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namaste sweet people :-)

 

I need expert counsel especially baba's lol

 

I need help with some things that confuse me. :-(

 

recurring of memories and occasional strong impulses or intutions about

that which was done or felt many years ago or though rarely even during

the past life perhaps(during what we may call " sadhna " ).What does it

mean? Is it natural or strange? Is it an important stage? Sometimes it

disturbs the minds or irritates and sometimes it has good

outcomes.Sometimes it is spontaneous and there is no difficulty at

other times it leads to headaches, problems

What is this? Can anyone help me out with this ? How can I cope with it?

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My Dear Aradhana,

 

what you told are all natural, and many things more can happen, which

are also natural. But happens as per the Plan god has designed to get

you back to your original position.

 

So the secret is in accepting everything as his gift, and welcoming

them in your life, may be it is painful or may be it is happiness.

 

Remember, it is his will, and hence it happens, when one realizes this

truth, what can be un-natural to him. There is nothing un-natural to

such a soul isn't it.

 

Even if he sees fire burning his body inside water, he takes it as

lord manifestation, instead of dying in pain, he will be glorying the

Lord, for his greatness.

 

Hope this made any sense at least, and is of some help to you at least.

 

-- Deito

 

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

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> namaste sweet people :-)

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

 

> what you told are all natural, and many things more can happen,

which

>

 

I want to understand this.You are saying it happens and its

natural.Why it happens etc.

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All attribute in this universe are comprehensive and comprehend-able,

But by whom is a question of ability.

 

All activities are perfectly planned and Layed out in this manifest,

But , Seemingly unplanned and thoughtfully random, are limits of ability.

 

So, when something seems un-natural, it is not comprehend-able by our

current ability, And when we are totally surrendered and totally under

his protection, Everything is comprehend-able and natural.

 

So this happens, because of our inability to comprehend. And our

inability to comprehend exists because of our inability to understand

The Master Architect " The real Kshetragna " .

 

Yato Ekeko Kshetrasya Tagnayaha , Thataha Harihi. Yo yo Atmaan,

Bajathe Krsnanam, Thenam Gnananam Vardhayate, Tha-e mahathmanam

Mayasya Bandhane, Kadachit Na Avyanthi, Aradhana.

 

So, This is because of our in-ability to understand the lord, and as i

see you advancing , i see the un-natural things getting less and less,

and i am sure by lords grace one day it will vanish, when you are in

perfect knowledge of The Supreme.

 

-- Deito

 

Mahodbhavi, maha Harihi Namostute. Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

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> , deito01 <no_reply@> wrote:

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> > what you told are all natural, and many things more can happen,

> which

> >

>

> I want to understand this.You are saying it happens and its

> natural.Why it happens etc.

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, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

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> recurring of memories and occasional strong impulses or intutions

about

 

Aradhana, Deito has so b'fully explained it leaving little room for

further clarification.. so i would add my two cents by saying that the

Sanskars of previous birth or previous sadhna are very powerful and

pinch us every now and then... and re-start the journey, or double our

efforts.

 

It is god's game plan to wake us up and fulfill the purpose of our

this life... if we continue egnoring the call, god may sometimes react

more fiercely and would give us such a big shock, that we will be

forced to wake up...(this happened with me as i refused to listen to

his gentle reminders...lol)

 

AUM

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Dear Aradhana, I made a small mistake in the lines Authored in

sanskrit for you. The word " Avyanthi " doesn't seem to be that good in

its position so i am changing it to " Vyapyathe " = " Will be covered by.

 

Yato Ekeko Kshetrasya Tagnayaha , Thataha Harihi, Pushpa. Yo yo

Atmaan,Bajathe Krsnanam, Thenam Gnananam Vardhayate, Tha-e mahathmanam

Mayasya Bandhane, Kadachit Na Vyapyathe, Aradhana.

 

 

And in the above lines, " Aradhana " and " Pushpa " refers to you. I have

purposely put it in Sanskrit, because These words have implicit

understanding, and you will understand better.

