MATRIARCHY AND FEMINISM IN MAHABHARAT

[Guest guest]

This is a very true & important point you have raised Sawmiji. It just

proves, in the manifested world, Shakti is more powerful, which is

what Tantrics have known for long time.

 

The Pandavas were happy with a small piece of land in Indraprasth,

Kauravs were happy they had gotten whole kingdom, & if Draupadi hadnt

insulted Duryodhan, Mahabharat would never have happened.

 

Yet, Mahakaal didnt want it that way. So He, working through Shakti

Mahakali, restarted tension b/w the brothers.

 

Draupadi could have stopped the war anytime, but she didnt. It just

shows she was better in tune with divine plan than the Prandav brothers.

[Guest guest]

shanracer <no_reply > wrote

True sir, women proved to be destiny makers in Raamaayan also. Had it not

been for Manthara and Kaikeyi Sri Ram would not have left for forest. If Sita

failed to accompany Sri Ram ,Soorpanakha could not have had her nose and ears

cut. Marichi could not have tempted her in the guise of golden deer. Once

abducted by Ravan, Sita refused to accompany Hanuman . Sita insisted that only

Shriram should take her back after defeating/killing Ravan.

HINDU SCRIPTURES MAKE WOMEN THE SUPREME.

 

ijswamy

 

 

This is a very true & important point you have raised Sawmiji. It just

proves, in the manifested world, Shakti is more powerful, which is

what Tantrics have known for long time.

 

The Pandavas were happy with a small piece of land in Indraprasth,

Kauravs were happy they had gotten whole kingdom, & if Draupadi hadnt

insulted Duryodhan, Mahabharat would never have happened.

 

Yet, Mahakaal didnt want it that way. So He, working through Shakti

Mahakali, restarted tension b/w the brothers.

 

Draupadi could have stopped the war anytime, but she didnt. It just

shows she was better in tune with divine plan than the Prandav brothers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Manifested world is in deed under control of Sakthi, and there is no

doubt about it. but this manifested world is Run by Sakthi, under

whose guidance..

 

So what is the motivating force, or who is the original architect of

this divine plan... whcih is used and implemented by Sakthi..

 

So, It has to come from " there " .. than ony it can manifest.. also it

has to go " there " ... than only it can be free. this " There " is what

really needs to be understood, for once this " there " is understood the

things depending on this " there " is automatically understood.

 

This is the essense of the great verse " Poornamidha ... " .. please do

not believe the illusionary force is supreme, Nature is supreme, If

there is Supreme Nature, than there is a supreme master to whom this

nature belongs... and it si HIS nature.

 

Hope these words of my limited understanding makes sense.

Best,

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> This is a very true & important point you have raised Sawmiji. It

just

> proves, in the manifested world, Shakti is more powerful, which is

[Guest guest]

, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu wrote:

 

> True sir, women proved to be destiny makers in Raamaayan also.

> HINDU SCRIPTURES MAKE WOMEN THE SUPREME.

 

 

Yes, Swamiji, they do. To which most men reply " But Shakti is under

control of Shiv/Krishna, so men are supreme "

 

But men are also born of Shakti, as everything in the manifested

world(ie with name and form) is created by Shakti. People spend so

much time fighting if Vishnu or Shiv is supreme. But they both have

name and form, so they were also born from Shakti! Gods like

Shiv/Vishnu are beyond Maya, but they are not the ultimate. As Mirabai

said to the priest " I thought there was only 1 male in the Universe,

so how can you claim to be a man? "

 

Shakti is the link between Turiya, or the Nirgun Brahm of the Vedas, &

us, the manifested world. Without pleasing Shakti, no one can

progress. All this talk of " Shakti is just Maya, under control of

Shaktiman " etc is detrimental to spiritual progress.

 

Women are the direct representatives of Shakti, so they naturally have

a superior place to men.

 

Before Muslim invaders started picking up Hindu women to add their

Harems(some had 40-5000 women), Indian women were quiet open. They

could choose their own husband(as in Swayamvar). Tantric families only

allowed women to become Diksha gurus(ie give initiation). People

couldnt carry out Vedic rites till their wife was present. If you

look at ancient sculptures & paintings, they show women dressed

fashionably- there was no concept of purdah, which is very common now,

esp in North India. Many Vedic Rishis were women.

