Siddhis and miracles

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, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

Do all the saints have miracle powers ? In

> India people accept a saint only if he does some miracle, like

>healing or telling future.

> Is it possible that someone is enlightened but he does not

have

> miraculous powers ?

 

 

The path to enlightenment passes through the realms of Siddhis

and miraculous powers. some people show it off (and fall down from

siddhis) and some people dont show it at all...like vivekananda,

Shri Aurobindo etc.

 

Some gurus use these siddhis, to guide and gauge their

disciples's progress, and some use these siddhis to fool people.

 

Siddhis are given by God, to help us in our path. One of my

friend after doing sadhna for some years, told me that he was

feeling that his palms becoming very hot during sadhna. I

understood it was healing energy which came to him due to his

meditation.. so I asked him to use healing energy, which he

reluctantly used on family members and found it was working well.

 

We can not escape siddhis... some people (like Ramana

Maharishi)...had denounced siddhis in last birth, as they take this

birth only for the final leap.

 

I will write a post on siddhis soon

 

AUM

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Pranam

Yes Babaji the problem with most of the people is they just want

miracles. That is the main reason Hindus go to Darga, do pooja to

every stone they see and every baba who come on the way.

 

The problem is we people never try to solve our problems and search

ways to escape them and at that point of time these people come into

the way,

When people like Vivekanada say a way to God it is almost a difficult

way and a long process but the common man wants a shortcut which

actually is not there so these Babas take advantage of them and use

the people.

 

Knowledge is important to get away from all these, but again who'll

teach the knowledge without any personal interest.

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babaji :

 

This is an interesting topic.

 

a Chinese proverb goes like this

 

The miracle

is not to fly in the air,

or to walk on water,

but to walk on the Earth.

 

Yes! A journey of thousand miles begins with a single step! A

single step in the right direction. tRUE sPIRITUALITY LES IN WALKING

IN THE STEPS OF GREAT SAINTS LIKE ADI SHANKARA , SRI rAMANA , SRI

RAMAKRISHNA , SRI AUROBINDO , SWAMI VIVEKANANDA ETC ETC !

 

Yes! You are right, babaji - Siddhis are a by product of

Realization. But TRUE saints are known *not* for their siddhis but

for their ATMA GYANA !

 

Let me recapitulate a story from Adi Shankara Bhagavadapada FROM sRI

SHANKARA DIGVIJAYAM !

 

" During the rainy season, the river Narmada was in spate. The flood

waters rose and were about to enter the cave in which Adi Shankara's

Guru was sitting, deeply immersed in samadhi. His disciples did not

dare to disturb him, though his life was in danger. Then

Shankaracharya placed his kamandalu (water pot) at the entrance of

the cave saying that it would absorb all the waters of the flood.

His words came true. The flood waters could not disturb his Guru's

meditation. Guru Govindapada blessed him saying " Just as you

contained the flood waters in your kamandalu, you should write

commentaries containing the essence of the Vedantic scriptures. By

this work you will gain eternal glory. "

 

so , do we remember Adi Shankara Bhagvadapada for such

Miracles or do we Honor Adi Shankara Bhagvadapada for all the great

works and commentaries he wrote on the Srimad Bhagwad Gita ,

upanishads, brahma sutra bhasya ... and other granthas and Slokas ?

 

Similarly , Shri Hanumanji was blessed with the eight Siddhis and

nine Ridhis which he employed only for upholding 'Dharma' and to

vanqish the evil demon Ravana!! HANUMANJI IS KNOWN NOT FOR HIS

MIRACULOUS POWERS ( LIKE ANIMA AND GARIMA SIDDHI) BUT FOR HIS

EXTREME DEVOTION TO SRI RAMA!

 

Some munis like Durvasa rishi used their siddhis ( more like occult

powers) to curse others! That is the worst way to put one's siddhis

to us! That is more in the real of witchcraft!

 

very fascinating subject , babaji - i am waiting for your views !

 

ps - shri ramakrishna was not in favor of practicing siddhis .

Though he was well versed in all 64 tantras , he never believed in

practicing them !

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This thread should be read by all hindus, So that they can learnt eh

fact that hardwork is the only kkey, and searching for shortcuts

specially in spiritual path without surrendering to Lord Can lead them

to troubles.

 

As part as mystic abilities is concerned.

 

Every Yogi or Saint, By very definition is the one who is protected by

the Lord, and who has connection To the lord.

 

Mathematically relation is as follows :

 

H = Human boundary

X --> Tends to A extention Boundary ( Finite Plane ).

I = Infinity or Lord.

 

Control ( H ) is an integral Equation to X.

