Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 This is a very true & important point you have raised Sawmiji. It just proves, in the manifested world, Shakti is more powerful, which is what Tantrics have known for long time. The Pandavas were happy with a small piece of land in Indraprasth, Kauravs were happy they had gotten whole kingdom, & if Draupadi hadnt insulted Duryodhan, Mahabharat would never have happened. Yet, Mahakaal didnt want it that way. So He, working through Shakti Mahakali, restarted tension b/w the brothers. Draupadi could have stopped the war anytime, but she didnt. It just shows she was better in tune with divine plan than the Prandav brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 shanracer <no_reply > wrote True sir, women proved to be destiny makers in Raamaayan also. Had it not been for Manthara and Kaikeyi Sri Ram would not have left for forest. If Sita failed to accompany Sri Ram ,Soorpanakha could not have had her nose and ears cut. Marichi could not have tempted her in the guise of golden deer. Once abducted by Ravan, Sita refused to accompany Hanuman . Sita insisted that only Shriram should take her back after defeating/killing Ravan. HINDU SCRIPTURES MAKE WOMEN THE SUPREME. ijswamy This is a very true & important point you have raised Sawmiji. It just proves, in the manifested world, Shakti is more powerful, which is what Tantrics have known for long time. The Pandavas were happy with a small piece of land in Indraprasth, Kauravs were happy they had gotten whole kingdom, & if Draupadi hadnt insulted Duryodhan, Mahabharat would never have happened. Yet, Mahakaal didnt want it that way. So He, working through Shakti Mahakali, restarted tension b/w the brothers. Draupadi could have stopped the war anytime, but she didnt. It just shows she was better in tune with divine plan than the Prandav brothers. ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Manifested world is in deed under control of Sakthi, and there is no doubt about it. but this manifested world is Run by Sakthi, under whose guidance.. So what is the motivating force, or who is the original architect of this divine plan... whcih is used and implemented by Sakthi.. So, It has to come from " there " .. than ony it can manifest.. also it has to go " there " ... than only it can be free. this " There " is what really needs to be understood, for once this " there " is understood the things depending on this " there " is automatically understood. This is the essense of the great verse " Poornamidha ... " .. please do not believe the illusionary force is supreme, Nature is supreme, If there is Supreme Nature, than there is a supreme master to whom this nature belongs... and it si HIS nature. Hope these words of my limited understanding makes sense. Best, -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > This is a very true & important point you have raised Sawmiji. It just > proves, in the manifested world, Shakti is more powerful, which is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 , " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu wrote: > True sir, women proved to be destiny makers in Raamaayan also. > HINDU SCRIPTURES MAKE WOMEN THE SUPREME. Yes, Swamiji, they do. To which most men reply " But Shakti is under control of Shiv/Krishna, so men are supreme " But men are also born of Shakti, as everything in the manifested world(ie with name and form) is created by Shakti. People spend so much time fighting if Vishnu or Shiv is supreme. But they both have name and form, so they were also born from Shakti! Gods like Shiv/Vishnu are beyond Maya, but they are not the ultimate. As Mirabai said to the priest " I thought there was only 1 male in the Universe, so how can you claim to be a man? " Shakti is the link between Turiya, or the Nirgun Brahm of the Vedas, & us, the manifested world. Without pleasing Shakti, no one can progress. All this talk of " Shakti is just Maya, under control of Shaktiman " etc is detrimental to spiritual progress. Women are the direct representatives of Shakti, so they naturally have a superior place to men. Before Muslim invaders started picking up Hindu women to add their Harems(some had 40-5000 women), Indian women were quiet open. They could choose their own husband(as in Swayamvar). Tantric families only allowed women to become Diksha gurus(ie give initiation). People couldnt carry out Vedic rites till their wife was present. If you look at ancient sculptures & paintings, they show women dressed fashionably- there was no concept of purdah, which is very common now, esp in North India. Many Vedic Rishis were women. so yes, I agree, HINDU SCRIPTURES MAKE WOMEN THE SUPREME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Oh My god, you have made em a offender. how can you distinguish man and women, or male and female. I never though i had this capability .. . who ever told there if masculine nature in material existence has to think again. The is no Feminism in the real master... I am a male in this Life, but my real nature is not male, ia m of feminine nature. There is only one male, who is called the supreme male.. and everything is feminine to him OR in other words belongs