 

so yes, I agree, HINDU SCRIPTURES MAKE WOMEN THE SUPREME.

[Guest guest]

Oh My god, you have made em a offender.

 

how can you distinguish man and women, or male and female.

 

 

I never though i had this capability .. . who ever told there if

masculine nature in material existence has to think again.

 

The is no Feminism in the real master... I am a male in this Life, but

my real nature is not male, ia m of feminine nature.

 

There is only one male, who is called the supreme male.. and

everything is feminine to him OR in other words belongs to his nature.

 

and by your own words, if everything which has name has to be born,

than Shakthi will have to be born of some higher Entity , or IN worst

case ( which i don't believe, but just putting it here) it will have

to be derived form The Formless Brahman.

 

Aradhana, don't kill me, i know i am wrong above, but i cannot make

everyone understand about the formlessness coming out of the form-ful.

 

All individual souls , though being feminine, expects to be the

Enjoyer, and hence the relative maleness, we find in material existence..

 

In real existence, everything is feminine, except the Supreme and only

he is male. The supreme Lord, what ever you call him..

 

all great saints irrespective of whether they are male or female in

manifest, holds the position of a gopi , of Hari as esteemed and

aspires for it.

 

Hope i am able to convey what i wanted to ..

 

 

Regards,

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

, so they were also born from Shakti! Gods like

> Shiv/Vishnu are beyond Maya, but they are not the ultimate. As Mirabai

> said to the priest " I thought there was only 1 male in the Universe,

> so how can you claim to be a man? "

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> , shanracer <no_reply@> wrote:

> , so they were also born from Shakti! Gods like

> > Shiv/Vishnu are beyond Maya, but they are not the ultimate. As

Mirabai

> > said to the priest " I thought there was only 1 male in the

Universe,

> > so how can you claim to be a man? "

>

 

Thanks shanracer, you have put it very nicely. In santan dharma

women are always respected as shakti. It is due to various

invasions, and consequent mix of cultures, hindu women lost their

due respect.

 

Three main scriptures Mahabharat, Ramayan and Durga Saptshati

tell the glory of women as Shakti.

 

the modern day women are trying to imitate men and trying to be

more masculine and thus the problems in domestic life. If a woman

becomes a real woman...she can really change histories.

 

Now the question is What makes a woman...shakti ??

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

> Oh My god, you have made em a offender.

> how can you distinguish man and women, or male and female.

 

> Aradhana, don't kill me, i know i am wrong above, but i cannot make

> everyone understand about the formlessness coming out of the form-

ful.

 

Dieto I am not discriminating between male amd female at all ..

infact I am saying they are one. I believe in feminine side of God. I

believe in Shakti as much as in Hari for me they are one and the

same. I cant understand why you are saying that God is purusha alone!

I have not been taught this by my Guruji.

 

I am not saying that we dont need to cross maya or nescience. I am

saying that w need to understand things in light of divine love and

even the prakriti which you call feminine.

 

>

[Guest guest]

MSG # 1

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

> Now the question is What makes a woman...shakti ??

>

> Aum

>

 

Yes please tell me what makes a woman a shakti. Isnt she shakti

already ?

 

ansuya

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MSG#2

 

, urvashii_mohan <no_reply wrote:

> The fog clears, and new energy makes you

> run up the steps in front of you.

> Be emptier and cry like reed instruments cry.

 

Thanks Urvashi,

 

It was a very good poem. please share more

 

ansuya

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> This is a very true & important point you have raised Sawmiji. It just

> proves, in the manifested world, Shakti is more powerful, which is

> what Tantrics have known for long time.

>

 

Dieto you misunderstood me. I read the posts again where Shanracer ji

says at one point that Vishnu and Shiva come from Shakti! or its either

that I misttok his statement. Please undersand that for me Shiva, Shakti and

Hari are one and the same.

