Are you a hindu? you must be secular!

[Guest guest]

This reply was posted in global-tamils, a , in response to two

articles by Romila Thapar, the 'reputed' historian, and another retired history

professor of kurukshetra university. They were published in the Hindu and

Frontline respectively. the original articles can be seen at

<global-tamils>

 

Ulagathamilargale,

 

I read with amusement the two articles by two historians in Global Tamils forum.

While it has been a foregone conclusion that no research has been done on Ram

Sethu, some newspapers are trying to build up a case as if there exist

researches.

 

Most of the Tamils and Indians do not know that India's " NATIONAL NEWSPAPER "

now has a foreign owner- the Joshua group and the present editor group is only a

Front( Line ?). Let anyone try this. Write a rebuttal to any aricle (especially

those attacking Hinduism and national history) and send it to either 'letters to

the editor' pages or to the general pages. I am sure your word will never reach

the public ever !

 

On the other hand try this. Write a scathing report on one of the following

1. the present casteist divisions among Hindus

2. the individuals freedom's to convert (to Christianity)

3. About the need for dalit christian reservation

4. About the utter moral and mental bankruptcy of the sangh pariwar

 

And lo and behold! your comments will be published!

 

Not only 'The Hindu', but 'times of India', 'Hindustan times', 'India Today' -

among the print media and NEWS CHANNELS like " NDTV " , " NEWS TODAY " , " CNN IBN " ,

" STAR NEWS " are owned in a major way by Church groups in America. There is a

famous net article by Niranjan shah, a journalist on this topic.

 

But why Churches and missionaries, of all people, should buy news media ? Well,

your guess is as good as mine.

 

In the light of the above, consider the two articles in the Front line and the

Hindu written by these people. Romilla Thapar, a 'reputed' historian ? - (you

should ask BB Lal, another historian, about what he thinks of Ms Thapar). You

can see that she cleverly avoids a single word about the basic point, that of

TRADITION AND CULTURE. History writing is new. Tradition is age old. Ramayana

and Mahabharata are Trans national literature. Countries like Vietnam, Malaysia,

Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Burma (apart from Nepal, Bhutan and Tibet) etc reverberate

with stories of these itihasas.

 

Well, no wonder, these people will be ' nurtured' by the 'secular' media in

days to come. A new brainwash will start about how secularism is only for

Hindus. That no party can ask for Hindu votes in particular. But can openly

declare their solidarity with ' minorities' and promise them all and sundry.

They will teach us how it is arrogant on part of the Hindus to openly practice

their faith and how magnanimous of them if they keep calm when their temples

were bombed. Hindus will be taught tolerance when utter lies and lure of money

were used (6000 crores every year) to convert innocent dalits . And if anyone

protests, he will shown the place in a 'secular country'. And, the top most

person of the ideologically bankrupt party, a Christian , will enjoy all this.

She is surrounded by nearly six Christian Chief ministers,( Samuel Rajasekhara

reddy, Sheila Dixit, and four chief ministers of the north east states) besides

Ambika soni, Margaret Alwa, AK

Antony, Raul, (original name of Rahul gandhi),Peter Alphonse, Ahmad patel,

Ghulam Nabi Azad, Ajit Jogi etc. Can you find any Hindu in all this? Well, you

guessed it.

 

The result ? Conversion has accelerated to its peak in the history of India. The

targets are obvious- the illiterate tribes and dalits. Already a hitherto

unknown Christian organisation in the garb of Dalit activities has got a

Norwegian award. I swear no one in India has ever heard the name. Even the

Christian dalits themselves. They May even get a Nobel. Kerala is 30 %

christian. Tamilnadu is nearly 10% christian from the earlier 3 to 4 %. North

east has got a whopping 86 % from nowhere since independence. They are already

demanding a homeland. Reason- obviously their religion.

 

Have you understood the link between, buying newsmedia, the present rulers, and

the ever pleasant secular credentials of India ?

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Venkat, i don't like speaking in there terms, but still

speaking to hsow you how my though works in case of such activities.

 

Neither some sect, nor some group , nor some minds can dictate the

Order of progression and events involved By Time. Which is not

buyable , neither commandable, nor influencable by anything other

than the supreme will.