to his nature. and by your own words, if everything which has name has to be born, than Shakthi will have to be born of some higher Entity , or IN worst case ( which i don't believe, but just putting it here) it will have to be derived form The Formless Brahman. Aradhana, don't kill me, i know i am wrong above, but i cannot make everyone understand about the formlessness coming out of the form-ful. All individual souls , though being feminine, expects to be the Enjoyer, and hence the relative maleness, we find in material existence.. In real existence, everything is feminine, except the Supreme and only he is male. The supreme Lord, what ever you call him.. all great saints irrespective of whether they are male or female in manifest, holds the position of a gopi , of Hari as esteemed and aspires for it. Hope i am able to convey what i wanted to .. Regards, -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , shanracer <no_reply wrote: , so they were also born from Shakti! Gods like > Shiv/Vishnu are beyond Maya, but they are not the ultimate. As Mirabai > said to the priest " I thought there was only 1 male in the Universe, > so how can you claim to be a man? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 > , shanracer <no_reply@> wrote: > , so they were also born from Shakti! Gods like > > Shiv/Vishnu are beyond Maya, but they are not the ultimate. As Mirabai > > said to the priest " I thought there was only 1 male in the Universe, > > so how can you claim to be a man? " > Thanks shanracer, you have put it very nicely. In santan dharma women are always respected as shakti. It is due to various invasions, and consequent mix of cultures, hindu women lost their due respect. Three main scriptures Mahabharat, Ramayan and Durga Saptshati tell the glory of women as Shakti. the modern day women are trying to imitate men and trying to be more masculine and thus the problems in domestic life. If a woman becomes a real woman...she can really change histories. Now the question is What makes a woman...shakti ?? Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 > Oh My god, you have made em a offender. > how can you distinguish man and women, or male and female. > Aradhana, don't kill me, i know i am wrong above, but i cannot make > everyone understand about the formlessness coming out of the form- ful. Dieto I am not discriminating between male amd female at all .. infact I am saying they are one. I believe in feminine side of God. I believe in Shakti as much as in Hari for me they are one and the same. I cant understand why you are saying that God is purusha alone! I have not been taught this by my Guruji. I am not saying that we dont need to cross maya or nescience. I am saying that w need to understand things in light of divine love and even the prakriti which you call feminine. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 MSG # 1 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > Now the question is What makes a woman...shakti ?? > > Aum > Yes please tell me what makes a woman a shakti. Isnt she shakti already ? ansuya ============================================================== MSG#2 , urvashii_mohan <no_reply wrote: > The fog clears, and new energy makes you > run up the steps in front of you. > Be emptier and cry like reed instruments cry. Thanks Urvashi, It was a very good poem. please share more ansuya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > This is a very true & important point you have raised Sawmiji. It just > proves, in the manifested world, Shakti is more powerful, which is > what Tantrics have known for long time. > Dieto you misunderstood me. I read the posts again where Shanracer ji says at one point that Vishnu and Shiva come from Shakti! or its either that I misttok his statement. Please undersand that for me Shiva, Shakti and Hari are one and the same. As for his points on matriarchy I was agreeing that woman should have thier rightful place in spirituality. Now see Mira suffered the cruelities of people, she would have suffered less if she was a male. Because people pose greater constraints on women, this is a patriarchal world -it either keep the man up or the woman up(as in case of Tibetans who are matriarchs) but I believe in everyone having same and equal rights and freedom. Also its a naarow outlook in my way that people say that women need not enter any sphere which is " masculine " because this leads to deterioration etc. All the bondages are ceated by society and notions of differencs between man and woman not by God. In Gods world there is only fredom and no bondages, nothing like male and female. So bear in mind that I was criticisng a patriarcahal society and outlook and not scriptures. There is no greater Ishta in my view - all Ishtas are one and the same and greatest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 > the modern day women are trying to imitate men and trying to be > more masculine and thus the problems in domestic life. If a woman > becomes a real woman...she can really change histories. In modern times ie kaliyuga men have failed to shed thier narrow outlook so they blame women for trying to be " masculine " . The boundaries of male sphere or