar

patni means patan ka karan

aurat means .............. you can understand

 

in fact this thing is both , ie wrong as well as right , depends upon

what is the expereince of the person . if a person experienced only

the negative side of the female then he will say the statement given

as above.let me explain it in sort

 

the energy of males lies either with women or with the God , could be

consumed in following ways in respect of female.

 

1. for the attachment because of the females

 

2. for the building up of family hence female is necessary

 

3. for the survival of the universe which could be done only when if a

man utilizes his energy for the survival of the females

 

 

those who have experienced 1st one say the statement (when near to

death)said as above ie nari narak ka dwar,.......ama ye kya ho

gaya ....abe main to loot gaya , barbad ho gaya .... ab kya karein ...

 

those......................2nd one say female is the beautifull

creation of the Lord

 

those who ................. 3rd one say that female is my Mother and

bete ko bara hokar maan ki seva karni chahiye

 

Aradhana ji all the above three statements are the symbol of Maya .

this world is because of the females as the whole power of the world

lies with the females.what is wrong if Saint Kabir Das Ji called as

female as Maya. the Adi Shakti Maan has the shakti of Lord

Shiva .because female has role everywhere in male's life.

 

i have said only about the world as maya and not about the sadhana ,

bhakti , difference between the devotion of the males and

females ........bla bla bla . so please do not confuse with anything .

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE ,HARE

RAMA ,HARE RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

> Women is the most beautiful creation in the universe, but left

> free without Shiva to control...she can create havocs...as then she

> becomes uncontrolled Shakti.... and lower shakti's natural tendency

> is to go downwards towards Tamoguna

>

> Aum

>

 

Dear Aum is it not male chauvinistic way to say that women should be

controlled by men, otherwise they are dangerous ?

 

ansuya

[Guest guest]

> Women is the most beautiful creation in the universe, but left

> free without Shiva to control...she can create havocs...as then she

 

> Dear Aum is it not male chauvinistic way to say that women should be

> controlled by men, otherwise they are dangerous ?

 

Anusuyaji, Aum doesnt say women should be controlled by men, he says

women should be controlled by Shiv.

 

Tantra accepts women have more power than men, but if you accept they

have more power, you also have to accept they can do more damage with

that power. Since most women( & men) are Tamasic, they will use their

energies for Tamoguni purposes. Since men(by default) have little or

no psychic power they dont face this problem.

 

We all have a female part & a male part. The female part is everything

we know to be ours- body, mind, ego, karmas, chitta, even the so

called " soul " . The Male part(or something is very close to it) is the

silent witness, who merely watches, & gives His silent affirmation to

all actions. This silent witness is very close to Shiva(or Krishna)

state, & this is what can be used to control shakti.

 

You must have heard of Apsaras/Rakshases harrassing male Sadhus, but

never female. Why is that? There were female Sadhus(eg Rishi Gargi),

so how come only men were tempted by Apsaras or attacked by demons?

 

The simple reason is- women have too much psychic power, Rakshas have

no chance of taking on a woman. This is another reason some saints

hated women- they were jealous of womens ability to easily bypass

hurdles they themself faced years to cross.

 

But women face their own problems- their high psychic power is misused

for personal fights, ego boosting, rarely for spiritual needs.

 

Men need to learn how to generate power for Sadhna, while women need

to learn how to control the power they already have.

 

Men do this by praying to Devi within them for power. Women do this by

praying to Shiv within them for control of power.

 

love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

> > Dear Aum is it not male chauvinistic way to say that women

should be

> > controlled by men, otherwise they are dangerous ?

>

> Anusuyaji, Aum doesnt say women should be controlled by men, he

says

> women should be controlled by Shiv.

 

 

Yes ansuyaji, shanracer has wonderfully explained it. In gita shri

Krishna tells some qualities of women, and those qualities are of

Krishna.... manifesting in women.

 

So any women having those qualities does not need any control.

Woman is a manifestation of shakti and shakti has two parts Positive

and negative.

 

Control here means, shiva controls the shakti by giving her a house,

children and keeping her in social boundaries so that the psychic

energies she has, she can use them in bringing up the children or

making the society better.

 

 

When the woman starts using her psychic powers ( extra Ardha-kala)

in negative works she becomes evil...and as such is rejected by

saints.