 

-- Deito

 

Sarvasvaaya Namaha, Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

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> So, This is because of our in-ability to understand the lord, and as i

> see you advancing , i see the un-natural things getting less and less,

> and i am sure by lords grace one day it will vanish, when you are in

> perfect knowledge of The Supreme.

>

> -- Deito

>

> Mahodbhavi, maha Harihi Namostute. Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama

Kevalam.

> DEAR DIETO,

THANKS FOR COMFORTING WORDS.I KNOW THAT WHEN PEOPLE BECOME SELF REALISED

THESE THINGS DONT REMAIN BUT YOU ARE SPEAKING IN VERY GENERAL TERMS.

WHAT ABOUT ME?? I AM NOT A MAHANTAM TRYING TO HAVE MOKSHA .I DONT HAVE

SUCH BIG " GOALS " . I HAVE DIFFICULTY CONNECTING PAST WITH PRESENT. ITS

IMPORTANT.ITS COMPELLING. BUT I REALLY DONT KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT!

THATS ALL.I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND ANALYSE THE SITUATION THATS WHY

I AM SEEKING HELP.

 

IF U SAY ITS NATURAL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DID YOU HAVE SOME SIMILAR

EXPERIENCES? WHY IT HAPPENS?WHAT SHALL I DO?

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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> , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit@>

> wrote:

> > recurring of memories and occasional strong impulses or intutions

> about

>

> Aradhana, Deito has so b'fully explained it leaving little room for

> further clarification.. so i would add my two cents by saying that

the

> Sanskars of previous birth or previous sadhna are very powerful and

> pinch us every now and then... and re-start the journey, or double

our

> efforts.

>

> O.K BABA THIS ONE IS CONVEYED IN A SIMPLE WAY SO I AM ABLE TO

UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. BUT BABA I AM NOT ABLE TO REACH AT THE STATE OF

MIND WHICH MY INSTINCTS SEEM TO BE COMPELLING ME FOR. IF I DO REACH ITS

TEMPORARY AND ITS LIKE A FLOOD OF MEMORIES THAT I AM NOT ABLE TO COPE

PROPERLY WIH BUT THATS NOT SO BAD BUT THE BAD THING IS THAT ITS

TEMPORARY AND DISAPPEARS AGAIN AND THAT TROUBLES.CAN YOU EXPLAIN SUCH A

PHENOMENA? OR BETTER STILL MAIL ME ABOUT THIS ONE.

 

>LOVE

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, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

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> Dear Aradhana, I made a small mistake in the lines Authored in

> sanskrit for you. The word " Avyanthi " doesn't seem to be that good

in

> its position so i am changing it to " Vyapyathe " = " Will be covered

by.

>

> Yato Ekeko Kshetrasya Tagnayaha , Thataha Harihi, Pushpa. Yo yo

> Atmaan,Bajathe Krsnanam, Thenam Gnananam Vardhayate, Tha-e

mahathmanam

> Mayasya Bandhane, Kadachit Na Vyapyathe, Aradhana.

>

>

> And in the above lines, " Aradhana " and " Pushpa " refers to you. I

have

> purposely put it in Sanskrit, because These words have implicit

> understanding, and you will understand better.

>

> -- Deito

>dEAR DIETO LOL I AM NOT A SANSKRIT PANDIT LOL I DONT KNOW THAT WHICH

IT MEANS. THANKS FOR UR COMPASSION

>

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When you see your lovely object you sacrificed, and your inner desires

try to get that back, with so called emotional attribute, You

Sacrifice it, by sacrificing the desire itself, And than this leads to

pain, and channel this pain and ask enlightenment instead of this pain.

 

This is just one example, the Loving object may be something you liked

form History, or someone you liked etc.

 

So what happens when you do this.

 

In best case, You get more advanced, and may continue the same pattern

for further advancement ( Mahatma- Mukthi - Nirvana - Moksha )

 

IN the worst case, may tend to get a bigger desire, and fall for it,

and that desire may produce bad karma, putting you behind on the scale.