 

So, whatever is happenning, is at his supreme will, and is part of

his small leela. How small is this span of kalityuga, just a Day of

Brahma will have over thousand kaliyuga's along with equal numbe rof

other three yugas.

 

we are divine sparks, who will leave through all this time line and

for ever, if we get moksha we wont be part of Mahat, else we will be

part of Mahat, to raise again and again.

 

these silly group of people, whole prosperity and prowess is wrost

case , limited by the prosperity of the earth itself... what ever

they do , is so limited to inevitable decay and destruction, just

liek we are..

 

 

Do you really think Sadhakas like us , need to simply poke our legs

in natures Devine play, by the will of its master. Afterall it is

his creative sleep, on his nature at his own sweet will... So..

simply there is no need to bother and feel bad about the leela he is

playing, by whcih The great Lord, at his Lordship, is being

entertained, by his own potency.

 

We are part of this play, and let him keep us how he wants. and dont

really worry, as nothign other than his will, can happen ever..

 

 

and such small groups and sects, limited by self conducted laws, and

self illutionized strategies are as temporary as the Illution

itself, and being part of it, will be governed by the defined laws

of nature.

 

when the time of destruction comes it will be destroyed...

 

Also by his divine grace i am able to understand some points of

such destruction, but i do not wish to discuss these, as it makes no

sense, of these discussions, as I do not intend to make any effect

on myself or others, on this divine play.

 

he is the lord, it is his playground, and dont worry , if something

is again his will, such a thing cannot exist and will never be

possible, As NO " WILL " , THAT BELONGS NOT TO HIM EXISTS.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, Venkat <apexpreci2000 wrote:

>

> This reply was posted in global-tamils, a , in response

to two articles by Romila Thapar, the 'reputed' historian, and

>

[Guest guest]

This is very shameful for hindus. I am surprised why they dont try to

save their self-respect and why they allow other lower religions to

dictate their terms. It is a pity that most of the hindus take it as

God's lila and this folly damaged them a lot. Thousadnds of temples

uprooted, most sacred text burnt and hinduism abused in our own

country. All these saints and babas should come out and guide the

masses to protect their culture and religion.

 

God will not come to our help, if we behave like a sheep and allow

ourselves to be butchered.

 

vishnu

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Deito,

 

Your write up on India secular made an interesting reading. Agree to

all the points raised in. In fact many saints who knew of the leela's

of the lord therefore did not participate in freedom struggle. It is

okay with the realised soul and perhaps in the present context also

ok with you but a doubt arises in the ordinary sadhaka like me -

a struggling soul trying to flap the wings to soar towards MOKSHA>

when they will interfere in our private practice and try to impose

their hegemony and perhaps say that at the strike of gong we should

compulsorily come to their place of worship etc., etc., should we

therefore take this lying down or retort back. Ofcourse you might

say what do we lose or what harm is there i can pray to my lord

in their place of worship etc., etc., is it possible? don't you

think we should support the cause if not directly involving ourselves

atleast from behind support the cause. I would love to hear your

enlightening words on this please.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Sudhakar

 

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

>

> Dear Venkat, i don't like speaking in there terms, but still

> speaking to hsow you how my though works in case of such activities.

>

> Neither some sect, nor some group , nor some minds can dictate the

> Order of progression and events involved By Time. Which is not

> buyable , neither commandable, nor influencable by anything other

> than the supreme will.

>

> So, whatever is happenning, is at his supreme will, and is part of

> his small leela. How small is this span of kalityuga, just a Day of

> Brahma will have over thousand kaliyuga's along with equal numbe rof

> other three yugas.

>

> we are divine sparks, who will leave through all this time line and

> for ever, if we get moksha we wont be part of Mahat, else we will be

> part of Mahat, to raise again and again.

>

> these silly group of people, whole prosperity and prowess is wrost

> case , limited by the prosperity of the earth itself... what ever

> they do , is so limited to inevitable decay and destruction, just

> liek we are..

>

>

> Do you really think Sadhakas like us , need to simply poke our legs

> in natures Devine play, by the will of its master. Afterall it is

> his creative sleep, on his nature at his own sweet will... So..