 

Like in 10 Mahavidyas Mother Dhumavati does not have a Shiva to

control, and thus Dhumavati does only negative things, killing

babies, bringing poverty and widowhood etc.... and the moment mother

Dhumavati comes under the control of Shiva, she becomes Kalyani or

Laxmi or Kamla and starts giving good effects.

 

I will hestitate to call it evil, but this is how the Shakti

works in the cosmos...nothing is evil or good just a way of working

which our mind understands as good or bad

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

>Thank you very much baba, Shantanu, Jitendra, Sudhakar ji for the

answers.They will help me to contemplate.

It isnt limited here. Women are also referred to as less intelligent

beings, incapable of moral control, less spiritually inclined, to be

instructed by husband or son etc and not be given independence

otherwise she will stray and so in the Vaishnava literature. Such

generalisations have no real meaning.I am not able to justify those

even though they meant lust and not women.I agree baba that saints were

speaking for cerain type of people but Is the religious literature

meant for male alone!?Why they never said women should avoid man!?

I think such a stereotyping cant be justified and it is a product of

patriarchal outllook of society where women were put under too much

restraint and denied many rights.I am sure Anusuya ji will say the same

thing. Often many times the women are more sacrificing, wise, patient ,

forgiving , serving, loyal and loving in the family. All these are

virtues that are there in a morally or spiritually evolved person

though women these days are more saas bahu soaps type but the general

deterioration is not limited to females , males are highly degraded too

since it is kaliyuga

[Guest guest]

> When the woman starts using her psychic powers ( extra Ardha-kala)

> in negative works she becomes evil...and as such is rejected by

> saints.

>

 

I too liked Shantanu's explanation best.

[Guest guest]

> some very enlightened souls also said -woman is doorway to hell.

> many call her Maya, some call her destructor of Tapas etc. etc.

> AUM

 

 

Namaste.

 

" Woman is doorway to hell " must have been told by those persons/souls

which doesnot want to be born again in this very materialistic world

and are on the path to Moksha. WOMB OF A WOMEN is the only ENTRY to

this world. So in my opinion those saints would have meant it that

way.

Even if an AVATAR is to be born in this world or even if some one

like

KARNAN or VAYUPUTHRAN is to be born in this world even with out

physical contact of a male, needs a MOTHERS WOMB. So spiritually if

you

donot want rebirth those saints must have interpretted that way. Even

in todays sceince a child is born without a physical contact - test

tube baby, needs a mothers womb. ( in a way different but also in

mahabarath - birht Kavravas ).

 

So i mean its nothing to take credit out of women, Shakthi / women

who

are active part, for life to go on in this very world.

 

its just my opinion, as all other posibilities were very well

discussed

by the fantastic people here.

 

Pls correct me if my opinion is wrong.

 

Shivaya Namah Aum.

Thiruchitrambalam.

Senthil.

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Shivaya.

 

This question by AradhnaJi, triggered me another question, what

deeds/karma ( Good or Bad ) makes one to be born as female?? and why??

 

Shivaya Namah Aum.

Thiruchitrambalam.

Senthil.

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

 

> When the woman starts using her psychic powers ( extra Ardha-kala)

> in negative works she becomes evil...and as such is rejected by

> saints.

>

>

Dear Babaji

What is this 'extra Ardha-kala'

Could you please tell us about kala(s).

 

Jai Gurudev

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Shantnu,

 

Wow! That was one hell of a good explanation.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

>Anusuyaji, Aum doesnt say women should be controlled by men, he says

> women should be controlled by Shiv.

>

> Tantra accepts women have more power than men, but if you accept

they

> have more power, you also have to accept they can do more damage

[Guest guest]

, pradeep8_56 <no_reply wrote:

> What is this 'extra Ardha-kala'

> Could you please tell us about kala(s).

>

 

Dear Pradeep the Ardha-kalaa is Matri-Kalaa,

 

I will explain why and how...

 

I do not agree with any of the statement which belittles a woman,

even if it has come from a sacred text, or some saint. Anybody

seeing ugly in her...has ugliness in his own mind. Anybody seeing

her as a symbol of sex...is sexually ill. What I do not understand is

that even our great saints called a woman doorway to hell ? Perhaps

they were not complete... or like I said earlier they were talking

to different audience...not for all.

