Chakras - Granthhis

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

> So, granthis - do we all have these from birth? Or do some of us

get

 

>that saadnaa would clear this karma? So can

> clear any karma? If someone did something to me, or if I did

> something to them - can this karma be cleared by saadnaa?

>

> Can you, or anyone, recommend a book on the subject of chakras?

 

My Dear Farah,

 

let me take your questions in reverse

 

3- My knowledge of books is very limited and whatever I write 90%

is direct experience 10% heard or read from higher souls...but

someone can give u some references... shanracer has already done that

 

2- Yes as i replied to sudhakar...when kundalini awakens...travels

upwards and sits in a chakra...all negativity and bad karma attached

to that chakra are destroyed. With Sadhna also bad karmas can be

annulled...in proportions of course. The bigger the bad karma the

more sadhna or tapas you need. Sadhna first weakens the bad karma

and then destroy it...and we get some little illness (or bigger

too), or a bad dream....gives us a little tension.

 

for example if I was supposed to get some serious injury...but i do

sadhna and that karma is weakened...I will see a horrible dream in

which i am injured and I undergo all the mental disturbance...and

the moment the dream ends...that pain is gone. This is how it works.

 

As per Karma philosophy, the result of Karma can not be evaded...but

it can be weakened by god's grace and our sadhna together.

 

This also clarifies why sadhakas in beginning days of sadhna suffer

more, than the normal people.

 

1- Grathhis have nothing to do with chakras or bad karmas. It is

very deep subject and is rarely discussed. The Granthhis (knots) are

the main reason of our being human . I do not have real deep

knowledge of Granthhis, but the little i know is :

 

Granthhis (KNOTS) are the permanent blockages in the sushumna

nadi...and their main job is to stop kundalini going up...WHY?

 

Granthhis are a sort of valves which let the consciousness flow

downwards...but stops it from going back to the source... otherwise

the universe would have ended by now.

 

to prolong the Leela of God these three Granthhis were placed by

Mother Shakti, known as Brahm Granthhi, Vishnu Granthhi and Rudra

Granthhi. Brahmm granthhi is the knot just above Kundalini near

the mouth of sushumna, and its main job is to keep the kundalini

slept and keep its energies from going up....again WHY??

 

The pure energy currents released by Kundalini must go up by

default and clean the chakras...and if chakras are pure..go further

up. The moment this energy current touchs Shiva in

Sahasradhara...kundalini will be sucked into shiva...the game ends.

 

So Brhama granthhi stops that pure energy from going upwards. So

any current released by Kundalini is taken by two mysterious energy

centers above kundalini...which are Vak-beeja and Kaam-beeja. so

some of the power is used in speech(or thoughts) and the bigger

portion is taken over by Kaam beeja which converts that purest form

of energy into sexual energy. this is necessary so that the humans

continue re-producing...and keep the race alive. This is what

Brahmaa does hence perhaps this knot was named Brahmm Granthhi.

 

the other two i will write in next post...if it interests the

sadhakas

 

AUM

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Aum,

 

This matter is deep and very interesting, can you throw some more

light ,and delve a bit deeper into this..

 

Waiting..

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

> The pure energy currents released by Kundalini must go up by

> default and clean the chakras...and if chakras are pure..go further

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>>

> ... otherwise

> the universe would have ended by now.

>

....kundalini will be sucked into shiva...the game ends.

>

 

Dear Aum

 

This is very interesting indeed.

But what do you mean when you say " the universe would have ended by

now " or " the game ends? " Can you elaborate on this please?

 

With love

 

Farah

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

Dear Aum,

 

Namaste!

 

Your explanation on granthis was really enlightening but in the end

you say - the other two (granthis) i will write in next post ...if

it interest the sadhakas ...This is like asking a starved person would

he like more .... ofcourse let it roll man but only one granthi

please and the next post the other granthi. Why? because the

explanation on chakras all together was indigestion for me. I wish

it was one chakra at a time like muladhara. So please balance two

granthis in two instalment please.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Sudhakar

 

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

>

> 2- Yes as i replied to sudhakar...when kundalini awakens...travels

> upwards and sits in a chakra...all negativity and bad karma

attached

> to that chakra are destroyed. With Sadhna also bad karmas can be

>

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

 

> please and the next post the other granthi. Why? because the

> explanation on chakras all together was indigestion for me. I wish

> it was one chakra at a time like muladhara. So please balance two

> granthis in two instalment please.