 

That means, in simple Words,

 

H is a Delta or a small component of X.

 

that means HUGE VALUE ( H ) + .... n times = X

 

or H is par to ( INTEGRAL ) of X.

 

 

But this value is true only till H is not connected to the Infinity (

Lord ). Remember at all points that X ( material boundary , and hence

the effect of maya ) is a small part of I.

 

So When H(delta) becomes a saint or Yogi or etc... he becomes integral

part of I. How much he integrates into I depends on the advancement of

Yogi.

 

If he is completely integrated into I, than He no more is a delta and

He becomes the part of Controller of X ( Maya ).

 

See the beauty of the above equation.

 

Now the saints you find here, are not Completely integrated to I, but

are partially integrated And depending on how mcu hthey are Inetgrated

, taht mcuh the are protected form Maya or IN OTHER WORDS they are

INDEPENDENT FORM EFFECTS OF MAYA.

 

MYSTICISM IS NOTHING BUT NOT BEING AFFECTED BY MAYA. THIS ALSO PROVES

THE OTHER FACT THAT LORD BEING THE OWNER OF MAYA, IS ALSO THE SUPREME

MYSTIC.

 

---

 

In spiritual terms, a saint if given protection from maya, as he is

being integrated form the lord.

 

Note that this gravity , time , space , dimentionsetc etc etc are part

of Maya.

 

So EVERY SAINT IS MYSTIC UPTO SOME EXTENT. TAHT EXTENT DEPENDS ON HIS

ADVANCEMENT.

 

TO put it in even more simple words, see .

 

Now If Maya is trying to control me, For example Gravity.. Than as a

part of me is merged with his lotus feet, By extension Maya Also tries

to control my merged part, which belongs to Lord, or Owner of Maya.

and obviously, will not be able to, and i become mystic, in the sense

that i won gravity.

 

but truly no one won gravity, but is unaffected by that because i am

part of its owner.

 

 

But before typing such things what i have typed above, We need to be

careful See even i did the following in my meditation, for sometime.

 

All authorities at his Lordship. if I have mistakenly offended any

forces, that is done for the sole purpose of the service of the Lord,

and hence i request all the forces to forgive me, and assist me in my

minute endevours to service Hari.

 

-- Deito

 

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. Harihi Virh-Harihi, Sakalarha-

Anantha Vibhavi. Harihi Om.

 

 

Remember one main part

, " BHADRA RAO JANAGAM " <bjanagam

wrote:

>

> Pranam

> Yes Babaji the problem with most of the people is they just want

[Guest guest]

Pranam

 

Please tell me the difference in leelas done by Sri Krishna and by the

Saints and Siddhas. As some where or other they are close to each

other and Yes I know that Krsna's leela was for the happiness of the

world and by some siddhas was for self happiness.

 

What was the necessity for the supreme being to show those leelas,

which he never showed in his previous incarnations.

 

Regards

 

Badri

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Dear Badri,

 

Please accept my revered obeisances.

 

I am not able to comprehend your question. when you tell the following :

 

> What was the necessity for the supreme being to show those leelas,

> which he never showed in his previous incarnations.

 

What are you trying to imply. are you speaking of his previous

incarnations or some other forms of him or other Siddhi saints who

claim to be incarnation or part of him.

 

If it is in my capabilities, I will definitely try to answer your

questions.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " BHADRA RAO JANAGAM " <bjanagam

wrote:

>

> Please tell me the difference in leelas done by Sri Krishna and by the

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, " BHADRA RAO JANAGAM " <bjanagam

wrote:

 

Thanks Deito and Urvashi for your wise feed-back on this important

aspect.

 

Dear Badri, You very cunningly used the word Leela for Krishna and

Siddhis for siddhas, otherwise i would have taken you on this...LOL

 

Krishna is God Himself...so the miracles he did were natural for

him, because the whole Nature is his own self, his slave. He came

here for a purpose and to fulfil that purpose, he bent the natural

laws, so that the purpose is not defeated.

 

Krishna's leelas were not to please anyone, but to complete his

mission...be it killing of asuras, lifting mountain, setting the Sun

and re-rising it etc etc.

 

A Siddha is not god, but an illuminating part of HIM. A real siddha

performs miracles to guide their disciples or to fulfil a purpose of

god,... not to increase number of his disciples or to impress

people. And any siddha who does it for impressing no more remains a

Sidhha as he loses his powers and may become a cheap magician to

continue impressing his chelas....and we have many such examples in

India of such saints.