> simply there is no need to bother and feel bad about the leela he is

> playing, by whcih The great Lord, at his Lordship, is being

> entertained, by his own potency.

>

> We are part of this play, and let him keep us how he wants. and dont

> really worry, as nothign other than his will, can happen ever..

>

>

> and such small groups and sects, limited by self conducted laws, and

> self illutionized strategies are as temporary as the Illution

> itself, and being part of it, will be governed by the defined laws

> of nature.

>

> when the time of destruction comes it will be destroyed...

>

> Also by his divine grace i am able to understand some points of

> such destruction, but i do not wish to discuss these, as it makes no

> sense, of these discussions, as I do not intend to make any effect

> on myself or others, on this divine play.

>

> he is the lord, it is his playground, and dont worry , if something

> is again his will, such a thing cannot exist and will never be

> possible, As NO " WILL " , THAT BELONGS NOT TO HIM EXISTS.

>

> -- Deito

>

> Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

>

> , Venkat <apexpreci2000@> wrote:

> >

> > This reply was posted in global-tamils, a , in response

> to two articles by Romila Thapar, the 'reputed' historian, and

> >

>

[Guest guest]

THIS POST IS FOR ALL, ALL READ THIS , AS RWQUEST FROM YOUR HUMBLE

BROTHER.

 

All what is lost, is nothign more than some generated events in time,

again those will be established when the wheel of time rotates..

anyways.. it ihas gone no where, other than where it came from..

 

this si the difference between us and others, we know we dont end when

we die, and others dont.. see they think this earth is everything,

and they forget the sovergeinity of Lord, and think they want to take

control, they want all of there religion, which is merely liek a

political gang..

 

lol ...

 

these small thigns are so silly, why can't we see the universal view,

as manifested by the lord... what difference does it make, when we

loose our so called valuable monum,ents etc, it will just be entering

the realm of time, and will be reestablished in soem even generated by

time once again...

 

What we have to think , we have to think on understanding the lrod,

his qualities, his attributes, his manifestation, and its

structure.. .we should learn to understand that everything,

christians , muslims and hindus and many creatures, aquatic, deserted,

trees, creepers, devathas , rakkashas and other and everything to be

same and all are part of one divine Lord, am me and you and everyone

else..

 

and we are neverending entities, and we are ever lasting spiritual

souls..

 

 

These words like save, aqquire, destruct etc etc are suitable to those

who are still bound in illution, and temporariness, one who sees

permenancy of Lord, will know that nothign can be changes and this

universe is one equation.. which is disturbed by Lord for his

entertainment, and who again brings it to equilibrium, and he

continues to do so, through his divine process, by small part of his

conciousness, in The trance..

 

neither this world is mine, nor this universe, than why do we awant to

become owners of these thigns which never existed and will never

exist too ... as it is neither now.

 

so behold Hari in your hearts , and learn to embrace everythign as

your own self, and everythign derived form the very own source .. They

are all part of hari, so let them rule.. as they are in illusion .. we

are not and if we are , than too we are in the progressive process of

coming out of this illution ..

 

 

why just this illusion, we want to come out of the illution of duality

too.. when we dont want to believ in difference in male and female,

what such minor religion and other difference make and how much it

effects and to what extent it matters.. you can imagine..

 

 

rise my dear brothers and sister, rise to the level of Respectful

Soul, who is devout to the supreme, who understands to hari, or

atleast tries to understand The lrod and his dynamics.. which are ever

fanciful and ever instructive and ever deluding and ever mystifying....

 

 

when Someone goes to mecca and offers pyrayers, i feel a flower just

bloomed and kept at the feet of my lord...

 

but still i am in duality.. as i sometimes tend to differentiate a

soul as female or male.. ibbtu i am sure by the divine grace of The

lrod, is will merge into conciousness, by his potency and his energy

and his won sweet will..

 

 

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, kalyugivishnu <no_reply wrote:

>

> This is very shameful for hindus. I am surprised why they dont try

to

[Guest guest]

When Arjun said he didnt want to fight the war, did Krishna say " Dont

worry its all Maya anyway! Its all Gods leela, as a Sadhak you

shouldnt worry about it. So run away from the battlefield, its Gods

leela he will deal with it " .

