Ahankar -what is it?

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, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

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> Hi Ansuya...

>

> Past lives are as much or more a dream as the present one... do not

bother

> about it...I was into all this nonsense 10 years back.... no doubt

 

Bala sir you confused me lol

 

Ok i have another doubt. Most saints tell us to kill Ego or

ahankar. Is it not technically wrong? becasue if ego is killed our

whole body is finished it is only due to ego we have mind and body.

 

Do they just say it or have some other meaning?

 

Ansuya

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Ansuya..

 

You are spot on.... You cannot destroy ego completely while still in the

body... Because without Ego the body will die.

 

What our saints mean by removing ahamkar is to convert the crystalised ego

of Mine to just a I ness...By moving from the mind to the atman... by moving

from mine to ours.....

 

When we drop even the " Ours " , then all barriers are removed. Finally the

last leap is total sublimation of all differences and merging into the

infinite current.

 

 

Some one asked the buddha..... " What will happen to you after your death... "

 

He replied by asking another question " what happens to a flame after it is

blown off " ?

 

 

love

 

Bala...

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Humble Obeisances to all! Anusuya is right.

 

Ego can not be killed. One can divert and utilise his ego in such a way that he

sublimes it properly. How? Do have ego to become good devotee, to serve

humanity, to do intense penances, and like that. 'Yes I shall be devotee like

Prahlad' is good divertion.

 

In this way if ego is diverted, it is automatically suiblimed for noble cause

and won't harm in routine life. Heartful Regards. = Keshav.

 

ansuya80 <no_reply > wrote: --- In

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, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

 

> Ok i have another doubt. Most saints tell us to kill Ego or

> ahankar. Is it not technically wrong? becasue if ego is killed our

> whole body is finished it is only due to ego we have mind and body.

>

> Do they just say it or have some other meaning?

>

> Ansuya

>

 

I am sorry Ansuya this important question was missed by me...and i

think except respected Keshavji, nobody else replied.

 

What saints advise us to leave Ahankar is not aham (ego-or

jivatma). You are right without ego, not even physical body but

subtle body even cant survive. But to attain the final leap towards

Moksha this aham or ego is also to be abandoned only then one can

fix himself in Nirvikalpa samadhi.

 

I wrote somewhere in earlier posts that we have two egos. One is

the aham or the jivatma ego, and the other is ahankar. We will call

them " I " and " i "

 

this " i " is a creation of mind and buddhi. when we take birth,

this " i " is developed slowly by telling us that we are such and

such...this is our religion, this is our nationality and this is our

duty etc.

 

This small " i " is the false ego, which is responsible for most of

our problems and sufferings. It is prejudiced, pre-planned and

attached to body consciousness and away from divine light.

 

Whereas the " I " is pure ego made of pure Tamoguna and is nearest to

god. Anybody even awakening at that level is almost equal to have

attained Moksha and is called Videha. Videha are higher than all

the astral planes upto Brahmloka

 

This " i " dies with the death of body, hence it is afraid of death,

it is trying to be alive, to be suprerior, to be most powerful and

what not.

 

The saints advise us to kill this little " i " , so that we are free

from chains of material world and body....how to do it is the sole

purpose of Sadhna

 

AUM

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Dear Aum,

 

Your article re; ahankar-what is it? made an interesting

reading but there is one sentence which i can't make out.

You state " whereas the " " I " " is pure ego made of pure Tamoguna

and is nearest to god " .

Sato is satwik

Rajo is rajasic

Tamo is tamasic therefore can tamoguna(tamasic) be nearest

to god. Can you please elaborate.

 

Thanks and regards

Sudhakar

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> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

> Tamo is tamasic therefore can tamoguna(tamasic) be nearest

> to god. Can you please elaborate.

 

Sudhakarji, many people think that " Satogun = Good " & " Tamogun=bad " ,

which is not correct - no Guna is good or bad- as long as the Gunas

are balanced, man remains happy.

 

If you had no Tamogun, you would never be able to sleep- & your body

would burn out. You would die very young.

 

One reason Yogis can live for so long(Vedas say mans normal lifespan

is 120 years-yet nowdays no one lives that long, inspite of the so

called advances of science!) is that Yogis slowed their breathing &

metabolism, in other words, they brought Tamogun on themselves, but

this was controlled Tamogun.

 

No Gunas is complete in itself, as Krishna says, we have to transcend

all gunas.

 

But Saakshi Bhaav, or Pure Ego, which is closest to God, is actually

made by light of soul falling on Tamogun. Para-Shakti takes the Light

of the Self, & creates 3 main things with it:

 

1. With Satogun- Buddhi or Vivek(loosely translates as Wisdom, of the

3rd eye, not worldly wisdom)

 

2. With Rajogun- mind. Thats why mind likes to jump around so much- it

is pure Rajogun

 

3. With Tamogun, Pure Ego, whats called Sakshi Bhaav.

 

This Saakshi bhaav is closest to God.

 

What we see in normal world is corrupted form of Tamogun. We have to

convert this corrupted form to its pure form, with the help of

Buddhi(Satogun) to guide us, & Mind(Rajogun)- Rajogun gives us passion

& keeness to continue struggling for God inspite of all problems.

 

love

Shantnu

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Please provide some references, on what is all these what you are

explaining based.

 

Mainly i want to know why person would die soon and burn if he had no

tamogun.

 

I am shocked.. may be some detailed science which my little mind does

not know.. Please explain.

 

 

Hey ram, hari ..

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

> Sudhakarji, many people think that " Satogun = Good " &

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> Mainly i want to know why person would die soon and burn if he had no

> tamogun.

 

Deitoji, when I say burn, I didnt mean literally! LOL!

 

If you tried working non stop without getting rest, soon you body

becomes weaker, till you collapse from exhaustion. This is called

" burnout " in modern science, & is on of main reasons for heart

attacks/depression in the modern materialitic world.

 

Sleep/rest is a way around this- you invite Tamogun over your body, so

it can recharge its battery.

 

Without this Tamogun, evreyone would keep working, till their body

could take it no longer & died.

 

But the rest we take, it isnt enough- as our body sleeps, but it

doesnt get charged with Pran, which is what sleep should do.

Meditating regularly helps this charging process.

Thats why Yogis can only sleep for only 4 hours, & still be more fresh

than rest of us.

 

But this is a completely different topic.

 

love,

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Shantanuji,

 

Thanks for your informative explanation.

 

Kind regards

 

Sudhakar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> > , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> > Tamo is tamasic therefore can tamoguna(tamasic) be nearest

> > to god. Can you please elaborate.

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

> You state " whereas the " " I " " is pure ego made of pure Tamoguna

> and is nearest to god " .

> Sato is satwik

> Rajo is rajasic

> Tamo is tamasic therefore can tamoguna(tamasic) be nearest

> to god. Can you please elaborate.

 

My dear sudhakar, shanracer gave a wonderful explanation. Mother

Nature (Prakriti) remains in equilibrium state where all the three

gunas are in balance.

 

with the sound of Aum, There is disturbance in Prakriti and all the

three gunas separate. Tam becomes Universal ego, Raj becomes mind

and sat become universal buddhi. our ego, mind and intelligence are

small parts of that universal ego mind and intelligence.

 

Tam guna in its purest form is INERTIA to keep a thing stable

Raj guna in its purest form is Action to move everything

Sat guna in its purest form is Light/knowledge.

 

 

God can be reached by exploring any of the gunas in their purest

form.

 

When we say Tamsic... it is tamoguna in its grossest form mixed with

other gunas and thus manifesting as Greed, laziness,

unconscious,Moha etc.

 

Since Ahankaar (ego ) is need to stabalise the creation... Nature

uses her pure Tam to manifest Ego...otherwise ego will not stay long

and would automatically merge into nature/god

 

Aum

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

Dear Aum,

 

Thanks for your lucid explanation. Atleast you will now agree

what I have been missing as i was not invited early into this

forum.

 

Best regards

 

Sudhakar

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Humble Obeisances to all! Ego- Complete eradication / killing of Ego (Aham) is

never possible. It is inseperable from astral body and all passions, emotions,

Sanskaras attached to 'soul'. It will always travel with the sould wherever it

will go in the form of Sanskaras. Rather try to change its direction. Instead of

allowing it to become fat horizontaly, direct it to rise up up to the heights of

heaven. Change the way of thinking through sadhana. Ask ego to aspire 'to become

His favourite' Turn ego towards constructive works, social work, service to

humanity. Make ego think " I will be the best devotee second to none! " rather

than thinking " I will become the richest one " . Expand ego to " I belong to

everybody around me " . Change it to " ours " instead of " mine " . This all comes

under sublimation of ego to higher plane, divine elevation which is possible

only through Sadhana. Here Gita Ch.2/71 comes to our help. He who has given up

all desires, and moves free from attachment,

egoism and thirst for enjoyment attains peace. To give up desires means to

shed away persistence / strong longing for worldly things.

 

, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

 

> Ok i have another doubt. Most saints tell us to kill Ego or

> ahankar. Is it not technically wrong? becasue if ego is killed our

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, keshav daund <keshav_daund

 

 

Dear Keshavji,

 

Namaskar! your write up on ego made an interesting reading though

I cannot make out this sentence : rather than thinking " I will

become the richest one " . Is there any harm in being rich and

spiritual... I know ... I know you will say even Jesus Christ said

rich man cannot enter the kingdom of heaven etc., etc., What about

king Janak - he was highly spiritual soul inspite of his kingly

duties. In recent times Mirabai was a princess and a queen though

her bhakti is legendary. Ofcourse her own spiritual master was

Saint Ravidas - the cobbler saint but in Mirabai's case or in King

Janak's case their richness never came in their way of achieving/

experiencing their spirituality. Most recently Osho has said a

rich man can meditate better than a poor man as he doesn't has to

worry about pending bills or from where the next meal is coming from

etc., etc., also he said a rich man can have nice rose garden

wherein the atmosphere will be conducive for meditation. He further

said a rich man can take break say every six months and go to a

resort and meditate with more carefree attitude. So why be against

richness if the person involved is clear about his/her spirituality?

Very recently another saint said: Being simple doesn't mean you

have to live in poverty.

Mein kuch jadda to nahin bola?

 

Regards

Sudhakar

 

Hari Om Tat Sat - Cheers! )

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

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> Very recently another saint said: Being simple doesn't mean you

> have to live in poverty.

> Sudhakar

 

Very True sudhakarji,

 

Resp Keshavji will explain the question you asked, but about

your last sentence, i have to add that this is so true... i will

further change it ....Being a Sadhaka doesnt mean you have to live

in poverty.

 

Many fake saints stress mainly upon leaving Moha Maya and teach

us to be away from money...and they themselves live in lavishly

kothis and enjoy rides in luxury cars.

 

Luxami is an important tool...and in Kaliyuga it is Goddess

luxmi who is ruling...hence all motivations in Kaliyuga are starting

from Money.

 

For a spiritual sadhaka, there is no need to shun Money, or hate

Goddess Luxmi. The only important thing is that the money is not

earned by illegal means, and that money has not been earned by

depriving other's share. Money earned through, bribery, over

profits, blackmailing, stealing etc... is like poison for a sadhaka.

 

A sadhaka should earn more and more money honestly and use the

money for the benefit of his family, and to help the needy...this

way luxmi becomes a powerful tool in spiritual progress.

 

When we started a group for doing Aum sadhna in delhi, all of us

were very poor, and were just making both ends meet.... years of

sadhna first brought luxmi to all those sadhakas and most of them

are well to do now...and continuing their journey.

 

 

Aum

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> A sadhaka should earn more and more money honestly and use the

> money for the benefit of his family, and to help the needy...this

> way luxmi becomes a powerful tool in spiritual progress.

 

True Babaji- money is like any other shakti- if you run after it, or

try to control it, it becomes like poison.

 

But like other Shaktis, one shouldnt ignore it either, as then only

the Asuras will gain control of the energy, & they will obviously

misuse it. This energy has to be controlled by Forces of Light, but

not for selfishness, but to help the Divine Plan.

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Revered Sudhakarji, Hari Om! 'I will become the richest one' my intention about

this sentense is just to run after collecting richness without enriching mental

and intellectual development. People strive to become rich, as is seen, but none

thinks 'I will become rich like maharaja Janak' like that I intended. Worldly

richness without mental and intelectual as well as richness of heart, is not

useful for others, unless intended by the collector. Hence I quoted like that.

If everu individual tries to become rich with Adhyatma as well as money

simultaneously, ot is like adding fragrance to the golden ornaments. It is

always welcome. Please forgive, if it carries sense of hatred about richness.

Sorry. Heartful regards. Keshav.

 

 

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Revered Aum, Humble Obeisances! Poverty - In our mother tongue - one poet has

condemned the poverty in such words that he thinks it is better to die once for

all as there is less pain than the poverty. Death kills once but poverty kills

at every step and stage. Sadhaka should be simple, as stated by you is very

correct. He should earn as sadhana with pure and pius heart and 100% efforts.

Sadhaka, when householder, should satisfy all primary requirements of dependants

neatly and sufficiently. When they are satisfied, they will spare sufficient

time to do sadhana quietly and happily moreover they will help in arrangements

of daily puja, some functions and all. Even God will not save the shirker in

this way. Here one thing is to be kept in mind that shadhaka is never alone.

Because of Satsang, Bhajan, some function like birth day of Guri, festival, etc.

he is always associated with his fellow sadhakas and society members. Hence,

sadhaka should maintain his financial position

so neatly that everyone associating with him is properly satisfied with at

least 'Prasadam' and for that his own earning is accepted by God as Naivadyam.

Let others contribute, if they desire, for decoration, flowers, fragrances,

canopys pendals and all. but for naivadyam, he should be more careful. This

gives more and more satisfaction to his mind and intellect that 'Oh God, because

of your grace I myself and all my friends and associates are getting this

prasadam'. Of course for this one has to keep away 'God's share' daily or

monthly, in a secret manner and at the time of fuction, festival or pooja, it is

to be utilised. As advised in Shreemad Bhagavad Gita Ch. 3/11-12-13 - " Foster

the gods through sacrifice and let the gods be gracious to you. Each fostering

other disinterestedly, you will attain the highest good. Fostered by sacrifice,

the gods will surely bestow on you unasked, all the desired enjoyments. He who

enjoys the gifts bestowed by them, without giving them

in return, is undoubtedly a thief. The virtuous who partake of what is left

over after sacrifice are absolved of all sins. Those sinful one who cllk for the

sake of nourishing their body alone eat only sin. " In general this is one of the

social obligations also. Sadhak is presumed as representative of God by common

ignorants. Hence it becomes his responsibility to satisfy those who associate

with him because of love and confidence in him. It is also expected from Sadhak

that 'Sadhaka established in the Self should not unsettle the mind of the

ignorant attached to actions (karmas), but shoud get them to perform all their

duties (sadhanas), duly performing his own duties in right(corret) manner to set

good example. Please forgive, if out of place and beyond my limits. Heartful

regards.

 

 

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> Revered Sudhakarji, Hari Om! 'I will become the richest one' my

 

Keshavji , a question arises- as soon as man becomes rich- his mind

goes corrupt- he forgets all about puja, & starts enjoying. As they

say, Luxmi rides an owl(in India, an unlucky animal).

 

How can a Sadhak ensure, even when he becomes well off, he doesnt

become complacent & forget about God?

 

love

Shantnu

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, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

>Dear Keshavji,

 

Ref. your posting, " please " there is absolutely no need to

say sorry. I hope I have not stirred hornet's nest in quizzing

on that because I agree with Aumji as he pointed out how

unscruplously gurus live in luxury while they make their chelas

(disciple) live in poverty.

 

My point was what harm is there if you could balance PRAPANCH

and PARMARTH? A true sadaka can never fall a prey to viles of

laxmi.

 

Kind regards

Sudhakar

 

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers ! )

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Shantnu,

 

I agree with you in toto that with the arrival of Laxmi majority

of the people do fall a prey to practically all the vices but a

sensible Sadhaka can never fall a prey to such vibes of Laxmi.

Laxmi by itself is not bad but the mind is the culprit. My aim

was if you could balance prapanch and parmarth why worry about

living in poverty etc., as many sadhakas do. This fact is aptly

put by Swami Samarth Ramadas guru of king Shivaji in his

Manache Slok wherein he states Prapanch karava netka magh laghave

parmarth viveka, prapanch soodoon parmarth karal thene tumi

kasti vahal - loosely translated from marathi language means you

should do your materialistic work properly and only then you should

attend to your spiritual work if you bypass materialistic and go

after only spiritual work you will be in trouble.

 

Kind regards

Sudhakar

 

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

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Sudhakarji, can you pls explain what these 2 words mean- PRAPANCH

and PARMARTH mean?

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Shanji,

 

Namaskar!

 

Re your query PRAPANCH means mundane, worldly, materialistic life

 

and PARMARTH means spiritual holy life devoted to God.

 

 

Hope that satisfies your query.

 

Warm regards

 

Sudhakar

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> Sudhakarji, can you pls explain what these 2 words mean- PRAPANCH

> and PARMARTH mean?

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I agree that money can corrupt... But so can spiritual power and the

" illusion " of being holy...

 

It depends on how concious we are of our thoughts and actions.

 

Take lord Subramanya at Palani....The son of Shiva.....

 

In the morning he is dressed up in princely attire... as the prince of the

world

 

In the evening you can see him in a Loins cloth with a stick in his hand

like a recluse....

 

So what is he ??? a prince or a recluse...???\

 

Neither.... he is the ultimate conciousness......

 

Similarly... am I rich or poor...???

Am I a sinner or a saint...???

 

Neither... I am that..Aham Brahmasmi....

 

Love

 

Bala...

 

 

On 9/22/07, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

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> Sudhakarji, can you pls explain what these 2 words mean- PRAPANCH

> and PARMARTH mean?

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I think if a sadhaka is earning money through legitimate means, not

greedy and is using his money properly... has less chances of being

corrupted by money.

 

Money earned by corrupt means, for greed...certainly leads to

corruption of the person... making him real owl.

 

If we keep Saraswati (wisdom) with us...and then earn money..

luxmi being younger sister of Saraswati...does not play havocs.

 

I remembered one sait telling a story. Narad asked Luxmi- Mother

you are so beautiful but tell me why you have a black spot on your

forehead and why your feet are black...whereas the other body is

golden.

 

Mother luxmi said - my feet are black...because most of humans

always rubbing their forehead on my feet requesting me to come to

their home....hence my feet became black due to billions and

billions people rubbing my feet.

 

and there is a black spot on my head due to touching my forehead

on the threshold of awakened bhaktas...to let me in their house.

 

 

AUM

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Revered Shantnu ji, Humble Obeisances! When sadhaka is cautious about his

progress in richness, he should keep in mind that 'I am getting this richness as

in instrument to do more and more sadhana, it is not for me, it is for all

associated with me in any relation, it's for us " . This his mind will not be

swayed away by any allurement or riches. Heartful Regards.

 

 

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