 

From Cave-men's days, since women were not strong enough for

hunting hence they were asked to remain in the cave and look after

the children and serve the males, who returned tired from hunting.

That cave-man's mentality is still in our mind. And women have

either remained second grade citizens, or if they revolted they tried

to become like Males. This is the main problem of today. A woman

instead of becoming a Woman is trying to be more like Man in the name

of woman liberation.

 

There is one thing called " Kalaa " in Tantra. Kalaa has a very

deep meaning,but just to understand the real meaning we can compare

it with Chandra kalaa. a full Moon has sixteen kalaas. A new moon

has one kalaa, next day it has two kalaas. so we can say a kalaa is

the measurement of awakening in a person.

 

Any common person can not have more than 3 kalaas...the

enlightened souls have upto 5 kalaas. Videha saints can have upto 8

kalaas. Special senders of God are having 9/10 kalaas. from 11 to 16

kalaas are there only in the re-incarnations of God. Shri Krishna

was the only one having all sixteen kalaas.

 

Normal human body can not bear more than 8 kalaas, as it will

disintegrate with so much power.

 

Now whereas a common man can not have more than 3 kalaas, a

women is bestowed with another half Kalaa, thus she has 3 & 1/2 kalaa,

and this half a kalaa is called Matri-kalaa. This extra energy is

given to a woman to bear the child look after and make him strong.

This half kalaa is very powerful and only for this kalaa a mother

(even if it is animal mother)...fights fiercely to protect her off-

springs. This half kalaa when a woman misuses, she can creat havoc.

 

If a woman uses this kalaa for her spiritual benefits, she will

progress so fast that his male counterparts will lag behind.

 

Can we really blame a woman for our downfall. Vishwa Mitra was a

great saint, and was about to reach Brahmrishi's title...when Menaka

the Apsara from heaven came down and sexually aroused him to bread

his Tapas. Vishwamitra resisted and finally gave up...celebrated an

instant honemoon with her and fathered a beautiful baby girl...AND

LOST HIS TAPAS OF MANY YEARS. Who is to be blamed Menaka or the

hidden sexual desires of Vishmitra, who had supressed those desires

for years and they became a great fire when Menaka arrived ??

 

Nar and Narayan were two rishis, who were doing Tapas near

Badrinath. Indra sent another Apsara to them so that their Tapas is

broken. She tried hard showed all her curves and mounds but she

could not stir both of them. Narayan rishi then called her near,

took some dirt from his ears and made the most beautiful woman called

Urvashi with it, and sent her to Indra, to show that they are not

allured by beauty of a woman as they had conqured sex.

 

The first seed of desire in us to save our body. The second is

making bodies like ours...that is sex, These two are primodal desires

which mother nature have implanted in us and when we start Sadhna all

our desires slowly start vanishing, but this starts from the surface

hence the two desires remain last.

 

Since Tantra had lost and our later rishis did not know how to

deal with the tremendous energy called sex in us, so they found a

shortcut... they ran away to jungles, remain away from women so that

this serpent could not bite them. Instead of understanding the stale

energies of sex rotting in their minds, they say women as alluring

demons and refrained from them.

 

A woman instead of competing with males, in areas of fights,

drinking smoking working becoming MDs etc..she should understand the

extra Matri kalaa shakti in them, and use that energy for her lift.

 

Shri Krishna has said in Gita, any woman having forgiveness,

intelligence,patience,fame,memory,good character, is my own image. So

if a woman acquires these qualities, which are already dormant in

her, only she need to recognise them and bring them to surface, will

be an image of goddess Durga.

 

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

> I do not agree with any of the statement which belittles a woman,

> even if it has come from a sacred text, or some saint. Anybody

> be an image of goddess Durga.

>

yes baba this is what I wanted to say ie all that which u have

mentioned and explained in the above lines. Thanks; this explanation

is great and perfect and balanced. Now I feel really content

 

Aradhana

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

Dear Aum,

 

Namaste!

 

Honestly that was really fantastic posting. I liked it very much.

 

It really made my day.

 

Thanks and warm regards

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

>

> , pradeep8_56 <no_reply@> wrote:

> > What is this 'extra Ardha-kala'

> > Could you please tell us about kala(s).