 

All this drawing room talk of God living in our heart, all being Gods

leela, Sadhak should not worry about outside world, are only for

people who only have bookish knowledge. Krishna no where says that

ignoring the world & living in your own dream world is way to Moksha.

 

If someone is attacking our religon, its our duty to fight. We wont go

out of our way to attack anyone, but if someone wants trouble in our

own home, we will give him plenty.

 

This type of cowardly " World if Maya or Leela of God " is reason we

were ruled by Muslims for 800 years, who almost destroyed our culture.

 

When Muslims were burning our temples, the priests said " God will

protect us, its his leela " . God doesnt protect anyone. Why should he?

As Krishna, he has shown you the way to live in Kaliyug- should he

then have to be reborn every 20 years or so because Hindus are so

cowards they cant protect their own religon, & hide behind mask of

" Its a leela/Maya! "

 

So arise Arjun! Leave all this cowardly talk. The enemy is standing at

our gates, this is no time for intellectual hot air.

[Guest guest]

MSG #1

Dear Brother, you brought out the point which i was about to write..

 

please answer the following questions :

 

1.) What place is devoid of Hari..

 

2.) Show me such a temple, or other place fo worship, whcih is

really " there's " ..

 

3.) Shwo me where does this " There " Exist .. there is no " Theres " ..

there is no " them " .... Everything is onw.. one divine soul... all

part of him... all part of his play..

 

But i understood what are you tryiogn to imply, In CIRCUMSTANCES

WHEN WE NEED TO FIGHT, IS ONLY WHEN WE NEED IT TO DO FOR THE PURPOSE

OF THE GOD.

 

IT IS JUST ONE MORE SDUTY OF OURS, JUST LIKE HOW " LOVING " ALL IS ,

JUST LIKE THAT.

 

This duty can be deduced form authorized scriptures, but we need to

be careful that these scriptures are not interpretted as it is

happenning in case of Islam, Christian and even in Hindus upto some

extent..

 

 

The essence of Vasudeva Kutumbakam, is a thing to be felt and

cherished, just by telling this or repeating it doesn't make sence,

isn't it my dear brother.

 

when there is an instruction from lord, we need to be ready to do

what he wants, is what he wants is to fight , than that is also his

leela..

 

he enjoys, when we fidht against each other, becasue thsi " each-

other " is non different and part of mahat.

 

is this correct, or there is something where you feel i am wrong..

 

Please let me know, Even i am interested as i can understand my

duties better.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

> , deito01 <no_reply@> wrote:

>

> Dear Deito,

>

> Your write up on India secular made an interesting reading. Agree

to

> all the points raised in. In fact many saints who knew of the

leela's

======================================================================

 

MSG #2

 

Neither there is any enemy nor there si any friend, When our duty is

to fight, as per scriptural injunctions, we need to fight.. as part

of our duty..

 

but here you are not standing to fight as part of your real duty,

you are standing here to fight, in illution...

 

" this is my religion " " this is your religion " thsi si illusion, we

are one and we are all part of one God is knowledge.

 

" others will destroy us, we were ruels by someone. " etc --> see

illusion again..

 

There is no one else to destroy us, and neither there is anyone

apart for the Supreme Sovergein, to rule us.

 

As prahladha said --> " this whole world is sufferring under triple

affliction "

 

how can one be coward when he is not afraid of anythign material..

when i am not afraid of loosing this body, neither i am afraid of

any one else, as i know that there is none other than my own hari ..

 

so, this silence is not silence of cowardness, this silence is

silence of ineffectiveness of effects of Maya upon us..

 

When there is a order form the lrod, to do so and so, either

directly or thorough his established rules, than we need to fight ,

as our duty.

 

this is what arjuna did.. he fought for dharma.. we also should

fight for dharma.. and what is dharma.. a true religion si dharma..

 

 

what is a true religion... a true religion is not hindu or muslim or

christian... a tru religion si any one which shows the way to lord..

 

but yes when there is bad practice of religion, and to PROTECT

OURSELVES FROM BAD PRACTICES, WE NEED TO USE OUR ENERGY BESTOWED BY

LORD.