female sphere have been laid by society and not by God. If you mean the subordinate , submissive type of female is archetype of women then you are so wrong because Shakti doesnot represent this. Shakti knows no boundaries and basks in all spheres of nature and those beyond nature too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > If you mean the subordinate , submissive type of female > is archetype of women then you are so wrong because Shakti doesnot > represent this. Shakti knows no boundaries and basks in all spheres of > nature and those beyond nature too > Dear aradhana, you are putting words into my mouth. I have no where written (or intended) that submissive women are better. For centuries hindu women have been abused by dominant male society...and now in modern times she is trying to take revenge..by becoming more masculine in nature. But a woman should be a woman ...as a real woman is shakti not a woman who is allowing to be tortured.. or is torturing in return. I asked a simple question...who is an ideal woman ? AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Two things my dear sister, the first para is for Shantnu, sorry for confusing para .. The second one is , that i know you believe they are one, so i am asking you not to kill me , when you see That para i wrote for Shantnu. Third one Aradhana, I am not saying God is Purusha Alone, But i am telling, We are not Purushas, We are part of His Prakriti. off-course Prakriti is nothign but Nature of Lord, and one and the same. But please inquire your revered guru, If i am wrong, and let me know, so that i will be able to correct myself. See tell him that i told this and ask him if i am wrong, " The Lord in his original Form , is the only Purusha, and everything else is Prakriti , Including us.. it is often bewildering to see so many males in this material world, as there is no other male than the real Purusha. Prakriti is the Internal Potency of Purusha, which manifests as Sakthi, or the fame-nine form, and is always the most close and divine Servant of the Lord But at last please know the real truth as Krishna himself says that he is complete by himself, and is all pervasive and all inclusive Means to tell that form the Supreme Brahman, that is form Hari, His internal Potency Comes out in form of Sakthi to manifest and entertain him, to serve him... and hence we Separate the supreme Feminine Nature and The Supreme and ONLY Masculine. " Please deliver this message to him and inquire form him my dear sister.. Let me know how he guides about this. -- Your brother Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > Dieto I am not discriminating between male amd female at all .. > infact I am saying they are one. I believe in feminine side of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote > Dear aradhana, you are putting words into my mouth. I have no > where written (or intended) that submissive women are better. > > For centuries hindu women have been abused by dominant male > society...and now in modern times she is trying to take revenge..by > becoming more masculine in nature. But a woman should be a > woman ...as a real woman is shakti not a woman who is allowing to be > tortured.. or is torturing in return. > > I asked a simple question...who is an ideal woman ? > > O.K. sorry for misunderstanding you baba. Dont be angry. After all many people say such things and so I mistook your words. In what terms you are talking about an ideal woman?An ideal woman need not be a mother, daughter, sister, wife etc to be the ideal woman because if thats so then a woman who is none of these can not be an ideal woman.According to some woman should be like this , according to others woman should be like that. According to spirituality woman should be like Mira, Radha or Shabri. The one who keeps God above everything and cuts her ego just as Ramakrishna Paramhamsa did is the ideal bhakta/ bhaktaani or whatever > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 All misunderstanding i found , is due to you application of my statements in terms of society etc, my dear sister.. but your brother is not speaking about a small age which is a part of just some minutes of Lord Brahma, manifested under lords will. Please note that i am not interested in manifested entity, but more interested in Manifestation and its dynamics, because i live in this manifested entity for no great period, as this is not my home ... and understanding the manifestation shows me my way back home, isn't it true Aradhana. Mire faced lots of difficulties, and without those she would have not reached that divine state of Love, if she was not a female and had not suffered atrocities .. IT IS ALL LORDS DIVINE PLAN my Dear Flower. lord many times has been More merciful to female nature , of manifested souls because those souls are better evolved than males as they more easily accept Lord to be the enjoyer... though not completely.. And the other thing, is ... you can misunderstand what i write to you, any number of times dear sister, and equally you may not agree also... in both the cases, your brother will be inquisitive and will be expecting reply form you, and also be waiting for correction... form my Sweet Sister... -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > Dieto you misunderstood me. I read the posts again where Shanracer ji > says at one point that Vishnu and Shiva come from Shakti! or its either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 MSG # 1 i firmly believe that every soul, once it crosses the Ego, and dissolves this Ego, with Brahman... than it gets back to its femininity. but this may be wrong, as i have no proof of this , in what i know form Authorized Scriptures. So the is 100% chance that i may be wrong, but i always feel this is the way form inside. Let me know all you views, my dear people. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > > , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit@> > wrote: > > If you mean the subordinate , submissive type of female > > is archetype of women then you are so wrong because Shakti > I asked a simple question...who is an ideal woman ? > > AUM > ===================================================================== MSG # 2 , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > like Mira, Radha or Shabri. The one who keeps God above everything and > cuts her ego just as Ramakrishna Paramhamsa did is the ideal bhakta/ > bhaktaani or whatever > > > According to this or that doesn't matter Aradhana, The only thing that matters is " according to you, your inner self " . where god speaks to you and based on this are krarmas produced and based on which is attached the divine plan of the Lord, how one needs to be liberated.. Does that make any sense Flower. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. ==================================================================== MSG# 3 sorry for typo, not " fame-nine " its feminine , deito01 <no_reply wrote: > > Two things my dear sister, >> Prakriti is the Internal Potency of Purusha, which manifests as > Sakthi, or the fame-nine form, and is always the most close and divine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 > the modern day women are trying to imitate men and trying to be > more masculine and thus the problems in domestic life. If a woman > becomes a real woman...she can really change histories. > Yes true. Nowdays women are trying to become aggressive like men, imitating men in everything. My personal theory is that it is a trick of men- men know they cant compete with women,so they bring them down to their own level, and women have fallen for it. Women have much more psychic power than men. I was reading in a book on Kashmiri Tantra, where he says that what takes man 1 year to achieve, can be achieved by a woman n 12 days. > Now the question is What makes a woman...shakti ?? When a woman gets in touch with her inner being, she becomes an embodiment of the Goddess. But for this, she has to sacrifice her ego, & start living according to the divine will. The power of women is actually the power of the Goddess that lives within them- not their personal power to pick fights, do Saas Bahu type politics, or try to control others. Men have this power too, but it is much weaker. So only women can become embodiments of Shakti, rarely men. So another question follows: Does this mean men are disadvantaged when it comes to Sadhna? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 , deito01 <no_reply wrote: > Third one Aradhana, I am not saying God is Purusha Alone, But i am > telling, We are not Purushas, We are part of His Prakriti. > > Dear Dieto Shakti is not only maya or nature she is also paratparah- that is the one beyond everything- even the immortal and liberated soul. I dont only see Shakti as Lords Yog maya and maha maya. I see her as God too.The devotees of Shakti too aspire to go beyond maaya or nescience.But please understand that Shakti isnt nature alone- she is beyond nature too. I dont know what you mean by Shakti being subservient to Hari because you cant seperate God from his shakti just as you cant seperate sun from the sun light. How can gOD BE INDEPENDENT OR SEPERATE FROM HIS OWN POWER OR SHAKTI?ISNT HE THE OMNIPOTENT- WHICH IS HIS MAJOR GUNA? I dont take the words of scriptures literally because the Shiv puranas say that out of Shiva came Vishnu and the Vishnu purana says that out of Vishnu came Shiva. But in reality Shiva worships Vishnu and VISHNU WORSHIPS sHIVA AND THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME.Now just see Shakti is the power of Shiva, Hari and all devaas together (in Durga Saptashati) incarnates as Maata to save the devaas from demons. Shakti is our mother. How can we say that our father is superior to our mother?? Lakshmi maata serves Vishnu but that doesnt make her lesser because she is another form of the same God.Shakti is God and same as Hari and Shiva even if she worships Vishnu it doesnt mean that Vishnu or Shiva say that there is no need to worship her. bROTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT i FOLLLOW MY INSTINCT ONLY AND i HAVE NEITHER READ MANY SCRIPTURES NOR HAVE ANY GYAANA. but here baba and some others seem to be worshippers of Shakti and know a lot about her maybe they will be able to guide you better. As for your explanation of prakriti -yes - we are a part of prakriti and Krishna is one and only one.There is no one else like him- ofcourse. That day Shanracer said - " I believe in a system where every human can become sidhdha, if Guru Gorakh Nath is Shiva none of us can become sidhdhas. " I never denied this but an incarnation of God is an incarnation of God I believe. If every man was bhagvaan himself (literally) then I would have attained mukti by now because I stay amidst people all the time! I hope someone will throw light upon this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 > Mire faced lots of difficulties, and without those she would have not > reached that divine state of Love, if she was not a female and had not > suffered atrocities .. IT IS ALL LORDS DIVINE PLAN my Dear Flower. > > lord many times has been More merciful to female nature , of > manifested souls because those souls are better evolved than males as > they more easily accept Lord to be the enjoyer... though not completely.. >bRO i WAS TALKING FROM A MUNDANE POINT OF VIEW.OF COURSE MIRA'S SUFFERINGS WERE A PART OF HER DEVOTION TO REACH HARI.THIS POINT OF VIEW IS SPIRITUAL. BUT I REACTED TO SHANRACER JI'S COMMENT AS TO HOW WOMEN HAVE BEEN DENIED THERE RIGHTS IN RELIGION.ITS TRUE. TELL ME HOW MANY WOMEN CAN TAKE SANYAASA IN TODAYS TIME? HOW MANY WOMEN PRIESTS ARE THERE IN TEMPLES? WHY WAS MIRA CRITICISED FOR JOINING A GROUP OF SADHUS FOR EXAMPLE? A MALE KING COULD HAVE DONE IT AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE SAID- " WAH WHAT A GREAT KING-LIKE BUDHDHA HE LEFT EVERYTHING FOR GOD'S SERVICE/OR A GREAT MISSION. " BUT FOR MIRA THEY SAID IT WAS A DISGRACE THAT A ROYAL WOMAN WAS SPENDING TIME WITH PAR PURUSHAS!! I DONT BELIEVE IN SUCH A SOCIETY AND ITS WAYS!! THE SOCIETY WOULD NEVER HAVE QUESTIONED A MAN WHO WAS SPIRITUAL AND HENCE HAD NO REALATIONSHIP WITH HIS WIFE BUT BECAUSE MIRA WAS A WOMAN EVERYBODY BECAME HER ENEMY. OF COURSE THIS BECAME A LADDER FOR HER TO REACH HER BECAUSE SHE ROSE ABOVE IT. BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT SOCIETY AND ITS INJUSTICES. AS FOR FEMALE AND MALE I REALLY DONT THINK THAT ONLY BELONGING TO EITHER SEX CAN ENHANCE YOUR SPIRITUAL SIDE! GOD HAS GIVEN EQUAL RIGHTS WITH REGARDS TO SPIRITUALITY TO EVERYONE. ITS THE HUMAN WHO ASPIRES TO APPROACH HIM NOT A MAN OR A WOMAN. SEE MIRA SAID TO A MISOGYNIST SWAMI (WHO CONSIDERED WOMEN AS A HINDERANCE IN PATH OF SPIRITUALITY)IN VRINDAVAN WHEN HE DIDNT LET HER ENTER HIS ASHRAM- " SHED YOUR NARROW OUTLOOK, FOR GOD THERE IS NO BARRIER OF SEX, CASTE AND CREED " SEE THAT THE GOPIS WERE CLOSER TO KRISHNA THAN ALL OTHER DEVOTEES BUT DOES IT MEAN WE SEE THEM AS FEMALES? NO. WE SEE THEM AS DEVOTEES.EVEN A MALE DEVOTEE THINKS THAT HE SHOULD BECOME LIKE THE GOPIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > So another question follows: Does this mean men are disadvantaged when > it comes to Sadhna? > Men work with logics and women work with emotions (generally). Acceptance is the key to sadhna...and women can accept easily whereas men start arguing ( althought many women too do this ) so when a man accepts, he too treads fast on sadhna. Men have to work hard to accept, and women have a natural tendencies to accept. More over for becoming a perfect Yogi, one needs to have both Mind and heart equally strong and pure. Nature has divided Mind and heart between men and women...so none of them is really absolute. If men have to accept to learn...women have to learn logics...togather they make absolute. However in Natural system women are more important to Mother Nature, as they are doing her job... giving birth !! so naturally Mother nature will help women more. Here just saying, we dont believe in Male-female concept will not do...as we are at a physical level and we have to take into account the gender. One great Indian writer wrote : Those women who acquire male's qualities become whores Those males who acquire feminine qualities become Devas !!! Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 RAM RAM Mahabharat says 1) WOMEN dictate and MEN act accordingly and 2) Inheritance is decided by women keeping men just for name sake > > thanks for asking beautiful question thanks for beautiful answerers. the Lord Sri Krishna himself said this universe is like a garland ,if any one peice is missing from the chain then this world is not complete . Parmeshwar is nirakar Brahma who is formless . then Lord Brahma ,Lord Vishnu , Lord Mahesh were born and simultaneously birth of Maan Lakshmi ,Maan Saraswati ,Maan Parvati also takes place as the shakti of the Lords. some questions were asked by AUM Sir and ... what makes a women .........shakti , who is an ideal women. first it is necessary to understand the difference between women and Shakti and man . think like a robot driver and a car . robot drives the car . robot is man , car is women and the power which is used for movement is Shakti lies with the engine of the car ie lies with women. robot driver is made to drive the car there is no meaning of robot driver without car . and car can not be driven by itself. if robot driver tries to run the car forcefully without rules , the Shakti which lies with the engine of the car will destroy the robot driver .we see so many accidents where the car kills the man . engine overheats and explosion of the engine takes place and robot driver dies. Swamy ji i tried to tell that men and women has their role and shakti controls both , which lies with the women. this all men ,women ,shakti comes from nirakar Brahama that God of all the God's who is formless. some people call that God as Shiva . sorry i have not knowledge of shastra , except the Sri mad Bhagwad Geeta which i read so many times , so my interpretation may be wrong and i may be wrong , just an opinion want to add here . thanks for reading shakti istriyon ke paas hai , kaise aap kahoge . please reply i want your opinions . HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAMA ,HARE RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Humble Obeisances to all. Woman posseses glory & prosperity (of mind and heart),speech, memory, intelligence, steadfastness, and forbearance (Gita 10/34). Only so called intelligent dare to treat and think of her inferior to men. In Aryan culture one is not allowed to perform any Ceremonial Poojas singularly. He should accompany his wife (leally married). Study Rajsuya yajna of Shri Ram. He was compelled to make Golden Statute of mother Sita. Heartful Regards to all. Keshav. Jai Shree Ram. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Thanks Babaji for the good answer. I read somewhere, that men have more control, but they have no psychic power to control, so they try to control outside world. Women have lot of power, but no control , so they waste their energy in frivolus things. So men have to learn how to generate power(with Sadhna, Pranayam etc), while women have to learn how to control their power. Since controlling is easier than generating new power, women have an advantage over men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 , keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote: > > Humble Obeisances to all. Woman posseses glory & prosperity (of mind >and heart),speech, memory, intelligence, steadfastness, and >forbearance (Gita 10/34). Thanks Keshav ji, Had it been YA i would have selected yr answer as best one....LOL In gita Shri Krishna clearly tells that any women who has these qualities is manifesting Krishna in her. so a woman irrespective of her social status, if has these qualities can be said an ideal woman...rather equal to real shakti manifesting God through her. There cant be better explanation Keshav ji... Thanks and pls accept my pranam. AUM There is a story in Bhagwatam (perhaps i m not sure)... a yogi did Tapas in Jungle and after 12 years of rigorous sadhna, he was disturbed by noise of birds. He angrily saw towards birds and shouted... may you all die... and LO all the birds fell down from the tree dead. The yogi was very happy to see his powers. He felt hungry so went to village to ask for food and reached a home and hailed for alms. The Grih-swamini, told from inside - wait sir..i am busy in household ..but i will soon serve you. the yogi waited impatiently and then shouted - Hey woman you wish to give food or ? The woman came out and said - or what ? I am not a bird that I will fall dead on your curses. The yogi was shocked. He touched the feet of woman and asked what yoga you did that you know all ? The woman then sent her to her brother who was a butcher... and said he would know, as she was very simple and had no gyan... and the story goes further.. but the total meaning of the story was that the woman was having all the qualities mentioned in Gita and was serving her household with honesty...and she developed the same powers of a Yogi, without doing any sadhna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Revered Aum ji, Humble obeisances! I know the story. for source I am also doubtful. Inference you have stated is very appropriate. Mere Sadhand won't do. Devotional Karma Yoga or Instrumental Devotion illustrated in Shreemad Bhagavad Gita is must for all. Without this, in Kaliyuga, we can not progress and also can satisfy God. Uninterrupted attachment with Him while doing any Karma and thnking that Karma is for my Lord, as His wish and direction are more important. Then only we ourselves can say " I have done something for me and for my Lord. I am satisfied. " I would like to seek more guidance from your experienced knowledge. Pl bestow your blessings upon me. Heartful regards. Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 , keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote: > > Revered Aum ji, Humble obeisances! I know the story. for source I Dear Keshavji, Yes you are very correct. In fact shri Krishna taught Gita as a guideline for spiritual living in Kaliyuga. Gita has the authentic ways to keep a balance of energies in Kaliyuga. For those who are in Grihastha, it is very appropriate to strike a balance between, bhakti, karma and gyan...one of them will not do. the best way is to check and stop bad karma and offer all good karma to Shri Krshna as our Yagya. Kaliyuga may be difficult for other things, but one can get enlightenment easily in Kaliyuga, with correct application of Gita in our life Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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