 

IN NORMAL CASE, with material boundary, under such sacrifice, you will

be rewarded with more material enjoyment, abundance of what you

sacrificed, leading to enhanced material enjoyment. ( actually thought

this seems to be a reward, this is the duty of maya, that if someone

is sacrificing its illutionary enjoyment, it tries to give more

enjoyment, so that the soul comes under its clutches, This is again

carrried out by maya, As per the orders of the Lord, The purusha )

 

Am i clear Flower, if not Please let us all know, We will try our best

to share what genuine knowledge we know.

 

-- Deito

 

Svavaavalambhi, Sampoornaya Nahama, Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalm.

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

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>

> >

> > So, This is because of our in-ability to understand the lord,

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That is the nature My dear flower, That is the nature, Maya is afraid

of the temporary clinging of your advancement, and level. So it tries

to use its weapons to bring you back to the level of control it had on

you or more than that.

 

After all this is the DUTY of Maya, and it is just doing its duty as

per lords instructions. and believe me, whoever does his/her duty,

strictly as per lords instructions, They are very very powerful.

 

-- Deito

 

Sahashra Koti Yuga Dharine Namaha, Harirhi, Sarvavalambhi Namo namaha,

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

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, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

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>

> >

>BUT I REALLY DONT KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT!

> THATS ALL.I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND ANALYSE THE SITUATION THATS

WHY

> I AM SEEKING HELP.

>

> IF U SAY ITS NATURAL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DID YOU HAVE SOME SIMILAR

> EXPERIENCES? WHY IT HAPPENS?WHAT SHALL I DO?

 

 

Dear Aradhana

 

I hear & feel your pain on this one wholeheartedly. I too have had this

for a long time & have been distressed as to how to deal with it. In my

opinion, no amount of will make it 'vanish.' These memories

have come back to you for a reason, to be heard again, to be felt

again, to be worked through. You must look at them, feel them again &

work through them, otherwise they will not go. Its like walking through

a fire to get to the other side. Its painful but it must be done. Then

you will be a strong spirit... then you will be a free spirit...

 

With love to you my sister

 

Farah

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Aradhana...

 

My Guru used to say

 

" Sethari pol thiri " .. In tamil this means... Roam around like a Dead

man..(or woman)...:)

 

Give up all expectation and attachment... Leave aside all distractions...

 

U can try Adi Shankara's method...NETI.... Not this...

If you look for who you actually are.. You can go on discounting everything

you see...

 

Your experiences are not you. discount them...

Your emotions are not you.. NETI

your thoughts are not you..NETI

 

Find out who you are and all your heart burn will cease..

 

Love

 

Bala..

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Thank you very much dear Farah. Your words are a great comfort to

me.I think you have understood that which I said.I have often felt

that they are compelling me so that I work through them and maybe

this will happen slowly and naturally. I need not use other means to

be relieved of them or reduce them.And trying will be of no help. Its

maybe only that I have to go through these difficulties to reach back

the place where I stopped.Maybe its a natural emotional process.

 

Thanks Dieto for your compassionate and friendly efforts to help me.

Lord Bless you

 

PRAYERS FOR YOU

 

ARADHANA

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, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

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> Aradhana...

>

> My Guru used to say

 

Dear Bala ji ,

I am really indebted to you people for your sweet and compassionate

efforts to help me. Dear Bala ji you are a dhyaan yogi..atleast it

seems to me. You fulfill yourself through gyaana.You connect yourself

to God through gyaana What is gyaana to you takes you to God.

 

 

Love isnt about no thoughts or feelings. Love is all about thoughts and

feelings and emotions.Its these that connect you to God. Hope you

will understand this.

 

regards

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Dearest Aradhana..

 

Please dont mistake me...

 

I am not rejecting love and Bhakthi.... I too am some vestige of a

Bhaktha....

The only thing I am trying to say is that the ultimate is beyond

everything.. beyond all duality...

 

True you can easily reach it through love...

But at the final stage you become it and there is no-one left to love....

The drop merges into the ocean....

 

Just that The love can be dispassionate... without the identification that

it is you... the hate can be dispassionate...