 

IN SUCH CASES WE NEED TO STAND AND FIGHT, FOR PROTECTIOn, AND ALSO

AT LORDS WILL.

 

This is my stand point of view, please let me know is if you all

think i am wrong anywhere, Please let me knwo Shantnu..

 

I want to see if i am wrong, and i want to understand better my

duties.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> When Arjun said he didnt want to fight the war, did Krishna

say " Dont

>

[Guest guest]

> but here you are not standing to fight as part of your real duty,

> you are standing here to fight, in illution...

 

Deitoji, if someone breaks into your house, & try to kill your family,

fighting them is an illusion?

 

> " this is my religion " " this is your religion " thsi si illusion, we

> are one and we are all part of one God is knowledge.

 

Then why are Christians & Muslims trying to convert us? Why do they

spend millions in India building Churches/Mosques, if we are part of

same religon?

 

> " others will destroy us, we were ruels by someone. " etc --> see

> illusion again..

 

Deitoji, we were ruled by Muslims, this is part of history, which you

must have studied at school. They burned our libraries, temples.

Nalanda, the worlds oldest University in world, was burnt to ground, &

thousands of rare texts lost. If you think this is just illusion, then

there is nothing I can do.

 

Muslims & Christians openly talk about converting us, they say we are

penis worsshipping idolers. In our own country, Hindus cant defend

themself, as other religons still continue to attack our religon, &

Communist types go out of way to attack Hindus. Hindus are scared in

their own country.

 

If you think its all an illusion, then whats the use of debating? This

argument is also an illusion, its result wil also be an illusion. When

Hinduism dies out, that will also be an illusion- so why worry?

 

Smoke some ganja, & enjoy life!

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

 

> Neither there is any enemy nor there si any friend,

> " this is my religion " " this is your religion " thsi is illusion, we

> are one and we are all part of one God is knowledge.

>

 

Mr.Deito sorry i dont buy your argument ! There is no illusion. We

can not hide from reality in the name of maya. Iam not asking here

to fight the war, I am just asking why hindus cant protect their own

self-respect.

 

Mr Bjangam just now wrote Durga temple is being closed so that

muslims are not disturbed. Can a mosque be closed to facilitate

hindus or christians ?

 

Reading your reply I know now why we were ruled by barbarians for

more than 1000 years. There is no Maya no illusion it is the

cowardice of hindus.

 

Namaste

 

Vishnu

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

> " this is my religion " " this is your religion " thsi si illusion, we

> are one and we are all part of one God is knowledge.

>

LOLs dear Deito let us both convert to Islam, as all religions are

same. But will we be able to utter Hari's name ? they will cut your

and my throat LOL

 

Just kidding. On this debat my question is " What is the duty of a

sadhak in such a situation. Should he fight or kill or just sit

silent " . This is very important as we are going to face such situation

more often

 

ansuya

[Guest guest]

They are trying to convert us, because they are scared.. and hunger

for existance..

 

But yes, we cant allow them to break our house, and make us not

follow what we have to.. for such events we will have to definitely

fight..

 

but you tell me, do we need to make ourselves strong , so that we

dont get converted OR do we have to fight them , so that they wont

convert us.

 

whcih is a better way ..

 

today you will fight , one, tomorrow there will be two more..

 

fighting for saving our religion is a duty, we have to fight to save

our religion.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

n country.

>

> If you think its all an illusion, then whats the use of debating?

This

> argument is also an illusion, its result wil also be an illusion.

When

>

[Guest guest]

I am hurt about the reaction towards durga pooja, and that is a

genuine to fight, and also fighting for saving religion is also duty.

 

i agree.

 

and ansuya, my dear sister, i was smiling at the innoence, of mine

and yours both.. lol.. yeah... they will get us converted by force

and not by heart, and still we will chant name of hari, they will

cut our head, and our souls will escape and Hari will find us a new

place, to progress.

 

 

But yes we need to fight, as part of duty to protect a religion ,

but only to " PROTECT " a religion, and no way to disturb other

religions, like those idiots are doing.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, kalyugivishnu <no_reply wrote:

>

 

> Mr.Deito sorry i dont buy your argument ! There is no illusion.