 

Great Siddhas even dont perform miracles to save them from

negativity. Mother Nature protects them. Like in Autobiobraphy of

a Yogi there is an incident of Taillang Swami who used to drink milk

brought by his disciples. One communist type man brought lime water

and offered him as milk. Taillang Swamy happily drank that poison,

and the crooked man started burning from inside as if he had taken

the poison... he asked for forgiveness from Swami, who happily

removed his pains.

 

Taillang swami did not use his powers to save himself and give

pains to the other.... he did it quite naturally and since he was

protected by Mother Nature, who arranged everything on his behalf.

 

AUM

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A Siddha is not god, but an illuminating part of HIM. A real siddha

performs miracles to guide their disciples or to fulfil a purpose of

god,...

 

 

Dearest Babaji...

 

I am a little confused on this one....

 

Is there anything in this universe that is not God>>>???

 

Love

 

Bala...

 

 

On 9/13/07, Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

 

>

> Is there anything in this universe that is not God>>>???

 

 

LOL Bala....trying to catch me by tail ?

 

Yes everything in this world is God, even a grain of sand...but

not as GOD... all are his manifestations....lower ones faded by Maya.

 

And when I say siddha is not god...it is a relative term not

absolute. Have you read my answer to jitinder about Ocean and a

drop of ocean.. i think that explains this.

 

When we speak from human consciousness, we have to take into

account the Supreme beyond Maya and his manifestation encircled by

Maya and bound in Ashta Paashas....even if apparent they are real at

the ground level.

 

Love

 

AUM

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Babaji...

 

Since I am following you...I could only see your tail )

 

Forgive me.. It was too tempting...)

 

Love

 

Bala..

 

 

On 9/14/07, Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

> LOL Bala....trying to catch me by tail ?

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Siddhi means Perfection. A circus boy walking on rope is also a

Siddha. But in Sadhnaa we have different meaning of siddhis. In the

present state of mind and body, we are limited in our

deeds and powers. When one develops into higher realms

of sadhnaa, one's mind is attached to Universal

mind, and prana with the Universal Prana.

 

This Yoga(Union) gives certain additional powers to the Sadhakaa

and is called Siddhi. There are mainly Four type of

siddhis

 

1 - Param Siddhi

2 - Maha siddhi

3- Gaun siddhi

4- Kshudra siddhi

 

These siddhis are gained by Meditation, Mantra Japa, Chemicals, and

by Yoga.

 

Siddhis can also be attained by Shakti paat (sudden

awakening of kundalini) about which we will separately

discuss. Now let us see what these siddhis are.

 

KSHUDRA SIDDHIS (Lower siddhis) These lower

siddhis are of 5 types

(1) Trikaalagyataa (knowing Past and Future ). This is a very common

siddhi among Sadhakaa and any one who is a little advanced on the

path will first start seeing about his own Past and Future,

and later on about any one. Some sadhakaa might have

seen some glimpses of their past lives during dreams or visions.

When our Chitta (Sub-conscious mind) is under control of Mind, this

siddhi is gained. Since Chitta is a store house of all our previoius

births and is also connected to Universal Chitta, it brings the

information about Past and Future into our conscious mind

hence the siddhi.

 

(2) Adwandataa (no effect of Heat and cold joy and grief). Some

practice of Hathha Yoga or Pranayama brings this siddhi. If we go to

Gangotri we will be able to see many saints sitting in caves and

doing their sadhna without any warm clothings or heating. Sometimes

the tempratures goes well beyond zero there but it does not disturb

them. This is possible due to this siddhi.

 

 

(3)Parachittaabhigyata (Knowing about others thought) : This is also

very common siddhi and I am sure many of our members must be having

it. This is also gained by control over sub-conscious who brings in

the thoughts of others into our consciousness. A mother has a

natural siddhi of this type about her child, and she knows

intuitionally what the child needs. With sadhnaa this siddhi can be

developed into full fledged thought reading siddhi. It is not very

uncommon to see some people who do this thought reading.

 

(4) Pratishthhamba ( No effect of poisons, water, fire, air etc):

This siddhi is also received at a higher stage of meditation and is

given by god to protect our body from untimely death before

completing the sadhnaa

 

(5) Aprajaya (victory): One who has this siddhi can not be defeated

by any one in any way. This siddhi is gained when one has controlled

5 Bhutas (earth,water,sky,air,fire).

 

GAUN-SIDDHIs:

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(intermediatery): There are 10 types of siddhis which come under

this head. These are :

1- Anurmi : victory over grief, hunger, thirst etc.