>

> Thanks and regards

>

> Sudhakar

 

 

LOL dear spiritual co-traveller...i will not let you suffer from

indigestion. I will go slow...had you been sitting before me..Tete-a-

tete...and eyes in eyes..we would spend hours in this discussion

 

Aum

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, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

>

>

> Dear Aum

>

> This i never read or heard. does it mean we are destined to be in

> this body? you will agree we are not

 

 

ansuya ji, please wait for my next msgs... i will cover these aspect.

For the time being i will say...yes it is possible to pierce (good

word you used..correct one) these granthhis...at least the two

 

Aum

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Dear Aum and Shantnu, i need your help.

 

When i read your post, automatically in my mind, the images started

flowing, and i felt a ping near the end of my spine..

 

than i meditation, i CLEARLY saw my brahma Granthi.

 

We cannot pierce it i think, as there is nothing to pierce, it is of a

thread tied to the central nerve..

 

i will explain what i saw, please tell me if this is correct or wrong,

i tried to see susumna before also, felt it, but never saw.

 

but yesterday , i Saw the Brahma Granthi and in doing so, i also think

i saw sushumna. This brahma Granthi is a special kind of knot..

 

meaning though i feel it is a knot on sushumna but it is actually a

knot to a inner tube to sushumna, and i also saw that sushumna was nto

just a hollow as you all told, i saw one more copncentric passage

inisde this sushumna and laso felt there is somethign iside this

passage also..

 

but whatever i am able to see the brahma granthi, and if i applu my

thoughts , i guess it will be UNTIED.

 

But i dint know if i should do it.. so, i wanted to ask you ..

 

please let me know if it is good to untie it now, as i do not have any

great breath practice etc..

 

 

ALSo one more IMPORTANT think, aster i saw brahma Granthis..

 

ial of sudden my breath pattern changes, and i donno whcih nostril i

was breathing all these days as i had never absorved, but now i am

breathing through both nostrils.. a kind of strange..

 

i mean air is going inside through both nostrils and air is coming our

of both nostrils.. is this some kind of okie or something wrong has

happenned..

 

 

i am a bit scared too.. because when i saw brahma Grannthis , i in my

mind felt like some inner energy of mine, may be my own vision, tried

to touch it or pass through it.. or somethign like that .. some FEEL

... a subtle kind of FEEL..

 

 

and now i am really not normal..i always have feel of sushumna i

guess, because i always feel somehting passing, in my spine , means

actually not passing, but a sort of feel concious it is here, it is

here .. like this kind of stuff..

 

 

 

now i am waiting for all your replies, you , Shantnu etc etc .. just i

want to know that these are normal and nothign dangerous .. lol

 

 

and what is that feel i have got, sushumna only right ?

 

 

-- Brother Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

> , ansuya80 <no_reply@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Aum

> >

> > This i never read or heard. does it mean we are destined to be in

> > this body? you will agree we are not

>

>

> ansuya ji, please wait for my next msgs... i will cover these aspect.

> For the time being i will say...yes it is possible to pierce (good

> word you used..correct one) these granthhis...at least the two

>

> Aum

>

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Deito,

 

Namaste!

 

Though you have addressed your message of granthis to Aum and

Shantnu the topic raised about breathing from both nostril makes

me to comment on it. I hope you will forgive me for being bold or

brash if you like to do so.

 

Please note according to Swara Shastra we breathe alternatively

from right and left nostril every 90 minutes. This is specially

for those who are healthy. Further at sunrise on monday, wednesday

thursday and friday one should observe to see that they breathe

at that time from left nostril and on tuesday, saturday and sunday

at sunrise one should automatically be breathing from right nostril.

If this is not the case one can manipulate the breathing so that

it is activated as per the week day.

 

Further our system of doing thrikal sandhya vandana at sunrise,

midday and sunset is because at that time both the nostril are

active and breathing takes place in both of them. The duration is

about 5 minutes only and therefore any work performed at that time

is waste except meditation, god worship spiritual sadhana etc., is

only to be done.

 

In tantric yoga there is one particular asana to activate both the

nostril which leads to opening of both the nostrils (i.e. surya nadi

and chandra nadi) One can also keep kubadi i.e. y shaped rod under

the arm pit to change the breathing pattern.

 

Your automatic activation of both the nostril is a sign that

sushmna has opened and kundalini awakening in this is most advisable.

This is what scriptures say. If kundalini awakens when right

nostril is dominant then the body experiences extreme heat etc.,

and when left nostril is dominant then the body experiences extreme

cold etc., but when both the nostrils are activated it is said to be

best position for kundalini to soar upwards.

 

I feel meditation at this time is best.

 

Further explanation both Aum and Shantnu would be giving.

 

All the best and don't forget harinama at any time since your

sushmna has been activated.

 

 

With best regards

 

Sudhakar

 

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

>

>

> Dear Aum and Shantnu, i need your help.

>

> When i read your post, automatically in my mind, the images started

> flowing, and i felt a ping near the end of my spine..

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First thing sudhakar, My many thanks to you... as i was worried as i

did not get reply..

 

and after opver 4 hours now it is a bit okie, i am breathign form

right nostril as i am typing here.

 

for almost 3 to 4 hours i was breathing through both the nostrils, and

i was getting a feel of a line in my spine, whcih i thought to be

shusumna, and after what you have told it seems it is the same..

 

and i was badly waiting for someone to give me some advice, as i do

not know anything else. and was your resply was much useful..

 

please let me know what i should do, But i am also feeling intense

itch line, something internal itch , near my eyebros, and this used to

happen lightly when i used to do Hari Jap, every night and used to get

reduced after some time, and by morning it used to be normal..

 

now this has become more, every now and then i start reading even a

newpaper.. this itch starts, and sometimes, its extreme..

 

but i have never done any pranayam etc.. nor i did any particular type

oif meditation... and hence i am scared.. and after you wrote i am a

bit more scared..

 

because form almost 1 month, when i do hari jap, my hands shiver a

bit, and i feel pleasure.. some times i feel a light shiver in whole

body, but this does not feel risky, feels as if some thing subtle just

touched your body or left it.. its a kind of a small current rntering

you liek that .. a charge sensation for just a matter of less than one

second, actually very less, one moment..

 

 

so, with no practice at all, is it good to invoke kundalini ..

 

And this post is not just for aum , shantnu ... all you who knows

about this.. but i asked aum and shantnu, because i knew they knwo a

lot about these.. please who ever knows... please tell me if i need to

knwo something..

 

 

thanks Sudhakarji, for all help ..

 

 

-- Brother Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

> Though you have addressed your message of granthis to Aum and

> Shantnu the topic raised about breathing from both nostril makes

>

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

> just a hollow as you all told, i saw one more copncentric passage

> inisde this sushumna and laso felt there is somethign iside this

> passage also..

 

Dear Deito, sudhakar has beautifully replied. I would like to share

some more.

 

when we breath from left nostril, it means prana is flowing through

ida and Tam guna is prevailing in mind. through right (pingala) it is

Rajoguna...and when prana flows through both, it means the Satoguna is

prevailing.

 

During awakened state of mind, the prana flows through satoguna, and

the visions you see are true....

 

Bhakti itself is a strong meditation and it leads to all these yogic

results, as a yogi gets.... mudras, asanas etc all are felt

automatically without any knowledge even.

 

Brahma granthhi is not a physical knot...even though the word knot is

used. It is called knot due to its qualities. It is in fact a web of

energies of Maya, which has a main duty to stop Kundalini to go up.

 

there is no special sadhana to open this knot. Those who are doing

any regular sadhna and have progressed a little... first the closed

mouth of Sushmna opens and then this Granthhi becomes lose and finally

fully opens.

vishnu granthhi is more difficult to pierce...Rudra is almost

impossible.

 

Aum

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Also Aum, I wanted to tell you one more thing.. i forgot..

 

please knwo that i never experienced any other chakras as you

explained.. i mean to say that , some day back you were explaining

manipura, mooladhara and i tried to recognize these , just like i can

easily feel the existance of shusumna and Eyebro center, Ajna Chakra..

so easily..

 

but i did not eve get a hint of there existance , and Ajna chakra, i

feel more strongly, and my heart chakra is even special, i dont feel

it always , but when i feel it, i feel it so deeply, as i fi am

touching the energy zones, deep emotions flow, really deep, and this

always brings a sort of Lazyness and disinterest in me.. towards life..

 

 

in fact this is one of the thing which is increasing my non-interest

towards worldly life, day by day.. some three days back i felt this..

.. and after that i have not felt til;l now, and i am sure next time

when i feel this, my anger towards things and the thigns that can

irritate in this world will be further reduced..

 

 

you don't believe, now i am in such a situation that if someone comes

to kill me, i will ask him cool mindedly , awhy you want to kill me

and have a discussion and may even cut a joke, before he did what he

wanted to... lol ..

 

 

It is very nice as i can share all my experiences here., because i

always never shared, because people will think that i am a bit

screwed..lol

 

and my mother and father are always worried, about my peculiarity,

since childhood. sometimes, they say they get scared as i speak some

strange things at night, and when i was of 7 years, i saw a dream and

was speaking somehting in my deep sleep, whcih even i dint remember

neither knew, but i gat a heavy fever for 6 days.. lol and i was

admitted, and hospital nurse used to roll me in ice cold towels ever

day morning 6.15 ... i can never forget that dreadfulk condition after

that sleep ..

 

 

thanks for this discussion group, see i am so introvert and reserved,

that to share my experiences even here, i took so much time..

 

 

-- Brother Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

> when we breath from left nostril, it means prana is flowing through

> ida and Tam guna is prevailing in mind. through right (pingala) it is

> Rajoguna...and when prana flows through both, it means the

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

 

> please knwo that i never experienced any other chakras as you

> explained.. i mean to say that , some day back you were explaining

 

Dear Deito..even if you dont know anything abt chakra or dont feel

them... that does not mean they are sleeping.

 

since u r into Bhakti yoga, your heart chakra must be activated...

there is really no need to look for other chakras, as heart chakra is

main in Bhakti, and it is quite strong in itself... it is in heart

chakra you can see Hari

 

love

 

aum

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excellent i will now meditate on my heart with the wish of seeing his

lotus feet...

 

thanks all my spiritual brothers,

 

-- Deito

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

> main in Bhakti, and it is quite strong in itself... it is in heart

> chakra you can see Hari

>

> love

>

> aum

>

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

 

> But what do you mean when you say " the universe would have ended

by

> now " or " the game ends? " Can you elaborate on this please?

 

Dear Farah, If there were no knots to stop the kundalini, anyone who

was on a path of little spirituality, will awaken the kundalini and

kundalini will straight go up..and the person is enlighted. If it

was so easy, millions and millions would follow and there would be

no physical world as such, as all souls would merge into truth.

 

So not to make this easy, Nature put three knots in the system so

that no one gets moksha so easily. WHY??

 

Because Nature's job is to manifest the universe and she wishes it

should continue..till she herself decides to end the game and merge

back into Shiva.

 

hence nature always hinders in the way of each sadhaka, to delay his

progress. It is like that .. .no more explanation

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

Deitoji, your experience seems genuine.

 

Breathing from both nostrils doesnt necessarily mean Sushmna is

active, so need to panic! If you are tense, or are working hard, or

walking/running, even that can cause both nostrils to work.

 

As babji said, Granthi is not actual physical knot, just a way of

explaining.

 

Since you are into Bhakti, you should concentrate on heart. There is

no rule that 1 has to start from lowest chakra, in fact as I wrote,

the highest Kundalni sadhna is when Kundalni jumps to final stage in

only 1 go, which can only happen with Lords grace.

 

If any one chakrais fully open, it can help clear others. Thats why it

makes no difference whether you start from any chakra, or do bhakti or

gyan, final result is same- one gets full Kundalni blast & moksha.

 

If you think too much energy has been released, I suggest you take a

" Sadhna holiday " - for 2 weeks do no sadhna, not even reading

scriptures. This will let excess shakti become balanced in system.

 

love

Shantnu

 

PS- At least you are now convinced of the reality of astral body &

chakras. This convinving has to come from experience, not books or

discussion.

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>

>

> First thing sudhakar, My many thanks to you... as i was worried as i

> did not get reply..

 

Sorry Deitoji, I was out so couldnt reply.

 

 

> but i have never done any pranayam etc.. nor i did any particular >type

> oif meditation... and hence i am scared.. and after you wrote i am a

 

I think this is the reason- Pranayam is very necessary to balance

energies, bring Pran under control. Its a myth that only Bhakti or

gyan or Karma can take you to God- for example green vegetables are

very good for you. But if you only eat green vegetables 24 hours a

day, what will happen?

 

> so, with no practice at all, is it good to invoke kundalini ..

 

You didnt invoke Kundalni- thats a completely different thing, which

there is no use talking about, as the experience is out of this

world(I have never had it, so I am no expert either :-) ). And except

for some few rare Hath Yoga Tantrics, the Kundalni never rises when we

want it too, only when God thinks we are ready.