[Guest guest]

, kalyugivishnu <no_reply wrote:

>

why they allow other lower religions to

> dictate their terms.

 

 

Dear brother

 

" Other lower religions " ?

 

Maybe you could elaborate on this - I'd be interested to hear this

thought expanded.

 

" In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher. "

 

Dalai Lama

 

With love

 

Farah

[Guest guest]

, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

 

> " Other lower religions " ?

>

> Maybe you could elaborate on this - I'd be interested to hear this

> thought expanded.

 

 

Farahji, Here lower is in spiritual terms.

 

Lower religions are those which were made by God to teach first

lessons of spirituality to barbarians. These religion use sword to

kill all those who do not agree to their religion/faith

 

If they are rich, they bribe poor people to convert to their

religion. They open schools and hospitals only to covert people to

their faith.

 

They tell their followers, only their book has the truth and only

their prophet was the genuine messenger of God

 

They strictly force their followers not to read/study other relgions

because they are afraid that their followers will know the greater

truths

 

Lower Religions put venom into blood of their children that they are

superior to other religions

 

Lower religions are those who force their followers to believe and

have faith blindly in their book. They do not allow questioning or

analysing their doctrines

 

Lower Religions tell their follower that if they kill other

religious people, they will go to heaven and 72 virgins will be

waiting there for them and they can enjoy there

 

Lower Religions wish everybody on earth should convert to or accept

their faith.

 

Now you can analyse all the religions and see which religion

faith becomes lower.

 

vishnu

[Guest guest]

There is no need of indirect insult. the need is for knowledge only.

 

as we all know, the number of people following Sanathana dharma, will

be reduced to only, one town that is hidden form whole world, where

they practice the Dharma hiding from everyone.

 

I can also reveal some of the other things about Islam, but i do not

wish to , as there is no need for any of these.

 

I neither belong to these religions etc, nor i am illuded, as my heart

firmly contemplates Hari. So don't take i am telling somethings to

hurt some one etc..

 

But My dear Farah, My sister, all this you are feeling, because firmly

attach yourself as a Muslim isn't it, and all these guys are so angry

, because they attach themselves as Hindus isn't it. It is this

attachment causing pain and distress.

 

but analysis of religion is a different story altogether and belief

me, any belief system, that is formed is with a purpose.

 

Now answer some of my questions please :

 

1.) Why do Muslim People have to take Oath, when entering pilgrimage

like mecca and madina, as to not share stuff with people of other

religion.

 

2.) Why even thought you don't have it in your system, special some

guys, shave there head and in pure white dress, without any innerwear,

revolve around the kaba, for 7 times.

 

3.) why is the kaba, completely covered with thick black blanket.

 

4.) what are the footsteps that you have in mecca, See Mohammad never

claimed he has any supernatural powers, to make imprint on a stone..

than from where did it come and whom does it belong.

 

5.) if your kuran and Islam started with Mohammad, than why in the

same kuran it is written that The " Temple of Kaba " Existed form around

4000 years back.

 

6.) And i don't need to go to kaba, to write what is inside it and how

it is and what material it is made of and what colour is it in .. i

can reveal it now, but i want to hear form you, what do you know about

all these..

 

And i don't want to irritate you, but still , please tell me

 

what family does t\Mohammad belongs, what is their surname, do you

know, and where was he born and where did he flew to gather followers.

 

 

and if you are not offended, and give me permission, my dear sister, i

will keep the facts of Islam in front of everyone, right now.

 

it takes hardly some hours of meditation, to see the picture clearly

in my mind.

 

 

again, i am asking you, all this, and i am not asking you as a Hindu,

but as your innocent brother. If you were not a great human, than i

would have never bothered to ask you, but you are my dear sister, so i

take the right to request you to answer my questions.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

 

, kalyugivishnu <no_reply wrote:

>

> , " janfarah_strongspirit "

> <janfarah_strongspirit@> wrote:

>

> > " Other lower religions " ?

 

> Farahji, Here lower is in spiritual terms.

>

> Lower religions are those which were made by God to teach first

> lessons of spirituality to barbarians. These religion use sword to

[Guest guest]

This post is not just for Farah, she is busy having food with her yoga

teacher, she will come and respond later, but i wish we all of us

speak what we know to see the real relation and the cause behind.