 

Not that you have to reject emotions..or thoughts...Just understand and

accept that they are not YOU the atman.. the very acceptance will heal you..

 

love

 

Bala...

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, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

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> Dearest Aradhana..

>

> Please dont mistake me...

>

> I am not rejecting love and Bhakthi....

>I know that you arent rejecting love. I never said that. But I was

only saying that in love emotions are all FOR THE BHAKTA. Whether its

joy or pain its very valuable for him.I dont have any gyaana neither I

am a devotee. bECAUSE THER IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN CLAIMING TO BE A

DEVOTEE AND ACTUALLY BEING ONE.

I know that bhakti leads to gyaana which is necessary. I was not saying

that gyaan is not important.I was saying that love is all about

feeling. If bhakta give up feelings what would he be left with?

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You are right Aradhana, All others follow bakthi, but bakthi doesn't

follow these.

 

Its a one-way relation, for example, if a baktha needs Gnana for one

of his service to lord, than Gnana will manifest itself to him.

 

But the other way is not possible.

 

Similarly, is a Baktha, need to Protect the values, and hence needs

mystic abilities, it will be delivered to him.

 

But just to gain mystic abilities, if he needs bakthi, bakthi will

never present itself in front of such Kruri.

 

-- Deito

 

Krsna Bless all, Kesava Protect all.. Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama

Kevalam.

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

> that gyaan is not important.I was saying that love is all about

> feeling. If bhakta give up feelings what would he be left with?

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Aradhana...

 

I never said give up feeling.. I am only saying feeling is not YOU.. Anyway

no problem...

 

Deito..

 

All rivers lead into the same ocean... No path is higher or lower. If total

bhakthi will lead one Gnana... Then total Gnana will lead one Bhakti too...

 

The moment you reject and say one path is better than the others... then it

becomes biased... There are examples of so many like adi shankara.. who was

the ultimate gnani.. but was a bhakta too... God is too big to favour who he

likes and ignore those who dont worship his one form.

Also.. Why does god need service?? He is the ultimate and who are we to

serve him? in case he needs something he just needs to wish it... Yes the

concept of leela is quoted... But ultimately nothing makes sense... which

includes all paths towards GOD....

 

Just my opinion... Please forgive me if I have said something wrong..

 

Love

 

Bala...

 

 

On 9/14/07, deito01 <no_reply > wrote:

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> You are right Aradhana, All others follow bakthi, but bakthi doesn't

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Dear Bala,

 

Please don't make me feel small by asking for forgiveness etc.

 

It is just sharing of opinions and the knowledge behind, and you are

welcome to point me to what you thing correct, always.

 

What i intended follows and as u see it is just extensions of what you

told:

 

> Deito..

>

> All rivers lead into the same ocean... No path is higher or lower.

 

All rivers lead to the same ocean, No path is Higher or lower, but

Paths can be difficult and easy. Bakthi is the easiest path, and Path

of Gnani is very tough when compared to bakthi.

 

Because

 

Gnana, is Understanding Lord, and based on this Understanding of his

Position and Form, Loving him.

 

In Bakthi, you don't have such condition to Love him.

 

 

> The moment you reject and say one path is better than the others...

> then it

> becomes biased

 

When we reject somthign it definitly gets biased, but what is we

select one. I Select Bakthi, But i am not rejecting Gnana, I accept

the Gnana that comes with my Bakthi as Lord Blessings.

 

But the difference is , I don't need Gnana to prove and establish

Position of Hari. I love him and consider him supreme, wihtout any of

this knowledge also.

 

But a Gnani understands the supremacy of Lord, as he advances with his

Gnana Yoga , or Knowledge about god.

 

> There are examples of so many like adi shankara.. who was

> the ultimate gnani.. but was a bhakta too...