 

If you dont take offence, let me say one thing: It seems your Sadhna

has been very one sided- just Bhakti. Thats not very healthy, in the

same way that although green vegetables are very healthy, if you eat

only them 24 hours, your health wont be good.

 

I personally think you got Pranic shakti boost(which can come from

Kundalni or God)- but since your body wasnt prepared for it, it

reacted badly.

 

But maybe this is Gods lesson- he wants you to expands your Sadhna.

 

So I suggest you start with 15 min pranayam everyday(Babajis website

has some), 15-20 min pure Raj Yoga concentration. If you have any

classes nearby, also try Hatha yoga- it really strengthens body, &

clear Pranic blockages.

 

love

Shantnu

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Dear all, i take no offense and i am greatful for all, from heart, for

all three of you ..

 

 

and currently what i am doing ?

 

i am crying,

 

why .. i meditated, and i dont knwo why , i feel deep pain, i say name

" Hari' and i feel pain deepens, and i say " Hari " and again..

 

I donno what i am feeling, or what is the reason for this pain..i look

myself and i feel i have become a senseless baby who keeps crying..

 

when ever it feels like, with no reason..

 

the word of the Lord, brings in Thought, and the ver ythought of Hari

makes me cry

 

 

and let me tell you .. i even gasped for air and this is how i woke up

of meditation..

 

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> Sorry Deitoji, I was out so couldnt reply.

>

[Guest guest]

cont ..

 

meditation means, nothign i did, but just concentrating on form of

Hari.. very blissful.. calm and smiling.. very enchanting.. but i

donno why there is pain in my heart ..

 

and I have become very sensitive.. i just see my face, and my eyebrows

start , i just think of the spine i experiences and it gets sensitive..

 

 

but there is one hope which is keeping me hold my fear .. and that is

that whatever happenns is at the will of hari, and he will take care

of his baby in any case..

 

but i have become sensitive.. means very sensitive.. just think of

some part of my body and i start feeling it.. veitually feeling the part..

 

not like touching and feeling, but feeling the existance.. some

special feeling.. See if a soft AIr is continously blast on your

spine, you will feel constant pressure exerted in your spine..i think

this is the closest i can give to describe you how it feels..

 

 

and yes i am taking rest, as Sudhakarji Said, let me get into my

senses first.. and yes nothign has happenned yet, no kundalini etc..

as i am still in my senses and seems, liek i will come back ..

 

 

and surely sudhakarji, I will definitely ask you if i have any kind of

doubt with food etc .. Thanks Santhnu.. yes, i purely know only my

Lord , and Haris name and nothign else.. but it is taking me places

which i really dint know existed and experiences that i really dint

know manifested.

 

 

-- Brother Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

 

>

> Before i discuss about the itching you are experiencing as well as

> shivering while reading newspaper etc., I would like to say

[Guest guest]

> Because Nature's job is to manifest the universe and she wishes it

> should continue..till she herself decides to end the game and merge

> back into Shiva.

>

> hence nature always hinders in the way of each sadhaka, to delay his

> progress. It is like that .. .no more explanation

 

AUM, so Nature hinders us. The Nirguna Brahm is very far away, &

doesnt care about our petty troubles. Then is there any force that

helps us?

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, s_kumar_12345 <no_reply wrote:

>

> AUM, so Nature hinders us. The Nirguna Brahm is very far away, &

> doesnt care about our petty troubles. Then is there any force that

> helps us?

>

 

Dear kumar,

 

Nature has its own agenda and she is slowly taking all

living beings towards higher self...but it is a very slow process

and not many will actually reach there.

 

Adi=shakti manifests at many levels, the lowest being Nature.

Roughly we see her manifestation as Yogmaya, Mahamaya and Maya.

Whereas Maya tries to keep all in her chains, the higher forces

always help us to progress forward.

 

so present human beings are a confused matrix of energies. The

lower forces trying to keep the status-quo, a little higher forces

are keeping him busy in actions and fruits of action.

 

Still higher forces like Durga Mahakali are ready to help us come

out of chains of lower nature....PLUS the call of the divine is

always attracting us towards him. so what we are is the sum total

of all the forces working together.

 

By sadhna, we a sort of reject the lower forces and call higher

forces to help us...and help comes too

 

But from Shakti....not from Shiva although shakti is doing what

shiva approves...but he has no direct intereference into our lives

 

AUM