 

As for his points on matriarchy I was agreeing that woman should have

thier rightful place in spirituality. Now see Mira suffered the

cruelities of people, she would have suffered less if she was a male.

Because people pose greater constraints on women, this is a patriarchal

world -it either keep the man up or the woman up(as in case of Tibetans

who are matriarchs) but I believe in everyone having same and equal

rights and freedom. Also its a naarow outlook in my way that people say

that women need not enter any sphere which is " masculine " because this

leads to deterioration etc. All the bondages are ceated by society and

notions of differencs between man and woman not by God. In Gods world

there is only fredom and no bondages, nothing like male and female. So

bear in mind that I was criticisng a patriarcahal society and outlook

and not scriptures. There is no greater Ishta in my view - all Ishtas

are one and the same and greatest

[Guest guest]

> the modern day women are trying to imitate men and trying to be

> more masculine and thus the problems in domestic life. If a woman

> becomes a real woman...she can really change histories.

 

In modern times ie kaliyuga men have failed to shed thier narrow

outlook so they blame women for trying to be " masculine " . The

boundaries of male sphere or female sphere have been laid by society

and not by God. If you mean the subordinate , submissive type of female

is archetype of women then you are so wrong because Shakti doesnot

represent this. Shakti knows no boundaries and basks in all spheres of

nature and those beyond nature too

[Guest guest]

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

> If you mean the subordinate , submissive type of female

> is archetype of women then you are so wrong because Shakti doesnot

> represent this. Shakti knows no boundaries and basks in all

spheres of

> nature and those beyond nature too

>

 

Dear aradhana, you are putting words into my mouth. I have no

where written (or intended) that submissive women are better.

 

For centuries hindu women have been abused by dominant male

society...and now in modern times she is trying to take revenge..by

becoming more masculine in nature. But a woman should be a

woman ...as a real woman is shakti not a woman who is allowing to be

tortured.. or is torturing in return.

 

I asked a simple question...who is an ideal woman ?

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

Two things my dear sister,

 

the first para is for Shantnu, sorry for confusing para ..

 

The second one is , that i know you believe they are one, so i am

asking you not to kill me , when you see That para i wrote for Shantnu.

 

Third one Aradhana, I am not saying God is Purusha Alone, But i am

telling, We are not Purushas, We are part of His Prakriti.

 

off-course Prakriti is nothign but Nature of Lord, and one and the same.

 

But please inquire your revered guru, If i am wrong, and let me know,

so that i will be able to correct myself.

 

See tell him that i told this and ask him if i am wrong,

 

" The Lord in his original Form , is the only Purusha, and everything

else is Prakriti , Including us.. it is often bewildering to see so

many males in this material world, as there is no other male than the

real Purusha.

 

Prakriti is the Internal Potency of Purusha, which manifests as

Sakthi, or the fame-nine form, and is always the most close and divine

Servant of the Lord

 

But at last please know the real truth as Krishna himself says that he

is complete by himself, and is all pervasive and all inclusive

 

Means to tell that form the Supreme Brahman, that is form Hari, His

internal Potency Comes out in form of Sakthi to manifest and entertain

him, to serve him... and hence we Separate the supreme Feminine Nature

and The Supreme and ONLY Masculine.

 

"

 

Please deliver this message to him and inquire form him my dear

sister.. Let me know how he guides about this.

 

-- Your brother Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

 

> Dieto I am not discriminating between male amd female at all ..

> infact I am saying they are one. I believe in feminine side of

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote

 

> Dear aradhana, you are putting words into my mouth. I have no

> where written (or intended) that submissive women are better.

>

> For centuries hindu women have been abused by dominant male

> society...and now in modern times she is trying to take revenge..by

> becoming more masculine in nature. But a woman should be a

> woman ...as a real woman is shakti not a woman who is allowing to be

> tortured.. or is torturing in return.

>

> I asked a simple question...who is an ideal woman ?

>

> O.K. sorry for misunderstanding you baba. Dont be angry. After all

many people say such things and so I mistook your words. In what terms

you are talking about an ideal woman?An ideal woman need not be a

mother, daughter, sister, wife etc to be the ideal woman because if

thats so then a woman who is none of these can not be an ideal

woman.According to some woman should be like this , according to others

woman should be like that. According to spirituality woman should be

like Mira, Radha or Shabri. The one who keeps God above everything and

cuts her ego just as Ramakrishna Paramhamsa did is the ideal bhakta/

bhaktaani or whatever

>

[Guest guest]

All misunderstanding i found , is due to you application of my

statements in terms of society etc, my dear sister..

 

but your brother is not speaking about a small age which is a part of

just some minutes of Lord Brahma, manifested under lords will.

 

Please note that i am not interested in manifested entity, but more

interested in Manifestation and its dynamics, because i live in this

manifested entity for no great period, as this is not my home ... and

understanding the manifestation shows me my way back home, isn't it

true Aradhana.

 

Mire faced lots of difficulties, and without those she would have not

reached that divine state of Love, if she was not a female and had not

suffered atrocities .. IT IS ALL LORDS DIVINE PLAN my Dear Flower.

 

lord many times has been More merciful to female nature , of

manifested souls because those souls are better evolved than males as

they more easily accept Lord to be the enjoyer... though not completely..

 

And the other thing, is ... you can misunderstand what i write to you,

any number of times dear sister, and equally you may not agree also...

in both the cases, your brother will be inquisitive and will be

expecting reply form you, and also be waiting for correction... form

my Sweet Sister...

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

 

> Dieto you misunderstood me. I read the posts again where Shanracer ji

> says at one point that Vishnu and Shiva come from Shakti! or its either

[Guest guest]

MSG # 1

 

i firmly believe that every soul, once it crosses the Ego, and

dissolves this Ego, with Brahman... than it gets back to its femininity.

 

but this may be wrong, as i have no proof of this , in what i know

form Authorized Scriptures. So the is 100% chance that i may be wrong,

but i always feel this is the way form inside.

 

Let me know all you views, my dear people.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

> , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit@>

> wrote:

> > If you mean the subordinate , submissive type of female

> > is archetype of women then you are so wrong because Shakti

> I asked a simple question...who is an ideal woman ?

>

> AUM

>

 

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MSG # 2

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

> like Mira, Radha or Shabri. The one who keeps God above everything and

> cuts her ego just as Ramakrishna Paramhamsa did is the ideal bhakta/

> bhaktaani or whatever

> >

>

 

According to this or that doesn't matter Aradhana, The only thing that

matters is " according to you, your inner self " .

 

where god speaks to you and based on this are krarmas produced and

based on which is attached the divine plan of the Lord, how one needs

to be liberated..

 

Does that make any sense Flower.

 

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

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MSG# 3

sorry for typo, not " fame-nine " its feminine

 

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>

> Two things my dear sister,

>> Prakriti is the Internal Potency of Purusha, which manifests as

> Sakthi, or the fame-nine form, and is always the most close and divine

>

[Guest guest]

> the modern day women are trying to imitate men and trying to be

> more masculine and thus the problems in domestic life. If a woman

> becomes a real woman...she can really change histories.

>

 

Yes true. Nowdays women are trying to become aggressive like men,

imitating men in everything.

 

My personal theory is that it is a trick of men- men know they cant

compete with women,so they bring them down to their own level, and

women have fallen for it.

 

Women have much more psychic power than men. I was reading in a book

on Kashmiri Tantra, where he says that what takes man 1 year to

achieve, can be achieved by a woman n 12 days.

 

> Now the question is What makes a woman...shakti ??

 

When a woman gets in touch with her inner being, she becomes an

embodiment of the Goddess. But for this, she has to sacrifice her ego,

& start living according to the divine will.

 

The power of women is actually the power of the Goddess that lives

within them- not their personal power to pick fights, do Saas Bahu

type politics, or try to control others.

 

Men have this power too, but it is much weaker. So only women can

become embodiments of Shakti, rarely men.

 

So another question follows: Does this mean men are disadvantaged when

it comes to Sadhna?

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

> Third one Aradhana, I am not saying God is Purusha Alone, But i am

> telling, We are not Purushas, We are part of His Prakriti.