 

2- Doorshravan: One who has this siddhi can see any thing said any

where in the Universe

 

3- Doordarshana : One can see anything any where in the Universe

with this siddhi

 

4- Manojava : One can reach anywhere with this

siddhi in a fraction of a second

 

5- Kamroop : One can change any form with this siddhi

 

6-Parakaayaa pravesha: One can enter into other's body with

this siddhi. Shri Shankracharya when wanted to know

about domestic life, he entered into the dead body of

King sundhava by this siddhi

 

7- Swachhandmaran: One who has this siddhi can die at his wish. He

can evade death till he wishes.Bhishma in Mahabharata

had this siddhi and he used it to evade death for

some time.

 

8- DevKridanudarshan: One can see Devas in higher planes with this

siddhi.

 

9- Yathha Sankalp siddhi : One who has this siddhi can make

out any thing out of ether.

 

10 -Apratigathati: One who has this siddhi is obeyed by

all.

 

MAHASIDDHIS:

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These are eight and these are :-

 

1- Animaa : One can make one's body as small as atom with this

siddhi

 

2-Mahima : One can make one's body as big as mountain

 

3-Laghima : One can make one's body lighter than air with

this siddhi

 

4- Prapti : with this siddhi one can

get any enjoyment for his any organ

 

5-Prakamya:With this siddhi one can see any astral or causal

plane

 

6- Isheetaa: One can generate any type of Maya

(illusion) with this siddhi

 

7- Vashitaa: One who has this

siddhi becomes unattached to Karmas and does not enjoy

the world.<br>8- Khyaati: One who has this siddhi

becomes popular in the world.

 

PARAM SIDDHI: There are three types of Ananda

(enjoyments). Indriyagamya Ananda - an enjoyment which is felt...

 

(To continue...)

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

> 1 - Param Siddhi

> 2 - Maha siddhi

> 3- Gaun siddhi

> 4- Kshudra siddhi

 

PARAM SIDDHI: There are three types of Ananda (enjoyments).

 

Indriyagamya Ananda - an enjoyment which is felt

by 5 organs. This type of Ananda is for

Animals.

 

Manogamya Ananda : This enjoyment is felt by Mind…and any

enjoyment felt by organs is transmitted to mind too. This

Ananda is for human beings

 

Buddhigamya Ananda:

Ananda felt by intellegence. This Ananda is enjoyed by Devas (gods).

 

There is another ananda, which is beyond these 3 Anandas which is

called Param ananda (extreme bliss). This type of Ananda is for

Great saints and higher gods.

 

Any Ananda received from any siddhi is perishable hence all other

siddhis are perishable too. These siddhis are not for those whose

aim is Mokshaa.

 

This siddhi is gained when one is perfect in samadhi. From savikalpa

Samadhi this Parma Ananda starts pouring in and in Nirvikalpa

samadhi, one is completely in the Bliss. siddhis are normally taken

as hinderances in one's way.

 

In a way this true, a siddhi will become useless and hinderance if

it is not used to promote one's consciousness. Moreover if siddhi is

used to harm others, a sadhaka may fall down from his path and may

even take birth as animal to compensate for the harm. siddhis are

granted by the Universal System to us, to help us understand the

Tantraa of Universe well and find a way beyond it.

 

When one gets a siddhi, it should neither be used for

any material gains nor to further the ego. It has to

be kept secret and if one tells about one's siddhi,

to show his proud, the siddhi leaves the person and

has to be regained with double efforts.

 

 

All types of siddhis are a way to get Param Siddhi which is

the final and last siddhi for a sadhaka.

 

Patanjal Yoga pradeep has a detailed mention of these

siddhis and the way to get them. But Sage Pantajali tells

in the end

 

Tey smadhavup sarga vyutathhaney sidhayaa…..

 

These six siddhis are a hinderance for those who are on the higher

state of mind. On the path of sadhna It is sure and certain, that

one or the other siddhi will be gained by us. Siddhis are a sort

of meter which tells us where we stand in sadhna. So instead of

ignoring siddhis and avoiding them, we should recognise the siddhi

being gained by us and use it for noble purpose of going to higher

planes of consciousness….that is Param Siddhi.

 

So dear friends, see carefully if you have any of above siddhis in

you, and find out how you can utilise that siddhi to gain higher

spiritual grounds.

 

Aum

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I donno even a single siddi, and i beg lord , so that he will save me

falling into these siddis. I just trust him

 

It is this relation of trust that exists between me and my Lord. He

will take me to where i belong, by his love, with his will.

 

 

I donno why i always feel this is the way even lord wants me to

follow. But i am happy i am not desiring for these siddis and i

sincerely believe this not desiring is also a capability bestowed by

his mercy.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: