Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 > mercy, my dear sister, i want to see you even in heavens, you remember > our temple.. >Deito which heaven are you talking of? Who wants the heavens? The temple is my Vaikuntha and everything is already here.Awaiting to be enjoyed That verse is also my favourite. Now what makes you think that I am being merciless or fighting? lol My question is for Brahm Samhita? Isnt it the one that predicts the future of all? Written by Maharishi Bhrigu? Can I procure brahm samhita Dieto? Do you have it? baba and Shanracer ji and others -the future of all is predetermined does that mean also our spiritual journey?Can we know through birth charts about the future of a persons spiritual life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > baba and Shanracer ji and others -the future of all is predetermined > does that mean also our spiritual journey?Can we know through birth > charts about the future of a persons spiritual life? hMMM... I AM A " Chawanni Chhaap " Jyotishi dont know much abt it. But I feel that horo can indicate the spiritual inclination of a person...but the progress really depends upon our hard work and God's grace. God has not given all powers to planets.... if he sees the person is sincere and working hard...he may start giving his grace which helps in progress. I will never accept that 100% future is pre-decided, otherwise there is no fun in making this universe. Many things depend upon us and God both and progress in sadhna is one of them donno how far my presumption is right Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: >yes to me its very convincing . Its the same which I think. I have a curiosity. -Why is God very graceful and loving to some particular people who seem to have no great credit or claim to any sadna etc atleast in this birth? Also whoever would see Krishna and Rama would fall in love with them and seeing them wouldnot satisfy the devotee which I think is natural. Yet how come there are others like Duryodhana who dont love him??Some people just refuse to have faith for example they would not welcome Jesus' twelve apostles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I expected these words from you my dear sister, If the same thing if i had told others, they would have started discussions on different heavens, and there properties and also on the methods as of how to reach there.. but our heaven is our Lords home, exactly, and you are absolutely correct. also note that the post is edited, and the word mercy is totally un-appropriate..and in no way applicable to you. I never wrote it. What i told is don't waste to much time on making other people right.. i love what you spread on the great saints and your great gurus and god and others... but when someone deviates.. just one try is enough .... don't try to correct them too many times, neither try to prove yourself my sister... as it is of no use.. for them ( as it wont matter ) and for us ( as we have wasted our precious time ). because if you are true, than you are true and god knows that.. there is no substance of any kind nor any gain by others knowing or not knowing it. This is what i wanted to convey to Aradhana. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > >Deito which heaven are you talking of? Who wants the heavens? The > temple is my Vaikuntha and everything is already here.Awaiting to be > enjoyed > That verse is also my favourite. > Now what makes you think that I am being merciless or fighting? lol > > My question is for Brahm Samhita? Isnt it the one that predicts the > future of all? Written by Maharishi Bhrigu? > Can I procure brahm samhita Dieto? Do you have it? ================================================================== FROM MODERATORS: WE ALWAYS REMOVE THE TRAILING POSTS TO WHICH ANSWER IS BEING GIVEN TO SAVE SPACE. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE WORD " MERCY " WAS LEFT BEHIND FROM SOME TRAILING POST IF MEMBERS COULD THEMSELVES REMOVE THE UNWANTED TRAILING POSTS FROM THEIR REPLIES, IT WILL SAVE OUR TIME AND ALSO QUICK APPROVAL OF THE POST -THANKS ==================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 The second thing what you described is just a play of ego , which is indirectly a play of Lords Illusionary Energy, and hence indirectly a play of Lord himself. The first one, is because what happens in this life, is heavily dependent on previous karma's and also our limitation fo capability matter my dear flower. If someone is very rich .. than people feel god is favoring him more than a poor guy, who has enough to eat, but who is bestowed with the knowledge of lord , who is bestowed with the grace of lord. but in reality who do you think is more fortunate.. the one who is enjoying all material desires or the one, who may be suffering a bit, with no adequate resources.. but bestowed will all those i described above.. so this is just an example.. and even limited by my perception... thats why we call hi the supreme mystic.. and