> >

>

> Dear Pradeep the Ardha-kalaa is Matri-Kalaa,

>

> I will explain why and how...

 

>

[Guest guest]

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

 

 

Hello Aradhanaji,

 

One more sentence in female's favour as mentioned in the book

TANTRA - the cult of the feminine by ANDRE VAN LYSBETH. The

author says, what is shiva without shakti? - SHAVA (Corpse,

Dead body) get the drift?

 

 

Regards

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> explained in the above lines. Thanks; this explanation

> is great and perfect and balanced. Now I feel really content

>

> Aradhana

>

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

>>

> Dear Pradeep the Ardha-kalaa is Matri-Kalaa,

>

> AUM

>

 

Thank you babaji for such a nice explaination in simple words.

 

1. May I ask you one thing Regarding Navratri Fasting

 

Normally, in North India, we use a special flour 'Kuttu flour'

during Navratri. If it is not available, can the wheat flour be

used ??

 

2. As you said that if a man is lured by some female i.e. Apsara,

the fault lies with the male.

 

Can you please guide us in coming out of it?

 

Jai Gurudev

[Guest guest]

Humble Obeisances to all! Very important and serious topic is initiated. It is

really a challange to balance the statements and comments to satisfy all. I am

not that much learned but daring to put something for your consideration. In

respect of women it is well said " yatra naryastu pujyante.. " This shloka is

sufficient to prove their importance and purity. It is true that they are blamed

for many things and treated as impediments in Sadhana. But without woman, no

sadhana can be complete and sufficient as everyone in the world required MOTHER

to come in the world. Then why criticism? (1) If mind of sadhaka is not

balanced, matured and strong enough to stick fast to his sadhana, he may be

enchanted by a glimpse at woman (it is his folly and not woman's).

(2) women are most co-operative, serving, caring, loving and compassionate and

humble serve with good intention as service to God. The sadhakas to it otherwise

and their sight change, dormant sex instincts get stimulated and their mind

forcibly compells their body to act bad way. It is folly of sadhaka.

(3) Women are naturally 'Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram' by body and mind also. They

always possess contented and pious mind and hence their face has nutural charm

which attracts everyone. When Shakuntala was discarded by her husband Dushyanta,

she straight way entered the jungle and came near to a cave for resort. There so

many lion families residing in the cave and still she advanced fearlessly

staring in the fierce eyes of lions. Her beauty and fearful look enchanted the

animals and they forget every thing. They allowed her in the cave without any

resistence. Amidst lions, she begot Bharat, the bravest son, who used to count

teeth of lions by riging on their back. Every woman has this fearlessness and

daring, strong determination. But men, who pretend to be sadhakas, loose their

own control over their instincts and blame women.

(4) Every sadhaka should avoid a: Prekshana- lustful look/glimpse at woman as

it reminds him several times during sadhana, b:Strismaranam- don't, think or

remember woman one has ever seen, be it his mother or sister, as it creates

feminine attraction repeatedly, c:Kirtan- don't chat/speak about women at all,

as it helps remembering the face, actions, smile, her service/help/care, etc.

d: Keli: - Don't speak with women when they are alone and don't play any game

or don't include them in sport events (organised for sadhaka brahmacharis

specially) as it leads lustfully watching their body movements and that create

impure instincts in spectator male, e:Guhyabhashanam - when women meet in

solitary place, library, hotel or anywhere alone, don't speak with words which

have double meaning and kama-bhava as it leads to development of friendship or

other relation with each other, f: Sanket - Don't make signs or show something

denoting women to meet at certain place when she will be free of her job as it

lead to be attracted. Out of love and belief in one, she may come to that place

inoscently, but the sadhaka will loose his control to advance further. All

these points create mental distortions and instead of sadhana, sadhaka

forgetting his aim, sways away and ruins himself. Shreemad Bhagavad Gita

cautions every sadhaka in chapter 2/62-63. Women are blessed with

Service-attitude, compassion, love, sacrifice, co-operativeness, care,

humility, but men always take disadvantage of these inherint characters and

themselves loose their balance for which they are not to be blamed. Very

perfect medicine over this is provided by Devi Suktam as " Ya Devi sarva

bhuteshu, Matru roopen sansthita, nastasyai, namastyai,namastyay namo nama: | "

One who whenever sees or meets any woman or any female animal, should chant this

in his mind repeatedly projecting reverential look at her and steadily but

firmly he will be able to control his mind properly to advance in sadhana. Don't

blame women instead change our angle of perception from lust to reverence and

gratitude. Heartful regard to all.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, pradeep8_56 <no_reply wrote:

>

> , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba@> wrote:

> >

> >>

> > Dear Pradeep the Ardha-kalaa is Matri-Kalaa,

> >

> > AUM

> >

>

> Thank you babaji for such a nice explaination in simple words.