 

Sripad Adi Sankaracharya writes the follwing in his Gita-Mahatmya

 

" Ekam sastram devaki-putra-gitam

Eko devo Devaki-putra eva

Eko Mantras tasya namani yani

Karmapy ekam tasya devasya seva. "

 

 

DIRECT TRANSLATION FOLLOWS :

 

" Let the world have one scripture: The Bhagavad-Gita. Let there one

God be worshipped: Sri Krishna. Let there be one Mantra chanted: His

holy names; and let there be only one activity: the devotional

service of the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna. "

 

 

Here i give some of the Lord's Words from Gita, Which speaks about the

Ease with which we can approach the Lord, in The Bakthi Way.

 

 

Now a line form what Revered RamanujaCharya Said :

 

" api cet sudurAcAro bhajate mAm anayabhAk |

sAdhureva sa mantavyah samyag vyavasito hi sah || (9.30)

 

A portion of the translation of the bhAshya of Sri RAmAnuja

 

" " If even the most sinful man worships Me with undivided

devotion, with worship as the only purpose, such a person must be

considered highly righteous. He is eminent among the worshippers of

VishNu - a great Sri VaishNava (vaishNava (s)reshThasara eva mantavyah

are Sri RAmAnujA's own words). "

 

na vidyamAna uttamo yasmAt sah anuttamah - One for whom nothing

superior is known. The nirukti summarization of Sri Bhattar's

vyAkhyAna is uttamo nAsti yasmAt sah anuttama udAhrtah.

 

" api cet sudurAcAro bhajate mAm anayabhAk |

sAdhureva sa mantavyah samyag vyavasito hi sah ||

 

(9.30) GITA

 

BhagavAn is so grateful that the mere worship of Him with sincerity is

sufficient for Him to forgive all other sins commited by the

worshipper.

 

 

And NOW WHAT I TYPE BELOW IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THIS REGARD.

 

" govindeti yadAkrandat krshNA mAm dUravAsini |

rNam pravrddhamiva me hrdayAt na apasarpati || (MB 3-58-22)

 

" That cry for help uttered aloud by Draupadi even from a distance,

calling me " GovindA " - that cry is never away from my mind like a debt

that has increased with the interest accumulated on it " .

 

 

But Even i started in the path of Ganan, and as i reached steps one

nby one, I was astonished at every step, I felt as if i Will need to

take million birth and deaths in this material samsara and still i was

sure that I will not have even a 1 percent knowledge about The great

Krsna, My Hari.

 

Please don't take me to be egoistic and proving my point. There is no

point that is mine, neither of the two words are mine, and Neither i

belong to this earth, nor i have my home here.

 

But i Try to prove this for the sake of service of the lord, By his

OWN WORDS, whcih NOR do i comprehend , neither interpret. i Just

Translate. The following content is from Revered Gita.

 

***********************************************************************

Krishna describes jnana yoga as being wrought with difficulties and

therefore painful to follow. Kleso adhikatharastheshaam

avyakthaasaktha chethasaam. The path of the unmanifest is harder,

avakthaa hi gathirduhkham, while being conscious of the body for

dehaathmabuddhaya. This is because the self-realisation will happen

only when one transcends the body, mind and intellect and the rigorous

discipline involved in controlling senses and the mind is full of

obstacles and it is easy to swerve from the path without constant

vigil over oneself..

 

Krishna continues now with Bhakthi yoga. `Ye thu

sarvaani karmmaani mayi sanntasya mathparaah, ananyenaiva yogena maam

dhyaayantha upaasathe, theshaam aham samuddhartha mrthyusamsaara

saagaraath,' He says, `I become the redeemer of those, who offer all

their actions to me, always think of Me with undivided attention on Me

as their goal, and rescue them from the ocean of samsara, the cycle of

iransmigration.' He becomes the boat to cross the sea of samsara to

those who surrender to Him all their thoughts words and deeds with the

attitude `kaayena vaachaa manasendhriyairva budhdhyaathmanaa vaa

prakrthersvabhaavaath karomi yatyat sakalm parasmai Narayanaayethi

samarpayaami.' This is the meaning of mayyaavesitha chethasaam.

 

Then Krishna advises Arjuna to follow the path of bhakthi.

He says, `If you fix your mind on Me alone, with all your thoughts

absorbed in Me you will dwell in Me . There is no doubt about this

************************************************************************

 

> God is too big to favour who he

> likes and ignore those who dont worship his one form.

 

Exactly, God i same to all, Just the favourism is dictated by our own

level of help we ask him.

 

And we can ask him how much we surrender to him.

 

And we can surrender him, How much we know him in Gnana.

 

But we can surrender completely in Pure Bakthi. Because Bakthi is

based on Trust and Knowing his quantitative powers is not required to

say he is supreme.

 

This happens if you merge your thought , knowledge and everything else

including ego in him, without a condition of Knowing him. This is Bakthi.

 

> Also.. Why does god need service??

 

Because he wants us to be happy, and he wants us to gain our divine

position. But we have chosen individuality, and now accepting our

service is the grace he is showing on us, by which he wants to deliver us.

 

> He is the ultimate and who are

> we to serve him?

 

We are his Servant s to serve him, and we have to serve him, because

in reality there is no " we " , it is " Him " and we are also part of " Him " .

 

> But ultimately nothing makes sense... which

> includes all paths towards GOD....

 

Ultimately If you understand the above content, it is well enough and

everything starts making sense. Becaus ei have included Words of the

Lord, and his own lines form GIta.

 

 

and after everything, All this is not my Opinion, this is what i

believe in, and i believe in this not because i Know it, or Understand

it, JUST because Lord told me to believe this, it is his words. Adn i

do not need any understanding or knowledge more than this fact to

believe in what he says.

 

So i will believe this in seconds as soon as i know that My Lord, Hari

, HAS TOLD THIS, But a gyani believes in this only when he gets

corresponding gyana, by his yoga.

 

So see both go to the same place, one reaches faster and one takes time.

 

I told all this for everyones good, if i have hurt anyone, Please get

hurt and curse me, but still i am happy, because in the process of

making you read all above content, i have made you read wonderful

things about My Lord and that gives me immense satisfaction.

 

 

See this is the reason even Buddha told " krushNAstu bhagavAn swayam "

 

-- Deito

 

Krsna Kesava, Krsna Kesava, Krsna Kesava Pahimam.

Rama Raghava, Rama Raghava Rama Raghava Rakshamam.

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. Sahashra Koti Ygadharine Namaha.

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, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

If total

> bhakthi will lead one Gnana... Then total Gnana will lead one Bhakti

too...

 

 

This is so true bala, The real Bhakta becomes gyani and a real

Gyani becomes Bhakta...and I think all these paths finally converge at

the Divine Love.

 

Aum

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>sHRI bALA JI ITS TERRIBLE BUT THE PROBLEM ARISES WHEN PEOPLE READ

BOOKS AND THINK THAT ITS SPIRITUALITY IN ITSELF!! SO THEY MISINTERPRET

THE PREACHINGS OF SCRIPTURES. READING SCRIPTURES IS A GREAT THING ,

THESE SCRIPTURES HAVE GREAT POWER TO INITIATE PEOPLE EASILY ON THE PATH

OF SPIRITUALITY AND HELP THEM ALL ALONG THE WAY TOO. ALONG WITH READING

PRACTICE OR WHAT WE CALL EXPERIENCING IE LIVING GYAANA OR BHAKTI IS

VERY IMPORTANT. OTHERWISE NO BOOKS WILL HELP.

AS SAINT KABIR SAYS

POTHI PAD PAD JAG MUA BHAYA NAA PANDIT KOI

DHAI AAKHAR PREM KE PADEY SO HI PANDIT HOI

 

HOW TRUE!!

WHEN I GO TO TEMPLE AND SEE BHAKTAS SERVING , MEDITATING OR

READING ,DOING SANKIRTAN, READING SCRIPTURES ETC WITH SO MUCH LOVE I

ALWAYS THINK - HOW FOOLISH IT IS. PEOPLE THNK THAT LEARNNG OR READING

BOOKS IS SPIRITUALITY WHEREAS EVEN A LITTLE BHAKTI OR SERVICE LEADS TO

SO MUCH PROGRESS WHICH READING 100 BOOKS CAN NOT!

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