un-conceivable. god bless you always Aradhana, -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > I have a curiosity. -Why is God very graceful and loving to some > particular people who seem to have no great credit or claim to any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 , deito01 <no_reply wrote: >, If the same thing if i > had told others, they would have started discussions on different > heavens, and there properties and also on the methods as of how to > reach there.. Dear deito, you are a bhakta and i really thank you for the verses of Vishnu Puran here. I am reading them with interest. But dear tell me those who discuss or talk about methods are doing wrong ? are they sinners in your eyes ? I dont think so. You are going on bhakti way and they are going (i am also one of them), on way to enquiry and gyan. Should you really take them as wrong or disturbance and give such comments ? Please dont mind just to know your thoughts. ansuya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 , deito01 <no_reply wrote: > > The first one, is because what happens in this life, is heavily > dependent on previous karma' > > thats why we call hi the supreme mystic.. > I was not talking in material context - I gave the example of Duryodhana and those who didnt welcome the apostles. I am actually talking about God's grace in terms of spirituality alone. It has got nothing to do with money etc. For example I dont think there is any karma at all in this world that can give you bhakti. Its grace alone . Read my question again- why all people dont fall in love with God an faith varies even when God appears? Is it purely karma? Keep " ego " out of it because its a question where I am talking about the fact that most people do fell in love with Ram or Krishna ye some saw him but didnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Let me take the case of Haranyakashipu or Kamsa. They saw the Lord but never fell in love with him isn;t it So here comes my first statement, my dear flower. > > The first one, is because what happens in this life, is heavily > > dependent on previous karma' The strength of illusion of not falling in love with god and being an enemy with Lord, and hence attaining effortless liberation form material clutches, is in fact the grace of Lord. It is lords grace, because of which he bestowed the power to Kamsa to hate him. because it is said in Brahma Samitha that one who hates lord heavity and keeps this connection of hatred is liberated by his mercy. Now why this special mercy . Because They were great, Kamsa was a great servant of the lord, Always guarding the gates of the Milk ocean, where My lord Hari lyed with Lakshmi Mata. But one day as Kamsa, who was servent of lord, did not allow Brahma Putras, to go inside, they cursed him, and as punishment, hari gave him two choices : 1.) be a devotee and take 8 Lives and come back to me ( I am not sure if it was 8 or 20 ) ELSE 2.) take birth as my enemy and come to me in 4 Lives.. Kamsa, not capable of being wihtout the lord for londg, Told lord that even if he plays the role of enemy its okie, but 4 lives are enough and did not want to extend. So , the souls who are not that great are liberated by series of birth and death, and great servants of Hari, when have to face punishment, Hari by his mercy , makes them his enemy, makes them not able to recognize him and love him, also even more great souls who are for ever servants of hari, and love hari are those like arjuna, who are always eternally present wiht Hari... So, the capability of not loving hari is got by the mercy of hari, and hating hari constantly is also a secret of delivery, and also leads to enlightenment, thought this may be bewildering and shocking but this is true. -- Your brother deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 , deito01 <no_reply wrote: > > Let me take the case of Haranyakashipu or Kamsa. > So, the capability of not loving hari is got by the mercy of hari, and > hating hari constantly is also a secret of delivery, and also leads to > enlightenment, > > Actually I am not talking about those who had been bhaktas in past or are envious of Lord.There are some who just dont believe or love, kind of remain indifferent. Yet there are other no matter how wretched they are they learn to love him deeply soon.Hope you understand. I wish to know the mystery of this! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 even i dint understand ... aradhana.. please tr to make me understand what you are trying to convey. Do you mean that even non-believers are shown mercy, if this is the thing, than it is because mercy is his nature.. he is all good. but if you are trying to convey me something else, than i am not able to understand my dear sister, please tell me in a bit easier way. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > > Actually I am not talking about those who had been bhaktas in past or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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