 

>

> Dear Dieto Shakti is not only maya or nature she is also paratparah-

that is the one beyond everything- even the immortal and liberated

soul. I dont only see Shakti as Lords Yog maya and maha maya. I see

her as God too.The devotees of Shakti too aspire to go beyond maaya

or nescience.But please understand that Shakti isnt nature alone- she

is beyond nature too. I dont know what you mean by Shakti being

subservient to Hari because you cant seperate God from his shakti

just as you cant seperate sun from the sun light. How can gOD BE

INDEPENDENT OR SEPERATE FROM HIS OWN POWER OR SHAKTI?ISNT HE THE

OMNIPOTENT- WHICH IS HIS MAJOR GUNA? I dont take the words of

scriptures literally because the Shiv puranas say that out of Shiva

came Vishnu and the Vishnu purana says that out of Vishnu came Shiva.

But in reality Shiva worships Vishnu and VISHNU WORSHIPS sHIVA AND

THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME.Now just see Shakti is the power of Shiva,

Hari and all devaas together (in Durga Saptashati) incarnates as

Maata to save the devaas from demons. Shakti is our mother. How can

we say that our father is superior to our mother?? Lakshmi maata

serves Vishnu but that doesnt make her lesser because she is another

form of the same God.Shakti is God and same as Hari and Shiva even if

she worships Vishnu it doesnt mean that Vishnu or Shiva say that

there is no need to worship her. bROTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND

THAT i FOLLLOW MY INSTINCT ONLY AND i HAVE NEITHER READ MANY

SCRIPTURES NOR HAVE ANY GYAANA. but here baba and some others seem to

be worshippers of Shakti and know a lot about her maybe they will be

able to guide you better.

 

As for your explanation of prakriti -yes - we are a part of prakriti

and Krishna is one and only one.There is no one else like him-

ofcourse. That day Shanracer said - " I believe in a system where every

human can become sidhdha, if Guru Gorakh Nath is Shiva none of us can

become sidhdhas. " I never denied this but an incarnation of God is an

incarnation of God I believe. If every man was bhagvaan himself

(literally) then I would have attained mukti by now because I stay

amidst people all the time!

 

I hope someone will throw light upon this one

[Guest guest]

> Mire faced lots of difficulties, and without those she would have not

> reached that divine state of Love, if she was not a female and had not

> suffered atrocities .. IT IS ALL LORDS DIVINE PLAN my Dear Flower.

>

> lord many times has been More merciful to female nature , of

> manifested souls because those souls are better evolved than males as

> they more easily accept Lord to be the enjoyer... though not

completely..

 

>bRO i WAS TALKING FROM A MUNDANE POINT OF VIEW.OF COURSE MIRA'S

SUFFERINGS WERE A PART OF HER DEVOTION TO REACH HARI.THIS POINT OF VIEW

IS SPIRITUAL. BUT I REACTED TO SHANRACER JI'S COMMENT AS TO HOW WOMEN

HAVE BEEN DENIED THERE RIGHTS IN RELIGION.ITS TRUE. TELL ME HOW MANY

WOMEN CAN TAKE SANYAASA IN TODAYS TIME? HOW MANY WOMEN PRIESTS ARE

THERE IN TEMPLES? WHY WAS MIRA CRITICISED FOR JOINING A GROUP OF SADHUS

FOR EXAMPLE? A MALE KING COULD HAVE DONE IT AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE

SAID- " WAH WHAT A GREAT KING-LIKE BUDHDHA HE LEFT EVERYTHING FOR GOD'S

SERVICE/OR A GREAT MISSION. " BUT FOR MIRA THEY SAID IT WAS A DISGRACE

THAT A ROYAL WOMAN WAS SPENDING TIME WITH PAR PURUSHAS!! I DONT BELIEVE

IN SUCH A SOCIETY AND ITS WAYS!! THE SOCIETY WOULD NEVER HAVE

QUESTIONED A MAN WHO WAS SPIRITUAL AND HENCE HAD NO REALATIONSHIP WITH

HIS WIFE BUT BECAUSE MIRA WAS A WOMAN EVERYBODY BECAME HER ENEMY. OF

COURSE THIS BECAME A LADDER FOR HER TO REACH HER BECAUSE SHE ROSE ABOVE

IT. BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT SOCIETY AND ITS INJUSTICES.

 

AS FOR FEMALE AND MALE I REALLY DONT THINK THAT ONLY BELONGING TO

EITHER SEX CAN ENHANCE YOUR SPIRITUAL SIDE! GOD HAS GIVEN EQUAL RIGHTS

WITH REGARDS TO SPIRITUALITY TO EVERYONE. ITS THE HUMAN WHO ASPIRES TO

APPROACH HIM NOT A MAN OR A WOMAN.

SEE MIRA SAID TO A MISOGYNIST SWAMI (WHO CONSIDERED WOMEN AS A

HINDERANCE IN PATH OF SPIRITUALITY)IN VRINDAVAN WHEN HE DIDNT LET HER

ENTER HIS ASHRAM- " SHED YOUR NARROW OUTLOOK, FOR GOD THERE IS NO

BARRIER OF SEX, CASTE AND CREED "

 

SEE THAT THE GOPIS WERE CLOSER TO KRISHNA THAN ALL OTHER DEVOTEES BUT

DOES IT MEAN WE SEE THEM AS FEMALES? NO. WE SEE THEM AS DEVOTEES.EVEN A

MALE DEVOTEE THINKS THAT HE SHOULD BECOME LIKE THE GOPIS

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

> So another question follows: Does this mean men are disadvantaged

when

> it comes to Sadhna?

>

Men work with logics and women work with emotions (generally).

Acceptance is the key to sadhna...and women can accept easily

whereas men start arguing ( althought many women too do this )

 

so when a man accepts, he too treads fast on sadhna. Men have to

work hard to accept, and women have a natural tendencies to accept.

 

More over for becoming a perfect Yogi, one needs to have both

Mind and heart equally strong and pure. Nature has divided Mind and

heart between men and women...so none of them is really absolute.

 

If men have to accept to learn...women have to learn

logics...togather they make absolute.

 

However in Natural system women are more important to Mother

Nature, as they are doing her job... giving birth !! so naturally

Mother nature will help women more.

 

Here just saying, we dont believe in Male-female concept will

not do...as we are at a physical level and we have to take into

account the gender.

 

One great Indian writer wrote :

 

Those women who acquire male's qualities become whores

 

Those males who acquire feminine qualities become Devas !!!

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

RAM RAM

 

Mahabharat says 1) WOMEN dictate and MEN act accordingly and 2)

Inheritance is decided by women keeping men just for name sake

>

>

 

thanks for asking beautiful question

thanks for beautiful answerers.

 

the Lord Sri Krishna himself said this universe is like a

garland ,if any one peice is missing from the chain then this world

is not complete .

 

Parmeshwar is nirakar Brahma who is formless .

 

then

Lord Brahma ,Lord Vishnu , Lord Mahesh were born and simultaneously

birth of Maan Lakshmi ,Maan Saraswati ,Maan Parvati also takes place

as the shakti of the Lords.

 

some questions were asked by AUM Sir and ...

 

what makes a women .........shakti , who is an ideal women.

 

first it is necessary to understand the difference between women and

Shakti and man .

 

think like a robot driver and a car . robot drives the car .

robot is man , car is women and the power which is used for movement

is Shakti lies with the engine of the car ie lies with women.

robot driver is made to drive the car there is no meaning of robot

driver without car . and car can not be driven by itself.

if robot driver tries to run the car forcefully without rules , the

Shakti which lies with the engine of the car will destroy the

robot driver .we see so many accidents where the car kills the man .

engine overheats and explosion of the engine takes place and robot

driver dies.

 

Swamy ji i tried to tell that men and women has their role and

shakti controls both , which lies with the women.

 

 

this all men ,women ,shakti comes from nirakar Brahama that God of

all the God's who is formless. some people call that God as Shiva .

 

sorry i have not knowledge of shastra , except the Sri mad Bhagwad

Geeta which i read so many times , so my interpretation may be wrong

and i may be wrong , just an opinion want to add here . thanks for

reading

 

shakti istriyon ke paas hai , kaise aap kahoge . please reply i

want your opinions .

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE ,HARE

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Humble Obeisances to all. Woman posseses glory & prosperity (of mind and

heart),speech, memory, intelligence, steadfastness, and forbearance (Gita

10/34). Only so called intelligent dare to treat and think of her inferior to

men. In Aryan culture one is not allowed to perform any Ceremonial Poojas

singularly. He should accompany his wife (leally married). Study Rajsuya yajna

of Shri Ram. He was compelled to make Golden Statute of mother Sita. Heartful

Regards to all. Keshav. Jai Shree Ram.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Babaji for the good answer. I read somewhere, that men have

more control, but they have no psychic power to control, so they try

to control outside world.

 

Women have lot of power, but no control , so they waste their energy

in frivolus things.

 

So men have to learn how to generate power(with Sadhna, Pranayam etc),

while women have to learn how to control their power.

 

Since controlling is easier than generating new power, women have an

advantage over men.

[Guest guest]

, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

>

> Humble Obeisances to all. Woman posseses glory & prosperity (of mind

>and heart),speech, memory, intelligence, steadfastness, and

>forbearance (Gita 10/34).

 

 

Thanks Keshav ji, Had it been YA i would have selected yr answer as

best one....LOL

 

In gita Shri Krishna clearly tells that any women who has these

qualities is manifesting Krishna in her.

 

so a woman irrespective of her social status, if has these

qualities can be said an ideal woman...rather equal to real shakti

manifesting God through her.

 

There cant be better explanation Keshav ji... Thanks and pls

accept my pranam.

 

 

AUM

 

There is a story in Bhagwatam (perhaps i m not sure)... a yogi did

Tapas in Jungle and after 12 years of rigorous sadhna, he was

disturbed by noise of birds. He angrily saw towards birds and

shouted... may you all die... and LO all the birds fell down from the

tree dead. The yogi was very happy to see his powers. He felt hungry

so went to village to ask for food and reached a home and hailed for

alms.

 

The Grih-swamini, told from inside - wait sir..i am busy in

household ..but i will soon serve you. the yogi waited impatiently

and then shouted - Hey woman you wish to give food or ?

 

The woman came out and said - or what ? I am not a bird that I will

fall dead on your curses. The yogi was shocked. He touched the feet

of woman and asked what yoga you did that you know all ?

 

The woman then sent her to her brother who was a butcher... and said

he would know, as she was very simple and had no gyan...

 

and the story goes further..

 

but the total meaning of the story was that the woman was having all

the qualities mentioned in Gita and was serving her household with

honesty...and she developed the same powers of a Yogi, without doing

any sadhna

[Guest guest]

Revered Aum ji, Humble obeisances! I know the story. for source I am also

doubtful. Inference you have stated is very appropriate. Mere Sadhand won't do.

Devotional Karma Yoga or Instrumental Devotion illustrated in Shreemad Bhagavad

Gita is must for all. Without this, in Kaliyuga, we can not progress and also

can satisfy God. Uninterrupted attachment with Him while doing any Karma and

thnking that Karma is for my Lord, as His wish and direction are more important.

Then only we ourselves can say " I have done something for me and for my Lord. I

am satisfied. " I would like to seek more guidance from your experienced

knowledge. Pl bestow your blessings upon me. Heartful regards.

 

 

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, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

>

> Revered Aum ji, Humble obeisances! I know the story. for source I

 

Dear Keshavji,

 

Yes you are very correct. In fact shri Krishna taught Gita as a

guideline for spiritual living in Kaliyuga. Gita has the authentic

ways to keep a balance of energies in Kaliyuga.

 

For those who are in Grihastha, it is very appropriate to strike

a balance between, bhakti, karma and gyan...one of them will not do.

the best way is to check and stop bad karma and offer all good karma

to Shri Krshna as our Yagya.

 

Kaliyuga may be difficult for other things, but one can get

enlightenment easily in Kaliyuga, with correct application of Gita in

our life

 

Aum