Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Dear all, If suppose our soul if going to god and coming back to body in prayers or sleep. While this is happening.. Is it possible for a soul to take some fruits and give to god? Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 , sarvamaatha <no_reply wrote: > If suppose our soul if going to god and coming back to body in > prayers or sleep. While this is happening.. Is it possible for a >soul to take some fruits and give to god? Dear Sarvamatha, so you are talking of your latest vision? If the sadhaka sees himself going to god and offering fruits either in dreams or during meditation...it can be very real. During visions/and some dreams... we leave the physical body here and our other 4 bodies (prana,manomaya,vigyan and ananda bodies)...really travel to different astral worlds... and in case of some higher sadhaka they may reach his deity's loka. The fruit or flower thus offered is astral not physical and so is our body. It is a good vision and denotes progress. Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I do not know anything like this, but how cute is this, is it really possible.. can i do like this, please if someone knows this , please tell me how.. Yours Brother, -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , sarvamaatha <no_reply wrote: > > Dear all, > > If suppose our soul if going to god and coming back to body in prayers > or sleep. While this is happening.. Is it possible for a soul to take > some fruits and give to god? > > Sarvamaatha. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 > Dear Sarvamatha, so you are talking of your latest vision? If Dear Aum, It's not vision Aum. Before knowing more about god. I use to think soul means heart. Now i can understand what soul means. I just thought what if the soul wanted to give them fruits when they meet god? Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 , sarvamaatha <no_reply wrote: >> I just thought what if the soul wanted to give them fruits when they > meet god? Dear Sarvamatha, the technical meaning of Soul is God...there is only one soul that is of Krishna/Shiva/Shakti as you call him. When we normally refer to soul we actually talk of Jeeva or individual soul. The SOUL (or God or an Ansha of god) has five sheaths over it viz. 1- Annamaya Kosha - Physical Body, and Brain 2- Pranamaya Kosha - Made of prana (5 major with other minor types) 3- Manomaya Kosha - Mind, 10 senses 4- Vigyanmaya Kosha - Buddhi (intelligence) and 5 sensory organs 5- Anandamaya Kosha - Ego and Chitta 6- SOUL These bodies are like russian dolls, each into the other...physical being the outermost. When we die, or we go to some astral world, only our physical body and brain are left and all other bodies travel. Our other bodies are always connected to physical bodies and brain through a pranic connection, which Christians scriptures call sliver chord. On death this silver chord is broken and we cant come back to physical body. Since we are linked to brain...all what our subtle bodies see is recorded by brain..hence we remember what we saw. Like Dear Deito is explaining his experiences on Astral worlds....we can clearly remember what we saw, what we heard. since the subtle 10 indriyas also go with us...we can literally offer flowers or fruits or simply touch feet of our Lord...if we reach him. In some very advanced stages...all bodies dont reach there and Manomaya or vigyanmaya may also be left... but that cant be really explained here. Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 > It's not vision Aum. Before knowing more about god. I use to think > soul means heart. Now i can understand what soul means. Dear Sarvamaatha I dont know what soul is. Where it resides -neither do I wish to know. I like to make it simple - my heart and soul is my God and vice versa. They call him soul I call him God.You can see him anywhere. sorry if i am talking about irrelevant things lol. Why dont you just understand that if you wish to offer him fruits through one way or other he will fulfill your wish. > I do not know anything like this, but how cute is this, is it really > possible.. can i do like this, please if someone knows this , please > tell me how.. > > Yours Brother, > > -- Deito > >Yes Dieto. Its possible, will happen naturally once your desire is strengthened.Then you can take anything you like- flowers , fruits or gifts. The Lord is wearing his pitambar and he is stunningly beautiful. The one who concentrates on his form falls in love with him.His voice is most unique and beautiful. He fills your heart with love so much that you feel he has enterd your heart and you want to visit him again and again. I am sure you and others musthave experienced something like this >> What is called an Ansha of god? what's the meaning of Ansha of god? > > Sarvamaatha. >we are amshas of God- you and I - our soul is amsha of God . We came from Hari and will go back to Hari. We are already one with him.We need to feel only. We will be ultimately one with him when we will cease to exist and only he will remain (in our heart and mind) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 This is wonderful, the order what Dear Aum states is wonderful and is of utmost importance, for one who wishes to get liberated form those layers. also it is very interesting that even the dissolution of this great universe, at the end of maha -kalpa ( or at the end of life of Brahma ) Also follows EXACTLY same order. Thanks my dear brother. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > > Dear Sarvamatha, the technical meaning of Soul is God...there is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 > 3- Manomaya Kosha - Mind, 10 senses > > 4- Vigyanmaya Kosha - Buddhi (intelligence) and 5 sensory organs Babaji, are the sensory organs in both Manomaya & Vigyanmaya(i assume you are talking about Gyanindriya here)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Dear Aum, Have you written more about all the five sheaths in detailed? if not can you tell us with a very simple words as that of how you teach a baby to understand. lolz( only then i can understand easiliy.) What is called an Ansha of god? what's the meaning of Ansha of god? Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Dear Aradhana, I do agree what you say. But offering fruits i meant in different way. To me if i see shiva and shakthi. They are my parents. Ofcourse they are parents to all. It is like, i am married now and living with my husband. Won't you be happy to buy something for your parents when you meet them. it's love. So that way i thought, if my soul meets them, i thought i wanted to give them fruits to my parents. Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 , sarvamaatha <no_reply wrote: > > Dear Aradhana, > > I do agree what you say. But offering fruits i meant in different way. > To me if i see shiva and shakthi. They are my parents. Ofcourse they > are parents to all. It is like, i am married now and living with my > husband. Won't you be happy to buy something for your parents when you > meet them. it's love. So that way i thought, if my soul meets them, i > thought i wanted to give them fruits to my parents. > > Sarvamaatha. >thats exactly which I said- you can give fruits to lord if you wish to, only you need desire from the heart. See Shabri decided to offer him fruits and she was so innocent that she even tasted them before offering. She had faith that Ram will come and he did come and accept his fruits. I meant that your work is to wish and desire, once you wish God/Shakti/Shiva will himself will pave a way for you so that you can easily offer them that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 > Since we are linked to brain...all what our subtle bodies see is > recorded by brain..hence we remember what we saw. Like Dear Deito > is explaining his experiences on Astral worlds....we can clearly > remember what we saw, what we heard. > > since the subtle 10 indriyas also go with us...we can literally > offer flowers or fruits or simply touch feet of our Lord...if we > reach him. > > In some very advanced stages...all bodies dont reach there and > Manomaya or vigyanmaya may also be left... but that cant be really > explained here. > > Aum >Its not necessary that you meditate and go to astral worlds to offer fruits to God. Baba you are making things complicated for her. You have done this but it doesnt mean that she has to necessarily do this. Even without meditation , even without efforts and going anywhere God comes to you if you wish to call him or offer him something. Whoever says God does not come ; only you dont call him like the gopis (from a hymn) I dont know any meditation, or about travelling to astral worlds yet I am able to offer him whatever I wish to. He is there to take care of your wishes. And without a doubt he will come when you asks him to, he is binded only in love and nothing else. You offer him anything with love and he has no choice but to accept it along with your love.Only bhawna/feeling is needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Dear Aradhana, Good Morning.I agree what you said as well as what Aum have mentioned too. But meaning is little different and finally both answers are correct to the same question. If i am really confused, I would have not asked Aum to know more about the Kosha. If i am confused, i just keep quite and watch it. Oneday it will click for me to know what it is. So nothing to worry my dear. I am saying this to know you that i am not confused. lolz. And sorry if you think my words here hurt you. Have a lovely day.Goodnight.( It's 11.15pm here). Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 , sarvamaatha <no_reply wrote: Dear Sarvamata, so wish to know like a kid ??? OK then there are no 5 koshas, no pranas, no OBE, no NDE, no Ansha No heavens, No hells, No gunas, No Prakriti, No heart, No Soul and no GOD. Shiva is your father and Shakti your Mother.... forget everything else...and love them as a separated daughters cries !!! I think that much is sufficient for a kid AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > are the sensory organs in both Manomaya & Vigyanmaya(i assume > you are talking about Gyanindriya here)? > Thanks shanracer & deito, shantnu is right...it was a mistake writing the gyanendriya in Manomaya Kosha. Technically you are right. But when we work from Manomaya body, we have the back up of vigyan and anand body. So let me write in details abt these five bodies. Saint Vivekananada in his famous book " RajaYoga " has beautifully explained the working mechanism of our physical and psychic bodies. When we see an object, say a mango, the first observation is made by the eye. The light rays from the mango pass through the lense of the eyes and make its inverted image on the retina of both the eyes. This image is then transformed into electric pulses by the retina and passed on to brain for further action. The brain first inverts the images and mingles them to make a 3D shape of mango. Now comes the action of Psychic centres, We have a subtle eye in the mind ( we also have all organs of the body in subtle forms in the mind. These subtles organs make a circle around Manas (the lower mind which is responsible for synchronisation of the organs). So the subtle eye presents the information about a mango to the Manas who sends the information to Chitta (sub-conscious mind, which is a store house of all our past memories and is partly connected to the Universal Chitta too). The Chitta on getting the information from Manas, sends back the Vrittis (subtle currents of energry) concerning mango telling Manas its name, qualities, action to be taken. These vrittis are filtered through our Buddhi (intelligence) which decides about the action to be taken, keeping in view the present circumstances. Suppose it acccepts that the mango be eaten, Manas orders the subtle arm to pick up the mango, the subtle arm transforms that subtle signal into gross nervous orders and sends it to physical hand which picks up the mango peels it and puts it into the mouth. The tongue sends signals to the Manas about the taste of the mango, and manas passes this information to Chitta where this experience is stored again as Vrittis. All these Actions are reflected on the screen of Ego, beyond which our soul merely sees as a spectator the whole episode, and gives its silent acceptance. Hence we see now that soul is encircled by Ego which is encircled by Chitta. Similarly we have Buddhi, Manas, subtle organs and subtle Prana and after which we come to Physical prana and physical organs. All these faculties are so beautifully attached to the system of ourselves that every action, though has a lot of sub-procedures, yet looks like one action. This oneness of action is the main reason of our pressence, ourselves as human beings. (will continue...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Dear Aum, Lols, Since you know things about shadhana, you may feel the difference of seperated, when i say kid. I know nothing , but trying to know it. How come then i be sperated from my shivashakthi? . When i have a temple in my heart for them, I am no seperated from them. This is what i belive. May be the pratice make the difference, But Not my heart and love towards them. I know you said this for joke. Just letting you know. Please don't take it serious. Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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