 

 

Anyone any info on these, please speak up, and i will be much obliged

to see all your responses.

 

Sincerely,

 

-- Deito

 

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>>

> attach yourself as a Muslim isn't it, and all these guys are so angry

> , because they attach themselves as Hindus isn't it. It is this

> attachment causing pain and distress.

 

 

My dear brother Deito

My dear spiritual brothers & sisters

 

I am sitting here smiling to myself, with lots of love in my heart as I

answer this question.

 

Please take me as you find me, make up your own mind about me based on

the words I speak, the experiences I share & the learning I take part

in on this very site, with you all. Please do not judge me simply from

the name 'Farah.' There is a long story behind this - some of which I

have shared with you already - but maybe I will share some more.

 

I was not born with the name Farah, I was not born into Islam & I

certainly do not follow Islam at all now. I have a mixed background,

was born in Scotland, my mother half Polish & my father with Italian &

Spanish descent. (Its funny - for many years I was referred to as

a 'gori' but I actually do not have a drop of English blood in me.)

When I was just 17/18 I met a muslim man, who turned my life upside

down & the rest, as I have said before, I will spare you the details,

but it was not good. Still, I have a loving heart & have learnt much

from my difficulties - and I thank him & his family for all for the

lessons I learnt along the way. Without these challenging years of what

felt like hell, I would not be the person I am today. I have to see it

all as learning & be grateful for that.

 

So, my dear brother - your questions about Islam & 'my quoran!' These

posts that you think are causing me pain & distress due to my

attachments to religion.

 

This makes me smile. :-) I have no attachments to any religion. The

only thing that causes me pain & distress, is to hear anyone look down

on, shun, criticize, or belittle anyone else because of their religious

or spiritual beliefs. I respect you as a hindu, I respect you as a

christian, I respect you as a muslim, I respect you as a buddhist......

I dont just respect people who believe what I believe, or live the way

I live - that's not important to me. I can learn off any human being,

on any religious or spiritual journey, regardless of who they are. So

for me to hear someone talking about " other lower religions " - there is

just no need for this. We need to be an example, to respect ourselves &

respect eachother, regardless of who we are.

 

I'll never forget, when I objected about someone putting out a question

for " christians only " on Answers. Her response to me was " Farah,

I ask christians because these are the people I most respect. " This

type of mentality is dreadful & this is the basis of so much hatred

between religions. For how long are we all going to look back through

decades of history & cry in eachothers faces & point the fingers? Fair

enough, there are lots of angry, religious based fights going on now,

that Im sure many people can get hot under the collar about. But surely

the way forward is to respect eachother, with all the similarities &

all the differences we have, with all the lessons we can teach

eachother along the way. Do we want to move on, with mutual respect &

understanding - or carry on with these disrespectful attitudes that

just cause more bad feeling & fuel the fire?

 

Im sure I have said this before, but let me say this again - I feel no

animosity towards the muslim family I was involved with for what should

have been the best years of my life & I do not have any less respect &

regard for Islam, than I do for any other religion. Surely the way

forward is peace, respect & tolerance. What's that quote - Be the

change you want to see?

 

With much love

 

& much respect to you all

 

Farah

[Guest guest]

Dear Farah, you hit the point straight.

 

no words, nothign else required.. thanks.

 

So gouys, it a tough journey, not because thew path is tough, but

because even if we follow the rules, there are many who wont, and

break all rules.

 

But still, seems like the challenge is see thewm break the rule, and

cause us much pain and still we continue to follo all rules, of dharma..

 

this is a kind of great sacrifice, and anyone can guess, what the

results of such great sacrifices can be.

 

I must say, experience speaks.. just like we all saw farah speak..

 

-- Brother Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

> from my difficulties - and I thank him & his family for all for the

> lessons I learnt along the way. Without these challenging years of what

[Guest guest]

Maya is powerful Farah, and coming out of this is a great process,

also called Sadhana.

 

and it was always my belief that paths of love are best for such a

journey, and knowledge is not as good as love. this same thing i

always implied with Bakthi and Gnana Marga. just an extention of this,

and this si the sole reason i used to tell bakthi si the best way ..

 

and you again proved it, i tried to use all great gnana.. lol.. and

using that gnana though initially i was capable of seeing the clear

picture, i failed at last ..

 

but you with all the love in your heart, you just came out with a

crystal clear view.

 

 

Please accept my respects my dear Sister.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

 

, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

> , deito01 <no_reply@> wrote:

> >>

> > attach yourself as a Muslim isn't it, and all these guys are so angry

> > , because they attach themselves as Hindus isn't it. It is this

> > attachment causing pain and distress.

>

>

> My dear brother Deito

> My dear spiritual brothers & sisters

>

> I am sitting here smiling to myself, with lots of love in my heart as I

> answer this question.

>

> Please take me as you find me, make up your own mind about me based on

> the words I speak, the experiences I share & the learning I take part

> in on this very site, with you all. Please do not judge me simply from

> the name 'Farah.' There is a long story behind this - some of which I

> have shared with you already - but maybe I will share some more.

>

> I was not born with the name Farah, I was not born into Islam & I

> certainly do not follow Islam at all now. I have a mixed background,

> was born in Scotland, my mother half Polish & my father with Italian &

> Spanish descent. (Its funny - for many years I was referred to as

> a 'gori' but I actually do not have a drop of English blood in me.)

> When I was just 17/18 I met a muslim man, who turned my life upside

> down & the rest, as I have said before, I will spare you the details,

> but it was not good. Still, I have a loving heart & have learnt much

> from my difficulties - and I thank him & his family for all for the

> lessons I learnt along the way. Without these challenging years of what

> felt like hell, I would not be the person I am today. I have to see it

> all as learning & be grateful for that.

>

> So, my dear brother - your questions about Islam & 'my quoran!' These

> posts that you think are causing me pain & distress due to my

> attachments to religion.

>

> This makes me smile. :-) I have no attachments to any religion. The

> only thing that causes me pain & distress, is to hear anyone look down

> on, shun, criticize, or belittle anyone else because of their religious

> or spiritual beliefs. I respect you as a hindu, I respect you as a

> christian, I respect you as a muslim, I respect you as a buddhist......

> I dont just respect people who believe what I believe, or live the way

> I live - that's not important to me. I can learn off any human being,

> on any religious or spiritual journey, regardless of who they are. So

> for me to hear someone talking about " other lower religions " - there is

> just no need for this. We need to be an example, to respect ourselves &

> respect eachother, regardless of who we are.

>

> I'll never forget, when I objected about someone putting out a question

> for " christians only " on Answers. Her response to me was " Farah,

> I ask christians because these are the people I most respect. " This

> type of mentality is dreadful & this is the basis of so much hatred

> between religions. For how long are we all going to look back through

> decades of history & cry in eachothers faces & point the fingers? Fair

> enough, there are lots of angry, religious based fights going on now,

> that Im sure many people can get hot under the collar about. But surely

> the way forward is to respect eachother, with all the similarities &

> all the differences we have, with all the lessons we can teach

> eachother along the way. Do we want to move on, with mutual respect &

> understanding - or carry on with these disrespectful attitudes that

> just cause more bad feeling & fuel the fire?

>

> Im sure I have said this before, but let me say this again - I feel no

> animosity towards the muslim family I was involved with for what should

> have been the best years of my life & I do not have any less respect &

> regard for Islam, than I do for any other religion. Surely the way

> forward is peace, respect & tolerance. What's that quote - Be the

> change you want to see?

>

> With much love

>

> & much respect to you all

>

> Farah

>

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

 

> Maya is powerful Farah, and coming out of this is a great process,

> also called Sadhana.

>

> and it was always my belief that paths of love are best for such a

 

Dear spiritual brother deito

 

you hit on the spot.... Love is the key to all the mysteries. We dont

really understand Love. Saint Tulsidas said

 

Hari Vyapak sarvatra smaanna...Prem te pragat hoi mein janaa

 

God is in all cosmos...he can be seen by pure and divine love.

 

We have forgotten to love...it has been replaced by business, sex,

lust, and selfishness......there can be pure love between god and me...

 

Let us love..let us do Love Sadhna

 

Aum