>

> 1. May I ask you one thing Regarding Navratri Fasting

>

> Normally, in North India, we use a special flour 'Kuttu flour'

> during Navratri. If it is not available, can the wheat flour be

> used ??

>

 

 

Dear pradeep, the rituals can be followed if possible. Certainly

Mother is not going to be angry on such small things. It is for our

own tapas that we use special flour or spl rice. I dont observe any

fasting, due to my physical set-up, so doesnt mean Mother will not

accept my worship.

 

As I said, do what ever maximum you can, if no special flour is

available, you can do fasting for the whole day and eat normal food

in the evening (of course without onion garlic etc).

 

about other querry, i will write separately

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

Every sadhaka should avoid a: Prekshana- lustful look/glimpse at woman

as it reminds him several times during sadhana

Don't speak with women when they are alone and don't play any game or

don't include them in sport events (organised for sadhaka brahmacharis

specially) as it leads lustfully watching their body movements and that

create impure instincts in spectator male, e:Guhyabhashanam - when

women meet in solitary place, library, hotel or anywhere alone, don't

speak with words which have double meaning

 

Namaste Keshav ji. Though Keshav ji you are much learned and wise

sadhaka and I have no claim to knowledge or wisdom I wish to say

something. Just as baba said if Vishvamitra got seduced then its his

desire or lust that is responsible and not the apsara.It means that he

failed in his test due to his own weakness and not because of a

heavenly damsel.For example Maharaj Bharat forgot his sadhna because of

a deer though he left his own family for devotion and later(in his

later birth) even while being among human beings he was completely

detatched and liberated in his very life.His mistake could have been a

result of some moha or attatchment that was left in his heart or maybe

some karmic result of his past.So detatchment is from the heart and not

outward.In my view running away from females is no brahmacharya.Its

funny to say- avoid females, run away from them.A person can run from

females for his entire life but then like Vishvamitra or Ajamila he

might get swayed by seeing or interacting with one.Desires are

eliminated naturally and not killed. Brahmacharya or detatchment from

lust is a natural state.The brahmachari is one whose heart is never

swayed by lust. For those who arent brahmacharis our vedas have laid

down the system of brahmacharya,grahastha, vanprastha and sanyaasa. The

grahastas arent freed of lust so they lead a regulated and disciplined

life which is the best thing for them.

 

It is bhakti or some other sadhna that snaps such ties with material

world naturally with time and at peaks of sadhna no other desire or

bondage remains.When a person is more attatched to God he is least

attatched to other things .Some people think that running away from a

thing is solution which actually isnt.Its not an easy thing to get rid

of vikaaras of millions of birth so being prone to mistakes during

sadhna is natural and sadhaks learn from mistakes only.That is why in

kaliyuga bhakti is advised as the best means ie because the souls are

fallen and contamination is also great.So if someone thinks that he

needs to run away from something it means that the fault is within him

and that his sadhna isnt adequate or pure.

I dont think people need to avoid or run away from any of the five

enemies.Or be ashamed of thier weaknesses.They need to do thier bhakti

as well as they can.Every sadhak must be cimitting faults only to

overcome them or learn from them

[Guest guest]

> Men need to learn how to generate power for Sadhna, while women

need

> to learn how to control the power they already have.

>

> Men do this by praying to Devi within them for power. Women do

this by

> praying to Shiv within them for control of power.

>

> love

> Shantnu

>

 

Dear Shanji,

 

I agree what you meant here. I sometimes without knowing may missuse

the power knowing that i am doing right. I realised it. Later i am

trying not to do that mistakes. When i read yours, i atonce asked

shiva, to guide and control me in the right path. I left my body so

heavy atonce and i was back to normal in a minit.Why is this

happened?

 

Sarvamaatha.